Talk:Nintendo DS Lite/Archive 2

Colour vs. Color
There needs to be a consensus in this. While "colour" is more widely used to "color," we need to think of this in regard to the Nintendo DS Lite. It's been released in Japan, Australia, the United States, Canada, Europe, and the People's Republic of China. In my opinion, the word that should be used (color or colour) is the word that is the most wideley used within theses regions.-- The Ninth Bright Shiner  talk 21:38, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
 * See this, maybe it is helpful. -- ReyBrujo 17:14, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Thanks, it helps a lot. According to that particular section, either word is fine in this case, and it's inappropriate to change it unless you have a substantial reason to do so. "Color" was first used, so it should be that way now, right? "When in doubt, defer to the style used by the first major contributor."-- The Ninth Bright Shiner  talk 01:58, 15 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Actually, it depends on what "major contributor" means. If it means to the first one to add a bunch of information, then yes, the first was "color" (see here). If by "major contributor" they mean the first user with a good number of edits, I believe it is "colour" then (see here). I will assume they were thinking about the first one to add a lot of information to the article, thus replacing colour with color is fine enough. -- ReyBrujo 02:24, 15 July 2006 (UTC)
 * I've been checking out the spelling thing and it seems to me that 'colour' is better suited because more countries (UK, Canada and Australia) spell it that way, compared to the US whos spells it 'color'. I personally don't care, but it's my opinion that 'colour' is more applicable to this article. --Thaddius 20:13, 15 July 2006 (UTC)
 * We both know what it means whatever country we come from, so I don't think it matters. But we should have consistency all the way through the article and since this is an international site, it should be changed to Colour since that's how it's spelt in English(International). --MrBobla 08:04, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Gibberish—colour is not a word in English or any other speak; the only [Latin] word is color, and in English is hue or hured. -lysdexia 05:03, 5 November 2006 (UTC)
 * "Color" is only used in American English; in every other variety of English, it's "colour."-- the ninth bright shiner   talk 05:07, 5 November 2006 (UTC)
 * I checked Nintendo's websites, and not suprisingly Nintendo of America and Nintendo of Europe use their local spellings. However, it looks like Nintendo of Japan uses the American "color" spelling. From here: "New Color! 『Jet Black』登場" (From entry for 2006.7.12 1PM) Also from here: "COLOR VARIATIONS" Both are official Nintendo of Japan pages. Identity0 10:28, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

Well to tell you the truth, my American friend actually believes colour is the correct spelling. It makes sense to me as well, because it's only really one country that uses the spelling color. Wikipedia is worldwide not one country, so it would be best to please the majority (which is the world) instead of the American population that reads this article. ps: the Wikipedia article on "color" is really stupid too. I mean come on, Vandalism? saying it's the word color is vandalism to the english language in my oppinion. --203.129.39.248 07:14, 24 May 2007 (UTC)

Sturdier Hinge ?
"Features a much sturdier hinge than the previous model, which was somewhat fragile." ... I bought one two weeks ago and the hinge on the left-hand side has already cracked. This problem has been reported elsewhere ( http://www.maxconsole.net/?mode=news&newsid=8482 ).
 * The outer plastic of your hinge may have broken but the lite has a more extensive hinge (it covers the entire top part of the body) than its predescessor (which was missing an inch or so on both sides). It certainly is a sturdier build. The casing cracking has no impact on the hinge being sturdy or not. --Thaddius 12:31, 18 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Since you read maxconsole you probably know this, but Nintendo responded by saying that the four cracked hinge images represent 0.02% of all the DS Lites out there. http://www.maxconsole.net/?mode=news&newsid=8606 Here's a link if you haven't read it. --Thaddius 03:25, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

The hinge is much sturdier, this very small amount of reports of a cracked hinge has so far has not had any negative effects on hinge sturdiness. It's not like that tiny small cosmetic crack is gonna let the whole unit fall apart. The hinge is much wider and sturdier that the DS's rather small hinge, which was fragile and recieved many more reports of cracked hinges. I'm removing that passage from the features section. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.205.65.68 (talk • contribs).

Pictures of Colors?
Hm, weren't there pictures of the diffent editions on here? were they removed for a reason? I thought about posting a selfmade pic of my black ds but when there are no others it feels weird SilentGuy 12:42, 24 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Those were removed because they were licensed under Fair use and being used as decoration (the machine is the same, only the colour varying). If you have a black one, can take a picture of it and free license it, then please go ahead. Just, if possible, try to take a picture that has not yet been taken (in example, there is already a closed one from top and bottom, so another would not really add to the article). -- ReyBrujo 14:17, 24 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Or, if not possible, take a picture as similar as an existing one, so that we can swap the white with the black one. -- ReyBrujo 14:17, 24 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Or take a pic of it surfing. I don't think there are enough pics of the DSlite surfing. --Thaddius 11:33, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

sales
http://ds.ign.com/articles/720/720637p1.html

IGN has posted some sales figures. Dread Lord CyberSkull ✎☠ 06:12, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

Nintendo has released a press release stating that 21 million units have sold worldwide DS Sales Figures. This wiki currently lists the DS as having only sold 4.1 million. Can someone edit? --Matdjj 09:40, 12 August 2006 (UTC)
 * The 21 million units figure is including the original DS. Since this article is for the DS Lite, it makes more sense to quote the figure for just DS Lites, which is 4.1 million. Dancter 17:21, 13 August 2006 (UTC)


 * Okay, so I have repeatedly requested sources for the sales and shipment data 82.148.97.70 (now 212.77.194.162) keeps adding, either through various inline tags and even a message on their user talk page, but they keep removing the tags without providing a source, a reason, or a response. I figure I should present the dispute here. If we're presenting updated a Japanese sales figure to single-unit precision, I feel that a reference is absolutely necessary for the reader to evaluate the reliability of that information. I propose that if no information is provided on how and where the figure was found, that it be kept out of the article. Dancter 10:14, 8 September 2006 (UTC)

cracked hinge ?criticism?
As far as the actual text of the cracked hinge header, "criticism" is absolutely inappropriate. What does the text have to do with criticism? When I wrote the initial version of that section, the title read "Scandal." Now I'm perfectly willing to let someone rewrite the header, but the revision has to make some semblance of sense. How about "cracked hinge sightings"? Any objections? --Stephenglassman 01:52, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
 * I don't think sightings works because to me it implies the section is about where people were when they saw the hinges. I think issuses or problems is be a better word to use.

03:30, 30 July 2006 (UTC) 70.48.173.84 03:35, 30 July 2006 (UTC)


 * Problems or issues is fine with me. Anything is better than criticism.  (Aside: Thanks for the homonym correction.)Stephenglassman 06:17, 30 July 2006 (UTC)


 * I changed it to criticism because it wasn't a scandal. But something else is fine, if anyone wants to change it.--GeneralDuke 13:10, 30 July 2006 (UTC)


 * What would go well here is a picture of this "cracking". Don't suppose there's any lying around? --Leemorrison 21:56, 3 August 2006 (UTC)


 * Here's a few: http://www.maxconsole.net/?mode=news&newsid=8482 and http://www.joystiq.com/2006/07/17/nintendo-ds-lite-cracks-on-hinge --Gaunt 23:00, 3 August 2006 (UTC)


 * Looks like some people are finding another hinge related crack: http://forums.maxconsole.net/showthread.php?p=212316 - you'll need to register to see the pictures. --Gaunt 11:30, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

Here's a link to some pics of the end result of the cracked hinge: http://www.kotaku.com/gaming/top/new-horrible-ds-lite-crack-193231.php Douglasr007 09:23, 12 August 2006 (UTC)
 * I doubt that is what will happen with all the cracked hinges or there would have been more than one report of damage on this level by now. I believe that this is an extreme example and not the usual end result of most crack hinges. --Edgelord 06:20, 13 August 2006 (UTC)

Characteristics Paragraph
In the name of Nintendo, could someone edit the characteristics paragraph? It's one informative but terribly rambling monstrosity. Plus, the entire first half is written in reference to the the changes made as in reference to the DS, and I believe this is not a "changes from the original DS" section, but a paragraph on its own properties as they are. Kylara21 06:51, 5 August 2006 (UTC)

In my opinion, the differences are very important and relevant. If they are not listed under characteristics should we make them a section? --Matdjj 09:43, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

"Cracked hinges" inconcistency?
The "Cracked hinges" section reads as follows:


 * Nintendo customer service claims that it will repair or replace the device free of charge if covered under warranty and is found to be a manufacturing defect, or will charge USD$50 otherwise.[29]
 * Many people have claimed that the only available option is to pay a standard amount of money (around $50) to get the system fixed. However, there have been recent reports stating that Nintendo is replacing them for free. [31]
 * Many people have claimed that the only available option is to pay a standard amount of money (around $50) to get the system fixed. However, there have been recent reports stating that Nintendo is replacing them for free. [31]

Those two paragraphs should probably be merged into one that's more accurately worded. --Spug 19:53, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

That sections seems to have quite a bit of "if,but,maybe" and OR in it - needs a bit of a clean-up. --Charlesknight 21:08, 6 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Yeah. I'm thinking that the last paragraph I quoted could be removed altogether. Those incidents where Nintendo replaced them for free were probably the manufacturing defects mentioned in the first paragraph I quoted. --Spug 21:30, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

Redundancy in 'Problems' Section
In the article there is a quote as follows: "Finally, those same anecdotal sources have posited that the hinge is only stressed when the device is opened beyond the first detent to the second detent." Immediatly following there is another pragraph that starts with this: "There is a possible link between the cracked hinge issue and opening the DS Lite beyond its initial 'snap' point." I hate to break it to one of the authors here but the word 'detent' is a synonym for the described 'snap point'. I'm combining the sources and removing one of them, so whoevers addition it was that I'm removing, don't get all angry and stuff. --Thaddius 14:43, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Also the 'Other Problems' are mere links to nowhere. They are supposed links to 'ign' but there is no page to go to. I'm removing those dead soruces and putting in Fact tags. --Thaddius 14:54, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

Picture under the DS Logo
Can anyone fix that, or have a good picture to use there? JC747 08:46, 23 September 2006 (UTC)

Other Problems
I have removed the stuck pixel article. Stuck pixels are a part of every LCD screen, this is not a "problem" as thats just how LCD screens are. They are just more noticable on handheld screens because of how small they are. If we include this, we must include it on every article about a device that contains an LCD screen. Most likely even your LCD computer moniter(assuming you have one) has at least one dead or stuck pixel. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 71.92.70.246 (talk • contribs).

Inappropriate tone
The article lacks the professional tone needed for encyclopedia articles. In example, there are a lot of sentences starting with "On [month]...", while the features section has a long list (prose convertion needed). -- ReyBrujo 17:29, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

Press harder on the buttons?
I noticed with my DS lite that I had to press very hard on buttons, so i traded in my DS lite for a DS. seriously though, it really hurt. is this normal for most DS lite consoles, because this puts me off buying another one.-EEVEE103 —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 195.8.175.44 (talk • contribs).


 * I think this condition was just with yours. My DS Lite works fine.  Of course, "hard" is relative...--  the ninth bright shiner   halloween 21:07, 31 October 2006 (UTC)


 * There seems to be some unit-to-unit variation. Basically with a controller or keyboard you've got a button suspended by some collapsable apparatus above a switch. When enough pressure is applied the apparatus collapses, and the button hits the switch. Ideally, for example with a buckling spring keyboard or the original DS, switch is always pushed when the button is down. If the button rises enough to let go of the switch, then the mechanism "un-collapses" and you feel the key being pushed back into its neutral position. This gives you mechanical feedback: you feel the key snap down when you've pressed the key fully, and you feel it snap back up when you've let go of the key.


 * However on the DS Lite, you can come off the switch without any mechanical feedback that you've done so. It's most noticable in games which require you to hold a button down for a length of time (for example, Mario Kart's accelerator). It's surprising: the GB Micro, GBA, N64, etc. etc. used the same kind of collapsable plastic membrane without any of these problems. Maybe they had to compromise on the design of the collapsable domes in order to to make the unit thinner. Sockatume 17:36, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

Top clamshell
Hello! I pre ordered my Dslite from game and i got it a day before it came out in the UK! Hurrah! Problems? The top clamshell is not in line with the bottom one. When i try to move the top one in line with the bottom i feel the machine will break. Oh and by pressing the bottom right corner of the outer rim of the touch screen the game acts as if i'm actually using the touch screen but i'm not. Has anyone else had a problem like this?

--86.130.120.6 16:25, 17 October 2006 (UTC)


 * Apparently not. If you're looking for help, going to Nintendo would probably be the best action.  If you're thinking of putting it into the article, you should find a source (like an article by some site) talking about this.  Your Nintendo DS Lite might just be a defected one.--  the ninth bright shiner   halloween 21:05, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

I would make sure that its really a ds, cause i'v never heard of that problem Gotchipet

Jump Ultimate Stars DS lite Special Edition
On the bottom left - 24.184.218.12 19:00, 29 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Should we add it to the article? - Malomeat 19:26, 29 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Never mind. I just did. - Malomeat 11:44, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Learn how to spell its. -lysdexia 05:15, 5 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Learn how to get off of my dick for forgetting an apostrophe. - Malomeat 23:57, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

Do we still need the "problems" section?
I've been looking at the 'Problems' section, and I'm not sure it actually needs to stay there. For example, I haven't heard a peep about the 'cracked hinge' problem in months, have you? If it's something that's been addressed, then it seems to lack significant notability in an encyclopedic context. We're not talking about the 360 problems that actually significantly impaired functionality. We're talking about an apparently short-lived cosmetic defect. So, is it still happening to people, or can it be removed? Similarly, the other 'problems' don't seem all that verifiable. I've read the same IGN article, too, but that's the only place I've heard of these problems. For example, I find the diagonals to be very easy to press, requiring no excessive pressure; and I haven't read complaints to the contrary anywhere than on ign. And as for the shifting touchscreen, even the ign article said you "shouldn't be concerned about" it. So then, what do you think? Is this section actually notable in terms of the lifespan and most significant details about the system as a whole? Or is it just more of a tidbit that wouldn't be necessary to know if you were looking for the core facts? I guess what I'm asking is, are these really defining, notable aspects of the DS Lite? Bladestorm Update: I'm still not seeing any comments on this question. If nobody has any suggestions, then I'll simply be removing that section as unnecessary. Again, I'm looking to know if anyone views this section as still being pertinent as far as the article is concerned. (I'll wait a little while longer before actually removing it though, in case anyone wants to comment) Bladestorm 22:44, 23 November 2006 (UTC) Well, I've just removed the 'problems' section. Nobody objected after... was it 4 days? or 5? Anyways, if anyone wishes to make a case for putting it back in, please just talk about it here first, okay? Bladestorm 17:48, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

A history of problems section would be nice. Always fun to read about problems with launches. Part of a trivia section maybe?--Talroth 19:59, 26 November 2006 (UTC)
 * I'm glad it was removed. No other section has that kind of section, the PSP one has been gone for ages. I had to remove so many criticisms at first taht were unsourced, we're much better wtihout it. --Thaddius 18:45, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

i came here to see information about DS lite problems, my DS lite has this Diagonal pressing problem. it is very hard to go LEFT+UP and RIGHT+DOWN. i wanted to know, if this problem is still there with new DS models or if i did get a old launch date model. 87.184.254.164 21:46, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

Bratz Forever Diamondz Limited Edition DS
There is a Bratz Forever Diamondz special edition DS...I believe it is only available through a contest, not sure how many exist but it is probably worth a mention.Alcy 06:23, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

Reports of an early US Launch: Other stores other than Target?
I was reading the source for the broken street date of the US DS Lite from GameSpot, and this article points to Target, Walmart, Kmart and also Meijer stores, however the GameSpot article that is used only reports that some anonymous poster had only proven to have gotten hold of a DS Lite from a Target store, and no other store. I wanted to make sure that this was the case before I yanked the names of the other retailers. To someone who never reads sources, this implies that all four stores listed (when in reality only one) had really broken the street date. Mattygabe 20:18, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

DS Lite successor
I've reverted additions of the rumors of a new DS version, both times for different reasons unrelated to the actual information. I figure it would be best to get some opinions. There are sources, but they aren't the most reputable. I think it would be best to sit on this for a bit until it gets picked up by the more established sites. Thoughts? Dancter 01:10, 19 December 2006 (UTC)
 * These kinds of rumours always crop up about everything. It happened for the PSP and those were false. No self respecting company would abandon the basic design of their unit (i.e. creating the next gaming system, not just a cosmetic revamp) so soon. Yes, Ninty did it with the SP2 and the Micro, but they JUST released the Lite. I don't think they have any relevance here at all. Keep them off the main page until reputable sources, mostly Ninty themselves, comfirm them. If tehy themselves deny them that won't need to be here either. --Thaddius 15:25, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

AC Adapter
I have a problem with this line: "New External Extension Connection, rendering it incompatible to accessories for the Game Boy Advance EXT2 port (Power cords and headphone adapters)." Specifically this part below: "The power port was changed to prevent cross-use of Nintendo DS Lite and original Nintendo DS adapters, because the Lite's power adapter supplies a higher current for the more powerful battery." (also it sounds like personal opinion) Both the DS and DS Lite use 5.2 Volt batteries and both can be powered by a USB port, I actually bought a third party adapter (by Joytech) that can plug into the DS Lite, DS and SP through USB and can receive power and charge the battery, so this leaves me wondering. I think the real reason they changed the port was like the micro, only to reduce the size on the machine itself. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 64.110.194.41 (talk • contribs).

Codename for the DS Lite
I'm not sure how relevant it is, but I wonder, does anyone know the codename of the DS Lite, to give explanation to the "USG" part of the system hardware serials? The old DS article has a small explanation that its codename was "Nitro" which explains the "NTR" on its hardware and all the games. (Since the DS Lite doesn't have its own software library, all games still use NTR, and never use USG.) --67.171.53.242 20:23, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

"America"?
Under "Units sold", it lists 2.23 million sold for "America". That's both inappropriate and confusing. Is that referring to "North America"? The "United States of America"? Or "North America" and "South America" combined? Since I don't know which the number refers to, I can't fix it myself, but could one of you fix that for me? Bladestorm 04:21, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

Most people in the UK, and English Speaking people in Europe, use "America" as a short form of "The United States of America". I don't think it is a problem as "America" in any other sense is a continent, not a country. It seems the preference in this particular article for a US style (spelling of Colour as Color etc.) would mean that perhaps America should be replaced with USA in this instance.

Flags
A common trend that has begun cropping up is, instead of using flag icons for the release dates, people have been using superscript shortened titles for the regions. I bring this forward because the DS Lite was released in North America, not the US, on the release date mentioned on the site. If no one objects I'll change the flag icons to things like NA and EU. --Thaddius 17:51, 14 January 2007 (UTC)
 * I agree. It makes more sense than the US representing the entire continent. --67.68.154.224 03:27, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Done --Thaddius 14:09, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

Vandalism
I found someone had made this edit to the main page

"Its also been speculated that the pope himself blesses each and every nintendo ds as its the only thing between the free world and a sony capitalist regime. its also been said that it can in fact fit inside alucards anus with room to spare"

I've taken it out, but I just thought I would put this up here incase it gets put up again.flamecondor

Front page link removed - please consider it.
I wanted to share an important link for everyone, one that enabled me to get one of these hard to find buggers. I am not affiliated with the site and just thought its a great tool.

http://www.instocker.com/nintendo_ds_lite/

I put it under external links and it was removed and I got a message that I spammed. The page is an actual realtime instock tracker for the ds.

Please share your thoughts...


 * First, make sure to sign your comments with the quadruple tilde (the squiggly line next to the 1 on most keyboards). Wikipedians like to know who they're talking to.  Also, I would believe that though your intentions were good, and I'm sorry if anyone offended you by removing your addition, perhaps Wikipedia is not the place for your link.  Wikipedia is merely a place for information, and not a place for sales links.  You can imagine if they let any and everyone add similar links - it would be a hodge podge of advertisements, making it hard to get to the information Wikipedia is known for.  Nice of you to try to help people out, but I'm sure if you Google enough you can find some message boards of people begging someone for a place to find them. I hope this helped! Mattygabe 03:36, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

Vandalism
just caught the bold text at the top as Nintendo DS Wanker. changing back... —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 80.0.132.83 (talk) 19:00, 21 January 2007 (UTC).
 * um it doesn't show up on the edit page. i can't —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 80.0.132.83 (talk • contribs).
 * It has been reverted back, thanks for noticing. -- ReyBrujo 21:19, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

LAN Connection?
If there's a discussion re: this subject that I missed, or perhaps its under the original DS page discussion, but upon reading the stats box for the DS Lite, I was quite confused with the description that the DS supported LAN connectivity. What is exactly meant by this? Because as far as I know, anything network-related that the DS can do is all wireless, which I believe falls under the "WiFi" umbrella. Can anyone specify this, or is this an error? Mattygabe 03:29, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

A wireless Local Area Network is still a Local Area Network. It can connect to APs or do ad hoc wireless networking. 216.78.200.3 00:23, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

Minor Issue
Allo. So, I added a tag to the line stating that the decrease in volume of the system causes GBA games to protrude. Just so nobody thinks I'm insane, I do realize that the volume has been reduced, and that the GBA cartridges do, in fact, protrude from the bottom. It's just that I'm inclined to believe that it's the placement of the stylus that caused this. Take a good look at the system from the side and from below, and you'll see that the cartridges go in pretty much right up to where the stylus is, and that is where they have to stop. So, maybe the article is right, and the reduction of volume alone is to blame, or maybe it's the new placement of the stylus. But there should really be a cited reference either way for a declaration of cause & effect. Bladestorm 23:09, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

Deleting "Defects" Section
Besides the DS article not having one, there really is no need. Every LCD screen in existance will always have dead pixels, this is not a problem on the DS Lite, this is a problem on LCD technology. Also, cracked hinges are also common and most likely to affect original DS's, as the hinge itself is structually weaker on the DS Hevy. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 70.95.81.42 (talk) 19:53, 6 March 2007 (UTC).

Nintendogs
Is it really fair to combine the copies sold of all types of this game? That is like saying Pokemon sold most copies on Gameboy (combined.) I think that we should look into this and fix it with ONE title that actually deserves to be recognized as the "top-seller" in Nintendo DS history. Mommatimes2 23:04, 17 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Pokémon Ruby/Sapphire/(Emerald) is, indeed, considered the best-selling on the Game Boy Advance. The games have to be related enough so that it is implausible to separate them into different games (much like Nintendogs and many Pokémon games). Ultraflame 23:01, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

Holy crap, AGAIN?!?
People, please stop removing the fact tag from the "The decrease in volume of the system has resulted in Game Boy Advance games to protrude out of the system by 1cm" claim. I know that the system is smaller than the original DS. I'm not stupid. However, it seems to me that it's the relocation of the stylus that's caused the GBA cartridges to protrude from the system. However, I didn't add that claim since it's only my personal guess as to the reasoning. Similarly, if anyone wants to claim that it's strictly the decrease in volume that caused it to protrude, then that needs to be cited as well. Even though people keep removing it, that tag's been there since february. If nobody cites it soon, then I'm simply going to remove any and all theorized causes for the protrusion (is that a word?). Bladestorm 21:22, 27 March 2007 (UTC)
 * I was under the impression that volume referred to sales. That line definetely needs rephrasing. ʍαμ$ʏ5043 16:32, 19 April 2007 (UTC)

Complaint/Criticism Section?
I'll admit that I don't own a DS yet (though I plan to get one in the very near future), but a complaint that I have with this article is the overwhelming positive bias that it has. I have several friends that own original and Lite versions of the DS, and I've heard complaints from several of them of the shoulder buttons on the Lite version wearing out in a fairly rapid fashion. Surely there should be some inclusion of this, and other matters such as Wi Fi connectivity problems and a more substansive analysis of the differences between the original and the Lite (both positive and negative), in order to make this a more inclusive and encyclopedic article. RPH 21:16, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

Hmmm, how about actually getting a DS Lite first and THEN coming here after you've judged these "problems" for yourself? You can't just take a few people's opinions and assume that everyone has the same problems. The fact that you don't own one yourself, and STILL come here with complaints about it, just makes YOU look like you have an overwhelming negative bias. Link&#39;s Awakening 20:43, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Also, Wikipedia isn't a place for opinions as they are rarely verifyable. Cheers. --Thaddius 01:55, 12 April 2007 (UTC)


 * What? So by suggesting that an article is overly one-sided, I'm the one with a negative bias?  Excellent leap in logic, especially as I've been a Nintendo fanboy since the NES.  I always find quite humorous whenever another Nintendo (or any other system) fan reacts vehemently at the smallest complaint/criticism.  This is quite ironic in your case, especially after looking over the PS3's talk page and noting a few of your edits calling out Sony fanboys, stating that the PS3 is nothing more than a "big and clunky... piece of junk," and saying that Sony itself deserves the current situation for being "cocky."  If you're going to call a kettle black by saying that a potentially minor complaint is indicitive of "an overwhelmingly negative bias" you sure as heck better take a look in the mirror first to make sure that you're not a pot yourself.  Further, after a light internet search, I've already decided that the matter with my friend's systems were mostly an unfortunate coincidence.  However, other issues, such as 2006's recall of 200,000 adapters (http://www.technewsworld.com/story/54757.html), remain worthwhile particulars to include.  However, as to the point that just because I don't own a DS/Lite, that I can't criticize particulars of it is a fairly BS statement.  Even if I hadn't had many hours of play time on my friends' handhelds (which I have), bringing up critical points is completely acceptable if there is some backing to it.  That's why I didn't make an edit to the article willy-nilly and instead made a point on the talk page to find out if other people had heard of the complaints and knew sources to back it up.  Really, chill out.  That's how you're supposed to proceed on Wikipedia when you have a point that you're unsure of including in an article. RPH 04:42, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

Wow, you must have been really desperate to get something on me if you went through the trouble of searching through deleted sections on a Talk page just to quote some old comments. And besides, did I ever actually say anything was wrong with adding a criticism section? No. And if you hadn't made it seem like you just wanted to complain for some of your friends, then I may actually have said it was a good idea. But the way you say you've only "heard" about these complaints from them, makes it sound like you've never even held one in your life for all we know. Even my friend's DS Lite which he got when it came out doesn't have those problems. Like Thaddius said above, those were unverifyable opinions. But fine, whatever, do what you want to do. As long as you can back up your complaints, I couldn't care less. Link&#39;s Awakening 22:51, 19 April 2007 (UTC)

Alternate names
Don't take out the alternate spellings (i.e., the Japanese spelling) of the DS Lite, they're there for a reason. It isn't marketed as "DS Lite" everywhere.-- the ninth bright shiner   talk 19:15, 15 April 2007 (UTC)

Tense
The paragraph on Launch -> Availability uses a mix of past tense and present tense. I'm not sure whether the availability of the NDSL is still problematic or not, but could somebody please adjust the paragraph to reflect actual information. ʍαμ$ʏ5043 16:29, 19 April 2007 (UTC)

Cracked hinges again
We're here again, the Cracked hinges section gets deleted again. It seems well sourced, has a few refs, why should it get removed? --Oscarthecat 18:45, 23 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Well, you can look above to Talk:Nintendo_DS_Lite (did I get the link right? Talk page links are annoying).
 * Basically...
 * There aren't any recent accounts of them at all to suggest that it's still a problem.
 * "Anecdotal" evidence, by definition, isn't scientific or reliable. It's true that reliable sources revealed that people have made claims, but there's no proof of an actual defect/cause.
 * Even if it were to be added, it'd need to address whether or not it's still an issue (or, at the very least, not pretend it's still an issue in the total absence of supporting evidence), would have to remove all speculation of cause, and all (hearsay) claims of having treated the systems carefully.
 * In short, (current) notability needs to be proven. And only directly citable statements can be made. Most of the material removed isn't directly cited/reliable, and no attempts at establishing current notability exist. Bladestorm 19:05, 23 April 2007 (UTC)
 * The Cracked Hinges section should be left at least as a formality. The reasoning behind this is:
 * The problem's existence has more or less been proven. If you try an image search on something along the lines of "ds lite crack", you are guaranteed to find identical disfigurements on multiple DS lites.
 * Secondly, although Nintendo did admit that the problem did exist (which is the whole reason this section should be included), there have been no reports that their manufacturing process has changed in order to prevent any future occurances, however rare they may have been.
 * Lastly, I myself have owned a DS lite for nearly 6 months and just noticed the aforementioned 'crack'. I have been checking fairly regularly for the defect and to just now notice it means that it is still a possibility.
 * I am aware that a personal report serves weakly as proof at best, but it is a report nonetheless. The argument is pretty much that the section should be included until Nintendo reports a change in their manufacturing process that would eliminate all future defects. Until then, the problem still exists due to its already being proven to be there and information on it should be included in the article.


 * There aren't any recent accounts - doesn't need to be - there was a problem, Nintendo fixed it, still ought to be documented. Can't buy a ZX Spectrum in the high street any more, doesn't mean we should delete ZX Spectrum article!
 * "Anecdotal" evidence, by definition, isn't scientific or reliable - Nintendo themselves admitted there was a problem with cracked hinges.
 * Don't think we're coming at this from completely opposite angles - we do agree that it needs mentioning, from the sounds of things, just like the Xbox 360 and Wii technical problems were documented. --Oscarthecat 19:54, 23 April 2007 (UTC)
 * A 0.02% rate, and it's just a cosmetic issue? At most it deserves 1 or 2 sentences, not an entire paragraph. Mention it being a very small problem that didn't actually affect the system and that Nintendo offered free repairs, that's it. TJ Spyke 22:35, 25 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Yes, i agree with a couple sentences metion. My DS Lite recently had this problem which shows it is not totally gone yet. Uturnaroun 22:16, 2 May 2007 (UTC)
 * oi... I hate having to explain this kind of thing:
 * You didn't even say how old it was; which makes it impossible to comment on whether or not the problem's been addressed.
 * There's no reason to just assume that the cracked hinge wasn't your own fault.
 * Your personal experience does nothing to contribute towards any notion of the extent of the problem, in terms of how frequently it occurs/occurred.
 * You are not a reliable source. This isn't an insult; simply wikipedia policy. This may sound cold, but your personal experiences are entirely irrelevant. Bladestorm 22:34, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

It's obvious that many of you are unfairly trying to spin/downplay the entire Cracked Hinge issue. The problem obviously exists and there is a plethora of recent enough visual evidence to prove it and none that disproves its existence today. To not include this information in the article is undermining the base purpose of Wikipedia itself. To those of you who keep omitting something so obvious: please stop insulting the rest of the Wikipedia community trying to rationalize what is virtually vandalism on your part. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.84.201.213 (talk • contribs)
 * Little bit of advice: Making accusations against people won't get you what you want. Accusations of vandalism, that entirely ignore what's being said, even less so.
 * Trying to re-add the exact same text that's already been removed, without addressing any of the reasons it was removed: Not going to work.
 * Saying that it "obviously" exists(present tense): Not as strong as evidence to that effect. Ditto on declaring that, "there is a plethora of recent enough visual evidence". (If it exists, and is supported by reliable and verifiable sources, then present this recent evidence)
 * If you refuse to prove that it's still happening, then don't phrase it in the present tense. That's manufacturing content (original research). If you don't want to get reverted, don't keep adding the same old text that included references to, "anecdotal evidence". That isn't reliable or verifiable.
 * If you choose not to contribute verifiable content, then, by all means, don't. But, don't be surprised if content that was bad the first time, is still bad the second or third time around. You want to include it? Try rewriting it. Bladestorm 17:25, 4 June 2007 (UTC)

Gallery Removed?
Why was the image gallery removed? I'm not seeing any discussion of it in here, and the person who removed it didn't explain it in their edit summary. Gh5046 19:54, 26 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Looking at Drake2u's contributions to wikipedia it seems he's done it before as well. I am going to re-add the gallery, and sometime in the next few days I'll address one of the concerns address here. Gh5046 20:00, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

Is USB Charging Safe?
I know this question doesn't really have anything to do with the content of the article, but I was wondering, is it ok to use one of those USB charger cables for the DS Lite regularly? I was thinking about getting one but first I wanted to know if anyone here might own one, and how well it's worked for you. I don't want my DS to get zapped or anything. Thanks. Nintenboy01 18:55, 27 May 2007 (UTC)