Talk:Nintendo DS/Archive 5

Camera Peripheral
Shouldn't the Accessories section mention the newly announced DS camera device? It's been on IGN for a little while now.

Erik 17:52, 5 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Well the problem is that we have very little information on the camera at present, beyond the fact it is going to be used for "Face Training" in Japan. Once it is released and some technical information can be gleaned from it (resolution, frames per second, dimensions, etc, etc), then we can put together a section that actually does the device justice. Jumping the gun and putting in a section that basically says, "There is a camera for the DS, and one game that is not released yet is said to somehow use it." does not really help anyone from an informational standpoint. MS3FGX 11:18, 6 July 2007 (UTC)

Missing specifications
I see some general archetecture details and graphics specs. I note that it lacks any details on the sound engine & think it should be added if its available.RCHM 06:22, 25 February 2007 (UTC)

Sixth or Seventh Generation?
This page says the Nintendo DS is of the sixth generation, while other pages say it is the beginning of the seventh generation for handheld systems. Can someone please clarify? DarthMichigan 21:46, 6 April 2007 (UTC)


 * I would say it is the seventh generation, but only because handheld gaming started after console gaming and not because it has graphics comparable to seventh-generation consoles (It's closer to 5.5). The generations would be as follows (referencing mostly Nintendo handhelds):


 * 1) LED games (such as Mattel Auto Race)
 * 2) Game-and-watch style LCD
 * 3) Microvision
 * 4) Game Boy (& competition)
 * 5) Game Boy Color
 * 6) Game Boy Advance
 * 7) Nintendo DS (& PSP)
 * -- trlkly 08:49, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

Pricing history
Is there a point to this section? Was there anything unfair or otherwise notable about pricing differences in different countries? Why no listing of MSRP vs. "street" pricing? I see mention of price drops in Talk, but not in the article in this section. --Lexein 00:19, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

Original Nintendo DS
It's an original Nintendo DS in the picture ok?, stop changing it back to just Nintendo DS, this describes the picture better.....end of discussion —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 203.129.39.248 (talk • contribs).
 * This article is about Nintendo DS, therefore it is obvious. Changing it back and telling people "end of discussion" may help in other contexts, but not here. -- ReyBrujo 12:24, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

It's to help idiots see the difference, btw I don't see the Nintendo DS Lite page saying just Nintendo DS. I really don't see the problem with "An Original Silver Nintendo DS", It describes the picture better. It's not just a heading it's a picture description, and "Nintendo DS" just dosen't cut it in my books. --203.129.39.248 07:08, 24 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Huh?
 * No. The DS Lite articles doesn't just say, "Nintendo DS". It says "Nintendo DS Lite". Note that it doesn't say, "New Nintendo DS", or any other such nonsense. It's simple. There are two products: Nintendo DS, and Nintendo DS Lite. Adding, "An Original Silver" in front isn't going to help anybody, let alone "idiots". What's more, though articles should be accessible, they shouldn't be written specifically for "idiots" anyways.
 * Let me ask you this: With the current phrasing of "Nintendo DS", are you confused? Could you honestly see any rational person being confused, simply because it's labelled in the most precisely accurate way possible? If you aren't confused, and you can't see a rational person of normal intelligence being confused, then there's nothing to discuss. If you are confused, then I can't help you. If you think someone else would be confused by something as simple as referring to a product by its proper name, then I'd like you to explain how adding those extra words could possibly help them in the slightest. In the meantime, you don't have consensus, so please refrain from making the change again. Bladestorm 15:19, 24 May 2007 (UTC)

why don't we just put a picture of the new ds up as the main one. having the old one, that isn't even made anymore, as the first picture people see when they come here is pretty dumb... 86.135.164.200 15:51, 24 August 2007 (UTC)
 * The reason for keeping the picture of the old Nintendo DS is because there is a separate article for the Nintendo DS Lite.--kenobi.zero 16:30, 25 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Changing the image of the DS in this article to a DS Lite, would be similar to changing the image of the original GBA at the Game Boy Advance article to a Game Boy Advance Micro image, which wouldn't make any sense. --Silver Edge 23:15, 25 August 2007 (UTC)

Strange Trivia
Why is it trivia that the DS has an alarm clock feature? I don't think it's trivia, but maybe I'm wrong. rct2guy 01:17, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

About the name
Maybe it could be interresting to say about the name that "DS" is pronounced "goddess" (déesse) in french (and that "WII" sounds like "yes" (oui) in french)

Input and Output
Whoever mentioned Bionicle Heroes DS gets a cookie. -- Rabin 17:51, 24 May 2007 (UTC)

Typo
I fixed a typo. I changed "# January 5, 2006 - Nintendo issued a formal apology after the Nintendo DS sold out throughout Japan,[30] as no Nintendo system had ever sold out in Japan before.[31]" to "# "January 5, 2006 - Nintendo issued a formal apology after the Nintendo DS sold out throughout Japan,[30] as no Nintendo system had ever sold out in Japan before.[31]"# "Ever" has been changed to "never."


 * That would have been improper grammar. In English, two negatives make a positive.-- trlkly 08:55, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

WiFi
Does the DS require an attachment for WiFi? 67.188.172.165 23:59, 20 June 2007 (UTC)
 * No, you just need an access point generated by a wifi router or the little Nintendo dongle. The console, as stated in the article, can handle wifi by itself. -- ReyBrujo 01:52, 21 June 2007 (UTC)

Specifics on polygons
Can the polygon count be changed from 2048 to a better estimate of 4094 since the DS is limited by 6144 vertices and a better equation would be ((v)/3-1)*2 since each additional poly can only take up 1 extra vertex? 68.167.66.215 19:34, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

REMOVE note about homebrew and commercial games?
This is why large console manufacturers don't endorse homebrew: it opens the door to pirating of commercial games. So why mention it (and put some emphasis on it) in the main Nintendo DS article on Wikipedia? I wouldn't mind keeping it in the Nintendo DS Homebrew article, though. --Coolbho3000 01:17, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
 * While although endorsement of homebrew isn't really relevant (we don't, and shouldn't, cater to the desires of companies), I still don't think it really fits here. Especially the euphamisms that people use to pretend they aren't pirating.
 * "...can run the vast majority of homebrew applications, as well as backups of commercial titles (with very few errors)."???
 * Oh please. These "backups" are pirated games. There's no justification for using a euphamism. And "with very few errors"? Says who?
 * What's more, the section doesn't make any attempt to establish that even a remotely significant portion of the 40+ million DS's (and lites) run 'homebrew' or 'backup' software at all. That means the content is relevant to Nintendo DS homebrew, but there's no proof it's at all relevant to the DS itself. (That is, the DS is obviously relevant to DS homebrew, but not vice versa) Bladestorm 14:31, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

Already done. Removed it today. Sorry guys, but homebrew is illegal.--Bllasae (talk) 22:50, 21 December 2007 (UTC)


 * Sorry but my OCD can't let this get by. I assume you meant to say "piracy is illegal". Homebrew is simply designing your own programs. I assume the previous statement alluded to piracy, (and I don't care enough to check) so I do agree it shouldn't have been included.
 * -- trlkly 08:23, 27 January 2008 (UTC)


 * It seems to me that homebrew is perfectly legal and allows you to run games which would be impossible to release through the usual channels. For example, ScummVM is only available on DS through the use of homebrew and it's an excellent free open source program. Sure some people may pirate games through homebrew, but I myself run the affomentioned ScummVM through a homebrew cartridge and I've never pirated a Nintendo DS game. I don't see how doing what I am doing could be described as criminal. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jackster (talk • contribs) 18:52, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

DS Download and WPA
The list of DS download stations either needs to be deleted or updated, I have now used them at Best Buy and according to IGN a few months ago they are now being placed in some airport terminals as well. Also I think something needs to be said about it not being WPA compatible, this is stated in the WiFi Connection page but it really belongs on this page as well. Sir hugo 13:31, 27 June 2007 (UTC)
 * I think updating the DS download stations is a good idea.
 * As far as the WPA thing is concerned, I'm not sure that's as appropriate. It certainly is relevant to the DS itself, however... Saying what a system can't do borders slightly on OR. More specifically, if there isn't a source to assert that a lacking feature should be there, but isn't, then saying it isn't there, at the very least, seems like something you'd want to avoid. That said, I don't think it'd be very hard for you to find some good reliable, verifiable sources of people criticizing the lack of WPA encryption. So, my advice is to actually find those sources first, and then worry about how to work it into the article. Bladestorm 14:36, 27 June 2007 (UTC)


 * I would have to agree. You could list thousands of features that the DS, or any other device, does not have; but what would be the point of that? Granted it could be considered a criticism of the hardware, but honestly, so few people even take the time to properly configure their WiFi networks that I would say 80% - 90% of DS owners are not even aware that it lacks WPA support (or even know what WPA is, for that matter). Still, that would be the best angle to take for inclusion. MS3FGX 13:35, 28 June 2007 (UTC)


 * I see the point of not listing features that someone feels the DS should have. On the other hand, the lack of WPA support is a crippling ommission.  The older WEP encryption standard was malformed and is completely useless in terms of providing anything more than the appearance of security.  And yet Nintendo is actually recommending that home users switch their wireless routers from strong WPA security to WEP so that their DS will work.  It's like asking people to please leave their doors unlocked at night.  It's surprising to me that the article wouldn't even mention this limitation.  It almost smacks of purposefully hiding the issue.  I've editted the article to list that the DS supports WEP encryption only.  Unless anyone objects to listing what the DS actually does do? 98.207.134.67 (talk) 02:33, 12 April 2008 (UTC)


 * The article specifically states that the DS is "compatible with WEP encryption support only". Thus, by simple common sense, the DS is not compatible with WPA encryption. As was already discussed months ago, there is no reason why the article should list features the DS doesn't have. -Zomic13 (talk) 05:16, 12 April 2008 (UTC)

Pictochat
The range seriously can go to 300 ft. can it? I know this is a lie because I have one and it can go maybe 15 feet.


 * The range depends on a number of factors; antenna orientation, background interference, physical obstacles, etc, etc. 300 is certainly on the high side of the spectrum and should not be considered an average, but then 15 feet is only a fraction of the range you should be getting as well. If your range is that short, I would suspect one of the DS's may be damaged (I.E. the antenna lead has been pinched inside of the case).MS3FGX 05:41, 8 July 2007 (UTC)

It's says 30 feet in the manual. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 198.212.176.2 (talk) 15:22, 18 September 2007 (UTC)

Startup tone
I don't know if this has been discussed or noticed before, but I just found out that the chime that plays when the system is turned on is different when you turn the DS on during the day of the user's birthday. Granted the user has inputed his/her birthday. I don't suppose this would be of any importance, would it? - Saturn Yoshi  THE VOICES 05:18, 18 July 2007 (UTC)


 * This is a fairly well known easter egg in the DS firmware. In addition, if you go into PictoChat on your birthday, a birthday message will be broadcast to all people in the channel as well as a sound (there may even be a small image of a cake, if I am recalling correctly). Some games also contain special messages based on the date, such as "Feel the Magic" (it has messages for your birthday, Christmas, and New Years, at the very least). As for it being added to the page, it is a nice bit of trivia certainly, but I don't know if it is really worthy to be added on it's own. Perhaps if there were a few more easter eggs in the firmware they could all be listed, but that is the only one as far as I remember. MS3FGX 12:11, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

Colors
Is there a list of colors that the DS comes in on the page??? Supra Skateboards 18:47, 3 August 2007 (UTC)


 * DS colors can be found in the Marketing and sales section. --Silver Edge 05:49, 6 August 2007 (UTC)

It should be noted that you can now get the crimson colored DS without getting the bundle. I picked up a crimson DS lite over the weekend from a local wal-mart. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.178.223.30 (talk) 14:42, 8 October 2007 (UTC)

Repeat
"Games use a proprietary solid state ROM "Game Card" format resembling the memory cards used in other portable electronic devices such as digital cameras. It currently supports cards up to 2 gigabit[17] in size. The cards always have a small amount of flash memory or an EEPROM to save user data, for example progress in a game or high scores. The game cards are 33.0 × 35.0 × 3.8 mm, and weigh around 3.5 g (1/8 ounces)."

This is mentioned twice in this article. how come nobody changed it? fixing it. 172.132.6.74 14:47, 18 August 2007 (UTC)

PS. sorry for above, forgot to add subject name.

card specs are mentioned twice two. fixing that too.172.132.6.74 14:52, 18 August 2007 (UTC)

Now It looks better> 172.131.141.6 13:30, 19 August 2007 (UTC)

gap
There is a huge Trivia gap. someone fix please. 172.132.6.74 14:57, 18 August 2007 (UTC)

Table of Sales
Does that table include the sales for the DS and DS Lite combined or just sales of the original DS? I think that might need to be made clear on the article Admuz 18:13, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

Featured Article Status
Nintendo DS should be a featured article! It was rated a while ago and wasn't quite there, but it deserves to reach that status.

So what do we need to do to this article to reach Featured Article status. I'd certainly love to spend a little time working on this article to try and improve it. I will do a copy edit and look for changes to make starting tomorrow.

Does anyone have any suggestions, comments, or tips? Anyone else want to help work towards this goal? Let's make this happen. Zomic_13 05:10, 19 September 2007 (UTC)

External links junk
why is there random junk in the external links? --71.170.1.101 00:22, 30 September 2007 (UTC)

New Info Reports DS Sales at 50 million
[|//www.tech.co.uk/home-entertainment/gaming/handhelds/news/nintendo-ds-shoots-past-50-million-mark?articleid=346391286&source=rss] —Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.83.144.234 (talk) 23:43, 1 October 2007 (UTC)

Nomination for Featured Article Status
I have nominated this article for Featured Article status. If you have an comments, feedback, or suggestions, please leave them on this page: FA Nomination Comments Thanks! -Zomic13 05:50, 4 October 2007 (UTC)

Need Help Finding a Source
The following line is from the DS Lite section. It needs a source. Please help me find one. Thanks! -Zomic13 20:31, 4 October 2007 (UTC)

"It was made aesthetically sleeker to complement Nintendo's Wii and to appeal to broader commercial audiences."


 * If you still need a source for this, I can help look for it. I haven't found a site yet that has said something quite like that, but I did see something vaguely like it. It probably wasn't close enough to be used as a source though. --Filovirus 09:36, 20 October 2007 (UTC)


 * To clarify the above comment, I meant the "complimenting the Wii part". I think I've found a source for the "appealing to a broader audience" part, just want to make sure it works. --Filovirus 09:48, 20 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Alright, how does this sound? (more specifically the fourth paragraph)


 * It doesn't explicitly say that Nintendo designed it with "appealing to a broader audience" in mind, but it certainly seems to be implying that, and I don't see why else they would have made the lite. What do you think? --Filovirus 10:01, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

Something doesn't make sense
In the "Special editions and promotional packages" section, second paragraph, this sentance:

"Also download info from kiosks located in Disneyland."

does not make sense. I'd fix it, but I don't really know what it's supposed to be saying. Is it supposed to say something like this?

"People could also download information about this product from kiosks located in Disneyland."

--Filovirus 23:15, 21 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Alright, I'm removing this. If you must put it back in, please reword it. --Filovirus 04:31, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

Nintendo DS in the news regarding piracy raid
I am uncertain if this should be in this article for for the Nintendo DS homebrew, but seeing as the latter is falling short of Wiki-standards, I felt perhaps it would be of more use here.

In Singapore's The Straits Times, Friday, November 16, 2007, page 23 of the Home section.

6 Sim Lim Square shops raided for piracy

They allegedly sold devices that allow Nintendo consoles to play pirated games By Chua Hian Hou

Six shops in popular IT haunt Sim Lim Square were raided yesterday for allegedly peddling devices which allow users to download and play pirated games on their Nintendo DS handheld consoles.

More than 200 of these devices, which have been sold by game and game-console retailers there for about $40 each (SGD), were seized during the raid by the police, working with video game industry watchdog Entertainment Software Association (ESA).

The United States-based anti-piracy body's members include some of the world's biggest video game companies such as Electronic Arts, Vivendi Games and Square Enix. These firms produce popular titles such as World of Warcraft and Final Fantasy.

The raid marks the ESA's first action here, although it has been active in other countries in the region.

Its spokesman Cyril Chua said two versions of the piracy-enabling device were found: One contains a built-in storage capacity for holding the games, the other reads stored games from off-the- shelf micro-SD storage cards. Such cards are also used in devices such as mobile phones and digital cameras to store data, and each 2GB capacity card can hold about 18 games.

Also seized were two computers with pirated games and 19 micro-SD cards with pirated games pre- loaded onto them.

Until now, software busts here have been undertaken by the police, individual video game companies such as Sony, or the Business Software Alliance, which represents giants such as Microsoft and Adobe.

Mr Chua, an intellectual property lawyer, said that such devices are illegal under the Singapore Copyright Act as they 'circumvent' technological measures that protect copyrighted works. The device does this by fooling the game system into thinking it is an original game cartridge.

No arrests were made during the raid, but anyone convicted of peddling these devices faces penalties of up to $20,000 in fines and two years' jail.

This haul follows last month's police seizure of more than half a million dollars of pirated movies and games, the year's biggest haul of pirated goods.

chuahh@sph.com.sg

What I believe this article can be used for: Jappalang (talk) 00:16, 18 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Confirmation of Nintendo being vulnerable to piracy, with regards to use of SLOT-1 devices
 * Singaporean viewpoint on legality of SLOT-1 devices
 * Additional material to broaden regional focus of article

First of all, this is too long. Second, this is nothing to put in the article. --Chykka207 (talk) 18:01, 6 January 2008 (UTC)


 * Yeah, it is too long, so don't put it directly in the article. I think your points might be useful on the Nintendo DS homebrew page, in order to help improve the state of the article. It may not be a quality article yet, but I don't think there's much risk of it being deleted entirely, as the subject is an offshoot of this article and is considered notable enough that no AfD's have been even brought up. -- trlkly 20:44, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

Can I replace my old ds with a new ds?
Can I replace my broken ds (The frist ds that came out)with a new ds lite?The only problem with it is the bottom screen is broken.Is there a store in Connecticut were I can replace my broken ds? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.2.131.81 (talk) 19:25, 5 December 2007 (UTC)


 * First off, go directly to Nintendo. It may still be under warranty. Second, Wikipedia is not a forum/discussion board. So please refrain from posting comments like this in the future. The talk page for an article is to debate the pieces of an article and whether or not something belongs in it. sdgjake (talk) 19:37, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

I'm almost positive that the limited warranty doesn't cover broken screens, and yes, this is not a forum/discussion board. Go ahead and replace the DS, it's not up to us, it's up to you.

Backwards compatible?
There is zero mention of the backward compatibility of the DS, despite it being used as an example in the article for backward compatibility --199.246.40.54 (talk) 20:22, 17 December 2007 (UTC)


 * See the Compatibility section. --Silver Edge (talk) 04:39, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

Possible Trivia
Have you noticed that pokemon games have been the top selling non-bundled video games for Nintendo until the Nintendo DS? Just wondering if we could put it there. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Zeroa16 (talk • contribs) 05:40, 29 December 2007 (UTC)

If you have a source, you can, but put it into an existing section of the article. Do NOT create a separate Trivia section (see WP:TRIVIA), as they are discouraged under Wikipedia's guidelines. --Chykka207 (talk) 17:56, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

Fair use rationale for Image:Nintendo DS Game Card.PNG
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Pressure-Sensitive Touchscreen?
The hardware description reads "The lower display of the Nintendo DS is overlaid with a pressure-sensitive touchscreen". Is it? This is the first I've read of this info, and nowhere with Nintendo's description does it mention pressure sensitive.--AlphaTwo (talk) 14:53, 9 January 2008 (UTC)


 * I believe it's mentioned in the instruction booklet that comes with the DS -- Antonio Lopez (talk) 15:16, 9 January 2008 (UTC)


 * I think you're misunderstanding the sentence; to my knowledge, the screen is not "pressure-sensitive" in the sense that it can detect varying degrees of pressure. It is pressure-sensitive in the sense that it can detect any pressure at all, and use it to determine where you're making contact with the screen.  That said, "pressure-sensitive touch screen" seems a bit redundant. (In any case, don't go breaking your DS trying to press harder than you need to -- it won't help!) STLocutus (talk) 18:55, 4 February 2008 (UTC)
 * It's pressure sensitive. For those of us who can use homebrew on the DS, there is an application called Colors that makes use of the feature. If you don't have it, I remember hearing that in Metroid Pinball or Metroid Prime: Hunters that when you very lightly touch a menu button it'll hi-light, but not select it. It'd be nice to have an official referenced source though. 99.153.0.114 (talk) 06:39, 16 February 2008 (UTC)


 * I've removed it for now. Unless we can find a source that specifically states that it is pressure-sensitive (as in it can detect various degrees of pressure against it) I think it should be left out. -Zomic13 (talk) 22:45, 17 February 2008 (UTC)

January 08 sales figures?
Since it's already February could somebody translate Nintendo's January 2008 investors relation (Japanese) pdf? since Nintendo makes sales figures public (in Japanese, at least) it would be good to add the sales figures to the respective Nintendo wiki's... i mean they released it on jan 25th already... shouldn't take 3 weeks to translate an 11 page pdf, not if people online can sub a 30 minute anime overnight.

thanks Kesuki (talk) 03:35, 14 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Just add an "e" to the end of it to get the English version, so http://www.nintendo.co.jp/ir/pdf/2008/080125.pdf becomes http://www.nintendo.co.jp/ir/pdf/2008/080125e.pdf. Also it is already being used as a reference in the articles of the video games listed. --Silver Edge (talk) 04:07, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

Regular Gameboy Games on DS
Everyone says GBA games work on a DS, what about regular Gameboy games? 76.10.182.41 (talk) 23:29, 27 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Regular Game Boy games do not work. They are shaped a little differently (and I'm not referring to the fact they are also twice the height of a GBA cart), so they do not fit in the slot. -Zomic13 (talk) 00:32, 28 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Not to mention they run at a different voltage (5v vs 3v). Nintendo shaped them differently to keep you from damaging your cartridges. I read once that Nintendo tried to add software support for the old games, but the different voltages kept that from working out in an economic manner. Still, I'm not sure this information is useful to the article. -- trlkly 20:01, 11 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Are you sure about that? How come the GBA was able to play regular Game Boy games then? -Zomic13 (talk) 16:17, 23 April 2008 (UTC)
 * It seems to me that they dropped Gameboy compatiblity simply to reduce costs and complexity (the GBA needed an old Gameboy processor to run that system's games). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.82.9.79 (talk) 07:29, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

850 mAh
I get that you want a source for the 850mAh battery. But there is no point in being redundant. We only have to source a comment the first time it appears, so there's no point in adding two tags. I'll see if I can find a source.

-- trlkly 20:04, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

WiFi Griefing
I can't log into nintendo WiFi on my old DS, and I heard a rumour that Wifi servers have been shut down for the old DS. Is this true? Racooon (talk) 08:49, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Other than cosmetic differences, there is absolutely no difference between the DS and DS Lite. They are the same system and there would be no way for Nintendo to stop supporting Wi-Fi for one of the systems. So to answer you question more directly: absolutely not. -Zomic13 (talk) 16:16, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

I need more info than that. Sorry. I still can't log in to WiFi from any WiFi source, and neither can one of my friends. If someone who owns an original DS can dispel my fears I'd be grateful. Racooon (talk) 08:38, 30 April 2008 (UTC)
 * I own an original DS, Wi-Fi works fine. Did you change the settings in your DS for the Wi-Fi network you are trying to connect to? Is the network password protected? This is an issue to take to, not here. I can try to help you, if you bring this to my talk page. Either way though, you are going to have to provide more details than just "I can't connect". -Zomic13 (talk) 17:02, 30 April 2008 (UTC)
 * I would like to point out that Wikipeia is not a forum and this conversation steps over that line. Bam123456789 (talk) 16:01, 6 May 2008 (UTC)


 * I can't find the link. Bam123456789 (talk) 16:06, 6 May 2008 (UTC)
 * You're looking for WP:Forum, which is why I said "This is an issue to take to, not here". -Zomic13 (talk) 17:10, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

Updated Sales
i'm sorry but i have noticed that the psp sales were just updated to 21 million copies or something (these are the sales of the psp to date... 2008) but the ds sales have not been updated since 2007... i mean since the ds sales went from 53 million to 65 million in just 3 months sholdn't its total sales have reached 80-85 million units by April 2008? i dunno, i think that we should update its sales immidiently.. Isn't there any source that provides the updated DS sales??


 * New official sales figures are released every three months. New ones are due out in just a few days, actually. Also, the PSP is made by Sony whereas the DS is made by Nintendo so just because new sales figures are available doesn't mean sales for the other are also available. -Zomic13 (talk) 17:42, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
 * New sales figures are up. 70.6 million DS to date. English pdf MahangaTalk 07:30, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

Touch! Generations Featured Topic Proposal
Well, it's not a Featured Topic of course, but I think a topic would be great. A lot of great articles exist under the Touch! Generations label, and I would like to see them featured. Anyone interested? If so, here's a list of articles that will need to be featured/GA'd:


 * 1) Tetris DS
 * 2) Nintendogs
 * 3) Master of Illusion
 * 4) Magnetica
 * 5) Big Brain Academy
 * 6) Brain Age: Train Your Brain in Minutes a Day!
 * 7) Brain Age 2: More Training in Minutes a Day!
 * 8) English Training: Have Fun Improving Your Skills!
 * 9) Clubhouse Games
 * 10) Flash Focus: Vision Training in Minutes a Day
 * 11) Electroplankton
 * 12) Elite Beat Agents
 * 13) Planet Puzzle League
 * 14) Sudoku Gridmaster
 * 15) True Swing Golf
 * 16) Big Brain Academy: Wii Degree
 * 17) Endless Ocean
 * 18) Wii Fit
 * 19) Professor Kageyama's Maths Training: The Hundred Cell Calculation Method
 * 20) Wii Chess
 * 21) Wii Sports (which is already FA'd!)
 * 22) List of Touch! Generations titles
 * 23) Touch! Generations
 * 24) Crosswords DS - A Link to the Past (talk) 17:40, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

Keep An Eye On This Article Until June 1st
This article is one source of information for a quiz contest on another website that is ongoing until the end of may, and as such it has already been vandalized once to reflect incorrect information in order to give people the wrong answers. Anyone that watches this page might want to keep a closer eye on it than for the next few weeks to ensure that there isn't more vandalism than usual. 69.244.177.252 (talk) 06:02, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

I just deleted a piece of vandalism under the heading "Hardware." --Soviet689 (talk) 02:26, 21 October 2008 (UTC)

Game Boy Color games
Why can't the DS play these? I thought it would, but I was disappointed when it didn't work... 206.117.150.6 (talk) 18:48, 7 June 2008 (UTC)
 * I guess they thought the batteries in the carts would have run out by now. Hopefully we'll see something like a virtual console at this year's E3(Fossilgojira (talk) 22:53, 7 June 2008 (UTC))
 * it is too big yes 24.184.206.83 (talk) 21:54, 29 June 2008 (UTC)
 * It lacks the Z80 CPU found in the Game boy ColorMissingno255 (talk) 05:02, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

wireless?
I remember reading somewhere that the DS had a separate proprietary built in wireless chip that currently had no function in addition to the wifi. anyone know anything about this? i cant see anything on it in the article --UltraMagnus (talk) 19:38, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

Download Play games list?
Would creating a list of Wi-fi or Download Play games be unnecessary? It's difficult to find a full list outside of forums, and I would come to Wikipedia first to find a well updated listing, if it existed. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.154.250.228 (talk) 10:16, 16 July 2008 (UTC)
 * A list of "Download Play games" existed at one point, but was deleted via Articles for deletion/List of Nintendo DS downloadable games. --Silver Edge (talk) 17:52, 16 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Hm, thanks. It sounds like the voters were either confused or against the articles creators, rather than its content.. Thats unusual, because they all recognize that similar lists exist. Is there any chance of the case being reopened? They mention other game sites hosting this info, but there are none. 13:28, 20 July 2008 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.154.197.220 (talk)
 * See Deletion review if you would like to restore that deleted article. --Silver Edge (talk) 09:33, 10 September 2008 (UTC)

I don't entirely understand this passage.
Hello. I don't entirely understand this part: "In South Korea, many video game consumers exploit game software copies of video game consoles, including the Nintendo DS. In 2007, 500,000 copies of DS games were sold, while the sales of the DS hardware units was 800,000." It's probably just me, but is there something even a little bit confusing about that? I couldn't even tell from the reference, because it's in another language. 209.90.134.118 (talk) 04:25, 10 September 2008 (UTC)
 * I rewrote the first sentence, since it was confusing. Is it better now? See this for a translated version of the reference. --Silver Edge (talk) 09:26, 10 September 2008 (UTC)

New DS
According to Nikkei.net, the website of Japan's leading business newspaper, a new Nintendo DS model is in the works. See here... A Pokemon Fansite, PokeBeach, translated the article and ourlines it, so check it for a translation... ~m190049 (talk) 01:37, 29 September 2008 (UTC)

ds.ign.com has a spec list from the official Nintendo DSi website which I'm sure will be useful for citations. Why not make a whole new article for teh DSi? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.22.91.186 (talk) 10:05, 2 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Details are forthcoming. The San Francisco conference might shed some light. Tomorrow there will be plenty of sources. It's best to wait until all the claims can be supported is all. --Thaddius (talk) 14:42, 2 October 2008 (UTC)

Nintendo DSi
The Nintendo DSi should become a seperate article after Oct 3rd because most of the system specs will be available by then. 12:08 EST October 2nd 2008 Gursagar Sekhon
 * Will somebody check back on the camera resolutions? i heard 3MP on the exterior and .3MP on the interior.Firehazel (talk) 23:08, 2 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Most of the system specs are currently available. -Zomic13 (talk) 13:19, 3 October 2008 (UTC)

Split proposal
Since there has been a recurring issue of this article being for both Nintendo DS platform in general as well as the original model specifically (most recently with Wjs13's attempt at a Nintendo DS range page), I figured that perhaps it would be worth discussing a split of "DS Phat" material into a separate article. This article has been in need of a good cleanup for quite some time, and think this would provide a good opportunity to trim things down and tighten the focus. Dancter (talk) 20:23, 4 October 2008 (UTC)
 * While I agree that a cleanup is needed, I'm not sure that a separate page for the original iteration is needed. I'm afraid that that page would simply a rehash of this very page. I do have a suggestion though: if this goes through, I think we should move the Nintendo DS overview page to Nintendo DS line (like the Game Boy line article) and move the description of the original DS to Nintendo DS. --Thaddius (talk) 14:50, 6 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Your link is malformed. Therefore it is fail. 98.226.32.129 (talk) 03:33, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

In order to decide this I think we should use Game Boy as an example. Currently the article Game Boy is about the original system. The article Game Boy line discusses all of them. I think this is how the article should be split (if it were to be split), with "Nintendo DS" being the original system and "Nintendo DS line" covering all three. However, since we're still in the first generation of Nintendo DS systems, I'm not sure if it is worth it to split yet. For example, Game Boy Advance is very similar to the current Nintendo DS article. It would be a matter of whether people felt the Nintendo DSi was different enough to warrant being considered a "third pillar" as Nintendo has suggested. It might. -Zomic13 (talk)03:16, 12 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Sorry to go off-topic, but Nintendo never called the DSi a "third pillar", they referred to it as "the third model of the Nintendo DS platform". Rhonin the wizard (talk) 06:10, 12 October 2008 (UTC)
 * A lot of the live reports used the term "third pillar" at the time. -Zomic13 (talk) 03:52, 21 October 2008 (UTC)

DS, DS lite, and DSi all play the same DS carts. That's like making the PS3 and PS3 Slim two different articles. Make a new page when the Nintendo DS 2 comes out with better graphics and totally different carts —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.167.142.147 (talk) 13:16, 1 December 2009 (UTC)

Newer Sales Information?
Do we have any more recent sales information? The 'units sold' number is about 4 months old. 142.68.223.93 (talk) 19:53, 24 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Nintendo releases sales data every quarter (three months). The next release is due one week from today (next Friday). Zomic13 (talk) 20:03, 24 October 2008 (UTC)

Listing every thing it CAN'T emulate is just not a good idea
Not at all 'more precise' "the DS cannot emulate Nintendo 64, Playstation, PS2, Dreamcast, Gamecube, Xbox, Playstation 3, Nintendo Wii or Xbox 360"

It also can't emulate GBA, and a dozen other things. I'll go add them all. 76.236.181.243 (talk) 05:10, 23 November 2008 (UTC)

Can Gameboy games be played on the DS? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.168.197.83 (talk) 01:06, 30 March 2009 (UTC) Yes, through the use of a flashcart, ROMs, and an emulator Kasm279 (talk) 00:19, 14 August 2011 (UTC)

No mention of "counterfeit" consoles
The UK press today is carrying stories about fake Nintendo consoles, e.g.. Surprised to find no mention here of what is presumably an established "issue". Nick Cooper (talk) 14:06, 5 December 2008 (UTC)

Critical reception
Might be redundant in many people's opinion, but I think a lot of readers of this page would look for such a thing. If anyone wants to write about it, I personally think it would be a goood addition to the article. Sle (talk) 13:12, 24 December 2008 (UTC)
 * I second that. The DS is the only mainstream game system without a critical analysis by reviewers. Sure, it has the developer's feelings of it, but I'd like tp see the analysis of experts. --Arathun (talk) 20:40, 20 November 2010 (UTC)

Nonsense unit
The page currently says the DS is "capable of rendering about 120,000 triangles per second at 60 frames per second". I shouldn't have to explain why this is ambiguous. It either renders 120,000 triangles at 60 frames per second or 120,000 triangles per second; obviously the latter since the N64 does about 100K a second. Sadly the source link seems to be down and all over the internet the number is quoted with the same ambiguous unit. For now I'll just drop the "at 60 frames per second". (edit) Actually, scratch that. The 60 FPS thing is explained below. Still I think the article is clearer with just the explanation since "X triangles per second at X FPS per second" is just odd. 145.99.155.53 (talk) 14:08, 24 January 2009 (UTC)

Controversy and criticism section
I've added a section on this article about controversy and criticism. I know it has no citation (because I don't know where to find it), but I know it's true. Besides, without this section, I find the article to be largely unneutral, so please, instead of removing the section, just cite what I already know is true.Wikieditor1988 (talk) 15:46, 25 March 2009 (UTC)


 * Just wanted to explain my reasons for deleting the "Controversy and criticism" section. Besides not citing any information whatsoever, it made heavy use of weasel words (e.g. "many naysayers"), and made huge generalizations ("The DS, like any pop culture phenomenon, has been the subject of as much criticism as it has acclaim"). It's also tough to find references for information that is just plain wrong (saying the holiday season of 2004 was "slow" for instance – it sold close to 2 million units right off the bat)! I think there can certainly be a balanced and well cited criticism section here, but this is not the way to start one. Aibara (talk) 16:41, 25 March 2009 (UTC)


 * How is that "huge generalization" any more than common knowledge? Also, when I said that the holiday season was "slow," I meant its software titles were coming out rather slow.  I guess I should have specified that, and I apologize for that.


 * Anyway, this is not just a matter of whether there can be a well balanced and well cited criticism section; it's a matter of whether or not there should be one. Without it, this entire article is way too neutral; I've read most of the article, and it seems to be praising the DS more than anything, like most of the contributors are Nintendo fanboys.  A criticism section is necessary, otherwise you may as well sell this article on an infomercial (meaning it has poor, exaggerated quality).  Delete my section, but please, replace it with your own.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Wikieditor1988 (talk • contribs) 16:50, 25 March 2009 (UTC)

Lack of citations
There are several whole sections, and several parts within sections, that do not have references. This problem has been flagged up for a long time. I will not remove these sections for now, but I do intend to revisit the article later; if the references are not in place, then the sections will be removed. 01:29, 3 April 2009 (UTC)

Please add some more information about the architecture
It mentions that the 3D rendering is done by a chip with separate software and data memory. Is the software memory for this chip ROM? And why is the triangle count limited? Does it use some kind of raytracing, or does it render in two or more phases, requireing all triangle data to stay in memory? If it is the last, why didn't the developers make it possible for the application running to resend the triangle data? And what does the DS architecture look like from a software point of view? What does a typical game to on startup, on render, when saving or loading games, etc? 82.139.87.235 (talk) 18:53, 3 April 2009 (UTC)

R4. Nothing here about the R4DS - not even a link
Which is ubiquitous in some parts of the world, if not the USA. R4 is the brand name for a microSD/USB flash memory adapter for the DS.

Apart from that, what I was actually after was some information about the memory card format for the DS. Does "proprietary" mean "unique" or is it just a SD or MMC card? It looks like the DS adapter will slot into any SD reader? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 218.214.18.240 (talk) 23:11, 4 April 2009 (UTC)

Actually, the memory card format is microSD. You know, the memory container as large as your thumbnail? --Macweirdo (talk) 12:12, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

Link to R4 Ds Roms Page
Hi there, can we add to the external links the site www.free-ds-roms.com it is a very good resource for the users. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Badboy pro (talk • contribs) 10:39, 11 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Definitely not. -sesuPRIME talk • contribs 12:07, 11 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Are you kidding?--Macweirdo (talk) 12:10, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

Merge
I think we should merge the DS and DS lite pages together as the DS lite is just a update not a new version like the DSi

--Spazturtle (talk) 18:11, 25 September 2009 (UTC)

The DSLite is considerably different to the ds and has enough information specific to it to justify its own article. The DSi is not a "new version" of anything but only another update to the nintendo ds that still primarily plays the same games.Previous "updates" to nintendo handhelds have individual pages because they are necessary to convey detailed information on them. The DSLite article should remain as it is as you have not presented a single valid reason to merge it. (Vadde (talk) 23:34, 26 September 2009 (UTC))

Actulary the DSI plays its own games as well as ds games, so it is the same direrence bettwen the GBA and DS --Spazturtle (talk) 13:56, 28 September 2009 (UTC)

Are you talking about DSiWare? Because there are currently no dsi exclusive cartridges all ds cartridges are for all ds systems.The ds uses a different cartridge to the gba for its games but the dsi uses the same ones as the ds so until dsi exclusive games are released it is still only an update. Anyway there is still no reason to merge the ds and dslite articles especially since the dslite has a section in the ds article already. (Vadde (talk) 07:20, 29 September 2009 (UTC))

A example of a dsi only game is LOZ:Spirit Tracks it is due for relese in december, the DSi supports carts of hight cappacity. The DSi also use a new OS and bios the DS and DSlite use the same onethe DS and DSlite have the same amount of RAM, the same prossesor, and most of the chips are the same, while the DSi on the other hand has more RAM, a better prossesor and most of its chips are new. So as you can see the DS and DSlite are practicly the same just diferent casses

--Spazturtle (talk) 12:39, 1 October 2009 (UTC)
 * A bit off-topic, but do you have a source stating that Spirit Tracks will be DSi-specific? - sesu  PRIME  03:45, 2 October 2009 (UTC)

I'd like to see a source stating that spirit tracks is dsi only as all information i've seen says it might have extra features on dsi but not be dsi only. Turns out there is going to be one dsi only game soon though:http://kotaku.com/5350362/monster-finder-announced-as-first-dsi+only-game (Vadde (talk) 07:13, 2 October 2009 (UTC))

as i say below the articles should be merged. The person who states they are considerably different is talking nonsense. These pages get padded out with non-encyclopedic content like bundles etc that ruin the article. And what is said above is a misunderstanding of whats been stated. The DSi can have DS carts with added DSi-specific features, these cartridges have been confirmed to be region locked. I assume at some point there will be DSi-only cartridges, but we're talking about a time when the DSlite isn't sold anymore, if ever. LoZ is not DSi only. That would be suicide chocobogamer   mine  17:01, 30 November 2009 (UTC)

Nintendo DS Revolution
Someone posted that the so-called "DS revolution (or DSR)" is supposed to be released by 2011. I've never heard of a DSR and can't find anything online about it. Please cite your source or I will delete the info about the DSR. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.145.15.83 (talk • contribs) 18:44, September 27, 2009 (UTC)

Nintendo have released the DSi XL but that's the only recent release for a while to come according to many sources. It's related to the Wii because Revolution was what the Wii was going to be called before the name Wii was decided, apparently.. It must be someone just messing around and vandalising the article. Chevymontecarlo. 19:28, 15 March 2010 (UTC)

The "DSR" is going to be real, it's called the 3DS, found this info on gamespot. http://www.gamespot.com/news/6254031.html?om_act=convert&om_clk=topstory&tag=topstory;more IronStorm42 (talk) 06:23, 24 March 2010 (UTC)

why must every hardware revision spin off?
its really annoying as an editor and reader seeing the DS & PSP pages spin off into other pages for resized models. It doesn't add anything to Wikipedia, in fact it takes away by having to add non-encyclopedic material like every bundle ever made to make it look more than a stub. The DS articles should have 2 pages most - DS+DSlite & DSi+DSiXL and the PSP the same - PSP+PSPslims & PSPGo. It means people can spend a lot longer on making the articles excellent than 3 or 4 average-to-poor articles. The DSlite/XL/PSP2000/3000 are pretty much just bigger or smaller versions of the same console, with a few added novelties (pspwise like tv out and a mic etc) but these things need little more than a sentence or two and a picture. The only bundles that should ever be mentioned are limited edition ones - where the console itself is different to normal (colour/pattern etc) not what game it comes with. These articles look ridiculous chocobogamer   mine  15:19, 8 November 2009 (UTC)


 * Unfortunately, there doesn't seem to be the editor base and motivation to make the approach work directly, as it does for things like the iPhone. This is in part due to the difficulty in removing or condensing excessive or superfluous content, which I have repeatedly griped about. I'm trying to find the opportunity to do significant work on other articles which are a higher priority for me, but if you're willing to start a draft of an overhauled article, I'd be willing to contribute. I think a fresh start would be good. Dancter (talk) 18:15, 8 November 2009 (UTC)


 * I will get around to it with this article eventually lol. I did the PSP articles easily, but it immediately got reverted on the DSi/DSiLL merger, illogically the reason was 'wait until after release'. Prevention is better than cure, the way the PSP articles had become, 3/4's of the page was bundle information! not even limited edition bundles just every bundle available. there seems to be a bit more Nintendo fanboyism than with the PSP as nobody minded it but the DSi was reverted.. even tho the LL page was considered a stub! lol. I think that there should be seperate pages for the DS series and DSi series, and the PSP series and PSPgo, as they are majorly internally different. There seems to be a complete lack of logic in what needs its own page. chocobogamer   mine  16:56, 30 November 2009 (UTC)

question
does DS stand for double screen?--70.253.83.195 (talk) 00:14, 10 February 2010 (UTC)
 * According to Nintendo's FAQ, DS stands for both " Developers' System", as it gives game developers new tools to design games with, and "dual screen", for obvious reasons. Please remember to ask questions like this not pertaining to the article itself at the reference desk, that is the most appropriate place where you will most likely get a better answer. Thanks, ~Super Hamster  Talk Contribs 00:28, 10 February 2010 (UTC)

-- I edited the page to correct vandalism that somehow made it say Manufactuer is Mr.Brown.
 * ) I forgot to label my edit. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ryaxnb (talk • contribs) 15:07, 4 May 2010 (UTC)

Lifetime sales
With the DS passing lifetime sales of ALL Game Boys, why is this not mentioned? Here's a link to prove that the DS has outsold every version of Game Boy combined: http://www.mcvuk.com/news/38841/DS-passes-Game-Boys-lifetime-sales Please someone put in the article that the DS is now more successful than Game Boy!!! The original, color, advance, etc all total 118.69 million, and now the DS has passed that sales total! This needs to be in the article somewhere. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.206.21.58 (talk) 20:35, 22 May 2010 (UTC)

Merger proposal
Now that the 3DS is coming out I seriously think the DS and DSlite pages need merging. There is a LOT of pointless information on both pages, and after all, its only a redesign, nothing major is different. I did the same thing with the PSP and slims and the page is much better due to this. The articles as they are are so poor and there is no reason there are 2 pages for one thing chocobogamer   mine  12:15, 20 June 2010 (UTC)
 * ^^Agree, the DS -> DSlite jump isn't nearly as big as the DS -> 3DS jump, and I feel this should be accentuated by merging the DS and lite articles and making the next separate article be for the 3DS. The jump to the Dslite is really just an update, not really a new console.AiTouch (talk) 22:05, 21 June 2010 (UTC)


 * Disagree, It can be argued that the DS Lite is the reason behind the DS' success, and that the hinge problem being irrelevant and somewhat significant warrants the split. - The New Age Retro Hippie used Ruler! Now, he can figure out the length of things easily. 23:55, 21 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Reply OR with the success theory - the original was outselling the PSP so theres no proof produceable that the DSlite made it a success... of the almost 6 years the DS has been out, the DSlite has contributed over 4 years of sales so it would naturally outsell something which had a lifespan of about 18 months. also a design fault does not warrant a seperate page. at the moment the ps2 is still the best selling console, and despite 3 major incarnations and several versions of each incarnation, it only has one page. it also had several problems in hardware - blue disc error, ps2 slim not being able to play all ps2 games due to the hybrid chip. your reasoning is understandable but not enough to warrant split articles chocobogamer   mine  21:44, 22 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Just because I didn't include a reference next to my statement does not make it original research. In the same span of time as the Nintendo DS, the DS Lite did much more sales. I can tell you that the DS "Phat" was certainly not responsible for having the best single weeks of sales for a console in Japan in its entire history. Was the DS Lite, in December of 06. And no one argued for splitting them, because they are already split. The question is whether there's any need to merge. That the original DS was never surpassed by PSP ww means nothing, since neither were lighting up the charts. - The New Age Retro Hippie used Ruler! Now, he can figure out the length of things easily. 22:54, 22 June 2010 (UTC)
 * see that is just OR. "the original DS didn't light up sales" - in the time before the lite came out it sold 15M. Thats a lot in 18 months, yes the DSlite sales were massive and it was a massive leap in sales, but it doesn't warrant a seperate article by any means "woooow it sold so many, its the same but the sales are that much more" garbage. Again with the PS2, still record sales holder, only has one article despite all the different models. There is no reason for a split purely as there is only a size and screen difference - this does not require a whole other article, and the DS does not need what would be five articles for 3 consoles. chocobogamer   mine  13:55, 23 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Disagree I strongly disagree with a merger. The DS Lite was such a drastic change from the original DS in both design and sales that I can't support it being merged. Something like the DSi XL being merged into the DSi is understandable but this is completely unnecessary. BW21.-- B lack W atch 21  21:41, 23 June 2010 (UTC)
 * again, sales don't warrant a seperate article, and it wasn't a drastic design change. The GUI is the same, the features the same, all the buttons are the same, a few in a different position but thats it. there is nothing to warrant anything more than a well detailed segment of this page. again, the ps2 slims doesn't have a seperate pages despite it being the biggest selling game console of all time, and your agreement about the DSi being ok to merge just completes your illogical disagreement. The PSP 1/2/3000 pages are merged despite the fact the 2000 adds features (TV out), software based features, and the 3000 adds a microphone and further features. far more than anything the lite added to the DS
 * The DS article should be about the DS and lite as they are the same hardware, then a seperate DSi and DSiXL article as it has improved hardware and more features, then a seperate 3DS (and any resize) article for the same reason. It is only pro-lite bias that is making people think they should be seperate. From the neutral POV (I have a DS (dead), lite, DSi) the only differences r size and better screen and battery. Oh look I summed it up in a sentence chocobogamer   mine  22:24, 23 June 2010 (UTC)
 * The reason I suggested that the DSi XL be merged into the DSi is well first it has DSi in its name. Second there were no drastic changes in the hardware or design except making everything bigger. Whereas the DS Lite had an update in design, hardware and rejuvenated the DS's sales. I see where you’re coming from with the PSP and PS2, but I feel the DS Lite needs its separate article. BW21.-- B lack W atch 21  15:27, 24 June 2010 (UTC)
 * the hardware changes between the XL and DSi are in the exact same vein as the lite to the DS, different screen, battery, form factor and colour scheme/finish. 'hardware changes in the lite', the only real change was that the logic board was smaller and a few IC's, capacitors and transistors were removed, and the more modern nanometer IC's were used, which is natural progression. There are far more differences between the 60GB US and 40GB UK PS3's than the DS and DSlite. removal of a main component - the emotion engine, less USB's, no memory card readers, lower nm chipsets. no seperate articles. the sales again do not warrant a seperate article. Christ, when the fat PS2 was dwindling, different colours rejuvinated sales. Do we have a seperate article? No, as its the same hardware! the title thing, exactly the same - when the DS lite came out there was only the DS - therefore, as with the DSiXL it indicated it was a resized, normal DS, which it was. Does the lite play games the DS can't? No, vice versa? No! Put simply, its a smaller DS. The only reason you can want a seperate lite article is because you have a bias for it. Your reasons are contradicted by your own arguments. Don't exaggerate information to make it sound more important than it is. chocobogamer   mine  17:54, 24 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Also, theres more arguments for a seperate DSiXL article than DSlite, as its sold alongside the normal and its targetted at a different, older audience etc. Whereas the DSlite was just a replacement for the DS, sold alonside purely while stocks were run dry. chocobogamer   mine  18:20, 24 June 2010 (UTC)
 * First Chocobo I'm not bias to any DS. I have never owned ANY Nintendo device other then the Wii (Christmas gift), not to mention I created WikiProject Xbox, so if anything I'm bias to Xbox. I'm simply voicing what I believe. You don't need to get offended by every message. The only reason I made a big deal about the design was because it was a big change (IMO a much better looking design), I don't think I was exaggerating it in anyway. BW21.-- B lack W atch 21  03:28, 25 June 2010 (UTC)
 * A new look is not a reason to create a new page for the same hardware, simple as. Nothing about being offended its just that your only reason is that you like the look. Its the same tech inside. The entire 6 generations of iPod 'classic' are in one article (with only the not-officially-iPod classics in seperate articles). Despite there being hundreds of differences between G1 iPod (5GB 1.8" and fat microdrive, B&W LCD, physical buttons, moving wheels, firewire) and iPod Classic. Between each of those iPods there are physical and aesthetical differences, more than with the DS and lite, but logic is there - they don't need seperate articles because its the same product line, just natural evolution. As should be here. chocobogamer   mine  16:25, 25 June 2010 (UTC)

Disagree i need ds lite for work —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.175.247.51 (talk) 18:45, 5 July 2010 (UTC)
 * we don't go by what one person needs we go by whats required to have the article split and so far nowhere near enough. not every article needs to be seperate especially when its only a size change. chocobogamer   mine  21:08, 5 July 2010 (UTC)

Agree I'm coming to this late, but I too think that the DS and DS Lite articles should be merged, for the same reason that there is one article for DSi and DSi XL, one article for PlayStation and PSone, one article for PS2 and PStwo, and one article for PS3 and PS3 slim. The DS and DS Lite are basically the same console, play the same games (which just say they are for "Nintendo DS"). Most people I know who have a DS Lite just call it a DS. All reviews in magazines for games just say that the games are for "DS", not "DS Lite", even if more people will play the games on a DS Lite than on the original DS. The DS Lite is a DS. --Pelago (talk) 14:36, 19 July 2011 (UTC)