Talk:Nintendo DSi/Archive 2

Flashcard info somewhat incorrect
The part about where DSi-compatible flashcards will work is somewhat incorrect. Please read this: http://www.nintendo-online.de/news/3836/kein-homebrew-mehr-auf-europaeischen-dsi/ It's been confirmed that on the European DSi (I assume updated), the exploit used to run flashcards has been plugged. So far no one is 100% sure on the Australian DSi. http://www.ozmodchips.com/news/march-april-news-a-32.html This may say that yes, the cards work, but GBAtemp has speculation on this matter. The tested Australian DSi above may have been old stock used to meet demand, and this means that after all the old stock is gone, the 1st gen DSi-compatible flashcards will be obsolete. http://gbatemp.net/index.php?showtopic=143260&st=15 Can someone edit the page to reflect this? Willythechilly5 (talk) 14:21, 26 March 2009 (UTC)
 * I'm not seeing where it states these flashcards will work, only that they are being produced.  « ₣M₣ »  14:47, 26 March 2009 (UTC)

"All existing homebrew flash cards for the Nintendo DS and DS Lite are incompatible with the DSi,[26] but cards that can run DS software on a DSi are now being produced – the first one was created by Acekard." If you search on GBAtemp, you'll see enough evidence of all the info I said above. Apparently the Australian test was a demo unit, so it's not 100% yet. Willythechilly5 (talk) 04:12, 27 March 2009 (UTC)
 * It doesn't specify that they work on all models. It would also be nice to have another source confirming it. Lastly, it might just be a region coding issue (wouldn't that be funny?) 70.80.31.146 (talk) 00:21, 30 March 2009 (UTC)

The NDSTTi works on the Australian DSi, but not the old TT card. (www.ndstt.com) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.0.236.96 (talk) 22:23, 10 April 2009 (UTC)

Graphics Engines
I haven't been able to find any concrete details on the graphics engines (2D and 3D.) It would be nice to have confirmation that they are the same as previous iterations or that one or both have been upgraded somehow. 70.80.31.146 (talk) 00:21, 30 March 2009 (UTC)


 * Graphics engines are just parts of the games that developers create. They aren't built into the DS or the DSi, so any improvements in the games' graphics engines are going to be specific to the individual games.  There's no across-the-board statement you can make about games' graphics engines being improved on the DSi.  Tempshill (talk) 20:24, 30 March 2009 (UTC)


 * Many people refer to the 2D and 3D hardware acceleration in the DS by the term "graphics engine." This is what I was asking about (it is expressly not a software question.) Semantics aside, the question of the video hardware has received no comments here, or elsewhere that I can find. 74.57.36.75 (talk) 03:28, 8 April 2009 (UTC)

DSi Firmware Updates
Somebodey needs to do a page for the DSi Updates. A Candela (talk) 00:20, 4 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Not really. There's hardly any info on updates in this article, so why split it? Moreover, all content must be notable and reliably sourced, and I wouldn't say there's anything remarkable enough about such a trivial subject to make it so. Haipa Doragon (talk • contributions) 02:30, 4 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Would a page be up after the next update is out? A Candela (talk) 18:08, 4 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Did you even read his comment?  « ₣M₣ »  18:43, 4 April 2009 (UTC)
 * ...No, a page wouldn't (or, technically, shouldn't) be up. What's so significant about this next update? Haipa Doragon (talk • contributions) 19:34, 4 April 2009 (UTC)

The PSP had a page up so why can't DSi have one up? A Candela (talk) 02:05, 6 April 2009 (UTC)
 * The DSi isn't the PSP; the nature of its updates are going to affect how notable it is. Anyway, the article in question is about its system software, not just updates, and lacks real-world coverage anyway. Haipa Doragon (talk • contributions) 02:37, 6 April 2009 (UTC)

So when more updates come then there will be a article. A Candela (talk) 12:04, 6 April 2009 (UTC)
 * If there were enough notable updates, yes. However, I heavily doubt that's the case at the moment, considering the lack of information in this article. Haipa Doragon (talk • contributions) 06:41, 7 April 2009 (UTC)

European Price
Would appreciate if someone would put in the price in Euro (€). The only European price up is in Sterling, which is only used in the UK. Thanks. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jafin89 (talk • contribs) 15:26, 4 April 2009 (UTC)

DSi and DSI
Can someone put a disambiguation link to DSI at the top of the page? as DSi redirects here, and the capitalisation of the last letter is the only difference between these two articles, it'll lead to a lot of confusion. 81.149.182.210 (talk) 14:30, 5 April 2009 (UTC)

Camera Resolution
The exterior camera is 3 megapixel, not 0.3 megapixel.The interior camera is the VGA/0.3MP camera. They are different resolutions - the exterior is to take somewhat high-resolution photos and the interior is to be used as a webcam/blogcam. Just thought that this should be clarified. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Quiestbml (talk • contribs) 17:22, 5 April 2009 (UTC)

What i in DSi Stands for
The i in DSi and in iPod stand for "internet". iPod really stands for "internet pod" because you download music from the internet, not from the air. So the i in DSi stand for internet also because you can get internet on your DS. \ —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.43.200.70 (talk) 22:23, 9 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Do you have a source for that? Haipa Doragon (talk • contributions) 01:56, 10 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Ugh, the i in iPod stands for innovative, the i in DSi is a pun on the cameras (DS 'eye'). --74.233.217.133 (talk) 18:33, 12 April 2009 (UTC)
 * That's not what the given reliable source says. Information should always be backed up by such sources when included in Wikipedia. Haipa Doragon (talk • contributions) 19:06, 12 April 2009 (UTC)

request to add citations to Reception section:

Business Week article link: http://www.businessweek.com/technology/content/apr2009/tc2009049_147316.htm CNet link http://reviews.cnet.com/nintendo-dsi/ PCWorld link http://www.pcworld.com/article/162366/nintendo_dsi_review_slimmer_more_multimediasavvy.html IGN http://gear.ign.com/articles/970/970172p2.html

I couldn't find the free software foundation link, but this link says something similar

http://www.epsilon.hlgamers.com/blog/?p=57

thanks whoever can please add these links


 * Yes check.svg Done RP9 (talk) 07:34, 20 April 2009 (UTC)

Why DSi is protected
Hey, my name is Agbwiki. I'm the one who created the Reception article in the Nintendo DSi, but I didn't know how to put in references. That's why it's now semi-protected. Can someone unblock the page please so I can make corrections! Thanks! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Agbwiki (talk • contribs) 21:29, 15 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Its due to daily vandalism, in the mean time you can copy-paste the section into your own user page and work on it in there.  « ₣M₣ »  12:37, 16 April 2009 (UTC)

DRM
I added some mention of criticism for in the platform. Superm401 - Talk 00:58, 16 April 2009 (UTC)

Image demonstrating closed DSi
I created File:Dsi white closed upright.svg a while ago and recently uploaded it to wikipedia. I was wondering if it should replace File:Nintendo dsi closed.jpg in the article. Please give feedback! --Goldblattster (talk) 20:00, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Nevermind this, it has been changed. --Goldblattster (talk) 17:06, 1 May 2009 (UTC)

Some DSi Ware fixes
Its Nintendo DSi points, and the Wii points have not been changed into Nintendo points, at least not yet. Also, the offer for the free 1000 Nintendo DSi points ends October 5, 2009 and NOT march 2010 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jeffery02 (talk • contribs)


 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: Hi and welcome to Wikipedia. You need to specify the text you want inserted in a "please change X to Y" sort of format when you use the editsemiprotected template. This template adds your request to a list over in a different part of wikipedia. Anyone with a little time and a desire to help can then insert your text into the article, so that you aren't prevented from making reasonable edits while the page is semiprotected. If those other editors are like me, they won't know the article well enough to grasp a general comment like the one above. You may also want to provide a reference for this information to avoid going back and forth with whoever said March 2010. The URL for the website you read it at or the name, issue, page number if you read it in a periodical is a start. When you have that worked out, put in a fresh requeast and someone will come help. Oh, by the way, you should sign your posts to the talk page by putting four tildes (~) at the end. Celestra (talk) 17:45, 2 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Yes check.svg Done Unless there is some other region that has the offer after Japan, it will end for everyone by 2010. If the current wording won't suffice, please say so. :P  « ₣M₣ »  21:08, 2 May 2009 (UTC)


 * The Nintendo website states it's October 5, 2009: --Matthew Bauer (talk) 20:00, 24 May 2009 (UTC)
 *  « ₣M₣ »  15:13, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

Processors
The DSi has 1 ARM11 @ 133Mhz

please fix this

thanks —Preceding unsigned comment added by Fixer343 (talk • contribs) 20:31, 2 May 2009 (UTC)
 * An ARM11? I believe a certain someone was going around posting that. Provide a legitimate source.  « ₣M₣ »  21:08, 2 May 2009 (UTC)

Step 16


 * The logic board in its full glory.
 * Chips of interest, left to right:
 * Samsung 1st generation MoviNAND KMAPF0000M: 256 MB NAND Flash and MMC controller. The integrated MMC controller allows the CPU to offload the complex work of directly talking to the flash memory.
 * 82DBS08164D-70L: Fujitsu Ltd 128-bit FCRAM (fast-cycle RAM) chip.
 * Nintendo's custom ARM CPU. Our CPU was manufactured in September of 2008.

http://www.ifixit.com/Guide/First-Look/Nintendo-DSi/714/2#s3793 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Fixer343 (talk • contribs) 23:12, 3 May 2009 (UTC)

There is no ARM7 in the DSi, there is only one processor whatever it may be. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Fixer343 (talk • contribs) 23:24, 3 May 2009 (UTC)


 * A site that specializes on Macs took apart a DSi and listed stuff based-on-what-we-saw-on-the-motherboard is not sufficient enough to require any alteration to what is found on Arm's website. If you are going to find conflicting information, something like from Nintendo, a news agency, etc will do.  « ₣M₣ »  12:39, 8 May 2009 (UTC)


 * DSi can run DS games. And ARM7 is required for it to be possible, as DS games use both ARM9 and ARM7 to run. Maybe they both are made on a single chip, but it is there. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 194.169.250.28 (talk) 09:29, 17 November 2009 (UTC)

Colors and limited editions?
Should a "Colors and limited editions" sections be added to the page? There's one on the Nintendo DS Lite page, and a list of ones for the standard Nintendo DS has it's own page. It's notable that both versions have many different edition, but a special edition of a Nintendo DSi has been released already... And we already have 4 (or was it just 3) colors released... I don't see why we should add a section now, unless one wanted to say it's be kind of small. ~m190049~talk 01:36, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

On this subject, the article says DSi in lime green is only available in Japan, but I'm pretty sure the video game store cleck was trying to hawk a lime green DSi to me yesterday here in America, so lime green DSi's might be avialable in America too.138.162.8.57 (talk) 11:53, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

there was also a phoenix wright version of it as well to promote the latest game coming out =^-^=--"I am an oktau and a baka at times but deny proven facts and you got a fight" comment added by Dragonmaster88 (talk • contribs) 17:20, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

oh yeah there are also a special versions for megaman starforce 3 as well--"I am an oktau and a baka at times but deny proven facts and you got a fight" comment added by Dragonmaster88 (talk • contribs) 00:02, 22 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Can you provide a reference?  « ₣M₣ »  00:15, 22 June 2009 (UTC)


 * here are the links to the games, which includes pic of the DSI's casing on both. though they aren't different if at all
 * Mega Man Star Force® 3 Black Ace Limited Edition (DSi)
 * Mega Man Star Force® 3 Red Joker Limited Edition (DSi)
 * --"I am an oktau and a baka at times but deny proven facts and you got a fight" comment added by Dragonmaster88 (talk • contribs) 00:34, 22 June 2009 (UTC)

Comments
Okay, I've been a bit less cautious than usual with the changes, but you're free as always to revert or modify as you see fit. I'm just going to leave a few comments regarding things that only the main contributor(s) can fix: I'm really impressed with the article and am looking forward to see it grow as more sales data comes in. As I've said, take these prompts as suggestions and not as instructions. I'll, be monitoring the page, so reply here if you have any issues. Enjoy. Ashnard Talk  Contribs  11:27, 14 June 2009 (UTC)
 * The lead could do with beefing up. You could think of elaborating upon unique DSi features, and should definitely include info on sales and critical reception. You could also elaborate upon the development process. However, I personally feel that the last sentence (quote) is inappropriate for the lead, which is supposed to be a general summary.
 * "The Nintendo DSi was conceived at the end of 2006, as the Wii began to ship". Ship where?
 * "Masato Kuwahara from Nintendo's Engineering Department began development on the DSi project following instructions from his supervisor.". I'm assuming that this was not a one-man mission&mdash;did he head a team? What supervisor&mdash;surely Iwata and the like can only give such orders?
 * I think it would be useful in regards to presentation for the proceeding quote in the paragraph to be presented in a block, akin to Mario & Sonic at the Olympic Games.
 * There's a problem with your headings in that one is labelled as "demographic and sales", yet the vast majority of sales info is include in "launch". Also, if you're heading for FA, then demographic-specific sales will be expected.
 * "and in Europe on the following day for £149.99 in matte black and matte white." The pound sterling is pretty much used by the UK only. You could find some Euro sales information, although there is no currency common to all of Europe.
 * I don't write console articles, so this may be standard, but try to make sure the article is user-friendly and doesn't rely heavily on jargon.
 * "There are three special edition models, such as the Final Fantasy Crystal Chronicles: Echoes of Time model and Kingdom Hearts 358/2 Days model, have also been released.[42][43]". This is just generally hard to make sense of.
 * "Reception" is quite easily the weakest section of the article. It stands now as just an assortmeent of quotes from reviewers in sequence. It should perhaps be structured on individual aspects (camera, online capability, etc), and should offer a comprehensive overview. If not this, then the reliance upon quotes needs to be cut down. Try to get some reception from Japan too.
 * The number of external links seems excessive.
 * The range of sources is excellent, I feel. Try to secure some print resources, and this area should be a shoe-in if you're going for FA.
 * Perhaps you are in a better location to find prices because I cannot find anything online. Its quite odd the P.R. never had the price in Euros.  « ₣M₣ »  23:40, 25 June 2009 (UTC)

Just a suggestion
But since you're pursuing A-class with this article, you might as well push for GA simultaneously as the article can be both A and GA at the same time, and it could give you added input on any points to tweak.--Kung Fu Man (talk) 07:34, 3 July 2009 (UTC)

Thoughts
As requested, here are my thoughts of the article after a casual read-through. Having long stepped away from video game articles and acquiring a different perspective of the project, I hope these present another insight (one from a gamer who is more casual than before).

History An introduction of the background that led to the conception of the DSi, followed by a description of the state of the market the DSi was launched into would help readers who are not avid followers of the gaming market.

Do this by telling readers what the gaming market was facing and the forces that led Nintendo to improve the DS.

Key points:
 * How was the gaming market in the years before 2006? Was the handheld console "hot"?  If yes, which was the predominant model?
 * What led to the conception of the DSi? After all, there is the DS; so why build it?  Was there feedback that the DS "sucked" in some way?  Was it internal decision?  Was it a response to its competitors?

Launch To me, spewing out sales figures is not interesting. I would rather like to know why those figures should be important to me. Rather than listing every price of every version, pick out the most notable price or the common market price if there is none. I.e. unless someone went to bid $600 at an auction to buy a $20 handheld, the only price we should be looking at is the merchant's recommended price (and yes, we can stick to one country, bias or not). I doubt 20–50 years from now, readers would like to read listings of launch prices (would you enjoy reading how much a can of Coke was selling in each of 30+ countries during 1908?) Stating numbers without a hint of what those figures mean could lose you readers.

Hardware Some details are way excessive. Why should we care that the SD card slot is "behind the cover on the right-side of the handheld adjacent to the stylus holder." The average reader would be satisfied with "the DSi accepts SD cards through a slot on its right side" or something.

Reception Feels like a simple "X says, Y says". Consolidate the opinions and use one or two sites' quotes to spice them up. Currently the section (as the conclusion of the article) ends with Bit-tech's praise, which falls flat. There is no conclusive tone to their statement. It does not sound like a final word on the DSi. The last part of the article should generally sum up the general perception of the DSi: was it a success or a failure?

General
 * "..., with ing ..." is a bad form of grammar.

I am aware that some of these views conflict with the above, but I hope it offers another angle that can help develop a balance between these views or find which is to be adopted. Jappalang (talk) 02:01, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

A-class assessment
Overall looks good, but there are a few minor details. That's about it. The prose seems fine overall and other than those mentioned, everything seems covered. 陣 内 Jinnai 20:53, 14 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Remove the ref from the lead. The info about storage and the DSi shop is mentioned in the main article in different sections, therefore is not needed per WP:LEAD.
 * Should be noted on backwards compatability that Nintendo doesn't plan to offer download play for GBA games as it came up on their FAQ
 * This may be too English-centric in the reviews. For an A-class article about a world-released item I'd expect some non-English reliable sources commenting.
 * An image of the menu system as it is radically different from the Nintendo DS may be appropriate.
 * This may be too English-centric in the reviews. For an A-class article about a world-released item I'd expect some non-English reliable sources commenting.
 * An image of the menu system as it is radically different from the Nintendo DS may be appropriate.
 * An image of the menu system as it is radically different from the Nintendo DS may be appropriate.
 * Thanks, I'll see what else I can do.  « ₣M₣ »  02:02, 17 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Updating status. 陣 内 Jinnai 20:46, 22 July 2009 (UTC)


 * Well pass a month, it passed GA status. But since all of the comments arn't fixed, I will keep it as GA. GamerPro64 (talk) 18:27, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

Homebrew
Should we say that the DSi will not work with homebrew cartridges? Or at least the CycloDS? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.209.148.49 (talk) 15:12, 16 July 2009 (UTC)


 * Only if there are independant reliable sources that cover that. We do not censor information at Wikipedia, but we also don't cover the topic if no one covers anything about flashcarts and the DSi. 陣 内 Jinnai 00:23, 17 July 2009 (UTC)

First available
First available means First available does it not, then why is europe's realease date listed instead of australia/new zealand in the others section because last time I checked australia and new zealand is not japan and not part of the americas -- sss333 (talk) 02:16, 6 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Last time I checked, there's an "undo" option under "History" to revert IPs. Maybe you should try using it sometime?  « ₣M₣ » 

DSi LL
If anyone wants to do the relevant updates for the DSi LL, there's plenty of info here:, and here: --Gaunt (talk) 09:24, 29 October 2009 (UTC)


 * Just noticed that it's coming out in Europe in 2010 but called the DSi XL

Merge
The pages need merging to make sure we have one great article and don't end up with 2 average articles. I've recently edited the 3 older PSP pages into one and am working to get it upto FA standard. Things like this need to be done pre-emptively so that articles don't get filled with pointless information like every bundle ever released rather than expanding important stuff. I am also planning to do the same with the DS and DSlite pages, as both those articles have a lot of pointless information as well   chocobogamer      mine   16:48, 30 November 2009 (UTC)

Why we should keep the DSi XL page.
We should keep the Nintendo DSi XL page because it a new console know as the Nintendo DSi LL. In the US it will be called the Nintendo DSi XL. It is not just a sise change but a new Video Game system! Thank You. Please make the DSi XL page a real page :) DellTG5 (talk) 19:53, 4 December 2009 (UTC)
 * A new video game system with the only change being its size. The Nintendo President compared it to a color change... "We have often introduced color variations to portable video game machines since the days of the original GameBoy. This time, for the first time on the Nintendo DS series, we are launching a 'size variation.'" We don't have separate articles for every different color DSi! But really, the way it should work is to focus on the main DSi article. If more information were to come out that distinguishes it from the DSi with its own notability, and the section on the XL becomes too big, then splitting content should be considered.Aether7 (talk) 21:33, 4 December 2009 (UTC)
 * A size change doesn't need a whole new article, ever. A well managed DSi article, just like the PSP and original DS will never need splitting. Just keep to worthy encyclopedic content and don't add irrelevant crap to pad it out like every single bundle and its easy. If/when necessary, you spin off other stuff like accessories, that can be relevant to other articles, not 2 articles with identical information. You'll never get something exclusive for the LL or standard DSi thats not compatible with the other... Just like with the DSlite. I am well in the belief that a rework of the DS main article and lite will produce one amazing article instead of 2 average padded out ones.. Look at the PS2 which had 3 main hardware versions, along with about 3 or 4 different revisions of each main one... thats all in one article. PSP is in need of work as it hasnt long been merged but its a lot easier to read. It is purely fanboyisms that make articles unneccesarily split. "its a whole new console" no its not! there are two different DS's in terms of hardware - DS/DSlite and DSi/DSiXL, just like there are two different PSPs in terms of hardware - PSP1000/2000/3000 and PSPgo   chocobogamer      mine   00:28, 9 December 2009 (UTC)

Proposal
There is NO need to have 2 pages. The XL page has hardly anything relevant bar dimensions on it and that could be included in the section in this page. Size revisions should never spin off   chocobogamer      mine   12:42, 20 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Note: Invited wikiproject to this since whatever amusement I got from inexperienced users wore off. Speaking of which, next time don't go rushing in with crappy prose during a FAC.  « ₣M₣ » 
 * Support - as the DSi XL is merely a larger DSi with no other new features to speak of I strongly support a merge with this article. --Teancum (talk) 18:52, 21 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Support - A minor hardware revision that can be covered in the article covering the original product. - X201 (talk) 09:14, 22 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Support Aawood (talk) 11:47, 22 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Support - Unless you want to go back and give the Game Boy Light its own separate article. Captain Skank (talk) 11:54, 27 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Support - Same as teancum Arfn24 (talk) 21:13, 1 July 2010 (UTC)

iQue DSi
The DSi I'm not sure either will be or already has been released in China and will be called the iQue DSi. You can view it here on the official iQue site: --Victory93 (talk) 07:33, 30 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Ok, thanks.  « ₣M₣ »  19:45, 2 December 2009 (UTC)

Size variation
I want to change that statement, but other than just removing it I don't know what to say. It's not the first size variation. In fact, each new model has been a size variation. The DS Lite is a different size than the DS, and the DSi is a different size than both of the other models. Now, that's talking about the external case, the size of the entire unit. If you are just talking about the screen size - even that changed with the DSi - sporting 3.25" screens instead of 3". Not as large of a change as the step up to the DSi XL - but a change nonetheless. So there is no way the DSi XL is the first size variation of the DS product family. Neither of the linked references for the statement include any reason to call it the first "size variation" of the product family. In fact the in-quotes phrase does not appear on either link. chad78 (talk) 20:43, 27 December 2009 (UTC)
 * It's saying that it is the first time that a single model of DS has been available in more than a single size, its just not clear —Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.48.73.52 (talk) 22:24, 8 January 2010 (UTC)

Mentioning the regions
The article states that the DSi comes in regionized versions, and talks about region locks for software, but does not inform which regions or even how many of them there are. I think this should be incorporated, just as the existing regions are mentioned on pages about DVD and the like. Wurdnurd (talk) 02:35, 1 March 2010 (UTC)

Assessment request
To check-out the article's past flaws, previous reviews are under "Article milestones", as well as Talk:Nintendo_DSi/Archive_2. To my knowledge, there are no recent sales data that adds meaningful context to the article.  « ₣M₣ »  02:25, 22 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment - Most of everything is in order. However, I saw that three links go back to this article. link. GamerPro64 (talk) 01:59, 27 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Okay, done.  « ₣M₣ »  00:14, 30 May 2010 (UTC)

Comments


 * Is the Japanese required in the lead? If so, does it require an inline?


 * Inlines generally aren't required in an infobox.


 * In the last paragraph of the lead, that colon should probably be a semicolon.

Except for these trivial issues I think the article is ready for A-class. — Mr. Van Tine (t – c)   11:27, 20 June 2010 (UTC)
 * In the software library section, the word "excepting" is wikilinked, I assume as an explanation for why the Guitar Hero game can't be used on the new handheld. It doesn't really explain why, and furthermore the link is to another section within the same article.
 * If the gaming product is from Japan, then yes. Citations are probably not needed in this scenario, but I left it there regardless.
 * Done? Left content note.
 * Done
 * Guitar Hero is only used as an example, so gameplay specifics should be on its respective article. I don't think there's anything wrong linking 'Except' in this situation.  « ₣M₣ »  20:08, 20 June 2010 (UTC)

Hot swap?
My DSi manual states that one should turn the system off when swapping cartridges, but this article states that it is not needed. I think i will not hot swap cartridges unless a Nintendo documentation says you can do so.
 * It's okay to hot swap. I've tried it on a DSi, and it works out well. Plus, you don't need to turn the power off every time you want to change the game. Keyboard mouse (talk) 04:50, 8 May 2010 (UTC)

Merge launch article
Looking at the launch article, it doesn't appear to be that much longer than the section that already appears in this article (unlike the DS launch article). This article isn't too long either. What is the reasoning behind having the launch information being forked to a separate article? Axem Titanium (talk) 12:06, 21 July 2010 (UTC)
 * I didn't disagree with Jappalang's or David's comments.  « ₣M₣ »  16:02, 21 July 2010 (UTC)
 * I don't claim to know what David was thinking when he said "There's two paragraphs on the DSi, it can be covered in its own article; this page is not suffering from length issues", but I think the pronouns refer as follows: "There's two paragraphs on the DSi, [this information] can be covered in [the DSi's] own article; this [DSi] page is not suffering from length issues." I could be wrong, but that's how I read it, but it is definitely ambiguous. Axem Titanium (talk) 18:44, 22 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Uh, I don't really remember what I was thinking either :) I think Axem is correct, in that since there was so little about the DSi in the subarticle it really should all be covered in the parent. Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs ( talk ) 22:06, 25 July 2010 (UTC)

Very little technical information
The article has lots of in-depth trivia but no basic technical information like screen resolution.--Bstard12 (talk) 09:34, 31 January 2011 (UTC)
 * What you consider in-depth trivia clearly is considered the historical impact and technical specifications that are relevant to the lay reader.— Ryūlóng ( 竜龙 ) 10:07, 31 January 2011 (UTC)
 * "...like screen resolution" and? Vagueness doesn't help anybody.  « ₣M₣ »  02:06, 24 April 2011 (UTC)
 * I consider myself a layperson in this case and was trying to find basic important technical information (screen res, quality or panel type, colour depth, game control options, battery life etc.) and instead found heaps of trivia that seems to cater to the aficionado niche mostly. Total lack of basic data. Fortunately the screen resolution has been addded.--Bstard12 (talk) 02:26, 8 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Instead? Its right there in the first 3 paragraphs of hardware. Sounds like a "didnt feel like reading, i wanted a giant chart and you didnt have it"  « ₣M₣ »  18:11, 8 October 2011 (UTC)

Bigger?
I think this article could be a little bigger,so if anyone who owns a DSi could help please help. Ethanate1 (talk) 22:44, 1 July 2011 (UTC)


 * Bigger does not equal better. Owning a DSi does not make one's additions verifiable information. — HELL KNOWZ  ▎TALK 12:27, 3 July 2011 (UTC)
 * ok :-*)Ethanate1 (talk) 06:04, 13 July 2011 (UTC)