Talk:Nintendo Points

Question and source?
Flamecondor 09:02, 28 September 2006 (UTC)OK I'm just wondering that first part where it talks about you getting Wii Points everytime you buy a game is there any proof of this, I'm pretty sure I haven't heard this said anywhere before. If someone can put in a link to where it has been said that would be great.
 * It's not Wii Points. It's Star Points, a Nintendo of Europe reward scheme. Every bit of firstparty software and each bit of hardware comes with a scratch-off card which reveals a code, which can be registered on the Nintendo of Europe website. This gets you some wallpapers or screensavers or something for download, and adds some Stars to your total. The stars can currently be redeemed for more downloadable screensavers or wallpapers or whatever, and occasionally for something like an actual game or a poster. There are plans afoot to let you exchange Stars Points for Wii Points.Sockatume 20:08, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

I, dimensinalism, agree with flamecondor on many levels.

I am dissappointed somewhat in the Wii's ability to put out their merchandise. I think that hey should do three things. One, make use of the useless USB ports on the console. It would be beneficial for those of whom have jump drives to upload songs and documents and such on the console. THat would be a great improvement and benefit for the system's selling. Two, if they fix up the speaker on the Wiimote, the Wii player's will also be more drawn in to play the game. Three, if the creaters of the Wii could just ask people about any possible improvements and upgrades with the Wii, more people will buy it.

Not really sure, but how else would you get Wii Points? and What is that card for? In the NYC, Reggie did say something about earning points from your cash (something like ONE POINT = TEN CENTS)

Flamecondor: I dunno I would of thought you would have to buy them flat out, as cool as I think getting free Wii points for buy a game is, it just dosen't seem right that Nintendo would be giving us this stuff for free, lets face it, going by how it is on the page, every time you buy a Wii game would be able to also get 5 N64 games for the Virtual Console. That just dosen't seem right, however putting $50 on your Wii Points card seems more likely. Could you at least proved a link to were Reggie stated the ONE POINT = TEN CENTS line. All I'm asking for is some proof, not speculation.


 * He said it in the press conference, you can find it in IGN or in Youtube, but the equivalent prices has changed now, ONE DOLLAR EQUALS ONE HUNDRED Wii Points. (74.111.14.37 22:44, 4 October 2006 (UTC))

Sources and Updating
I have redone a bit of the formatting, but may somebody please give links and update all information to make sure it's up to date. → &ensp; N i  n  t  e  n  d  o  n  i  e  n  00:02, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

WARGH! Dude, shorten your sig. Put it in a template. On topic, I agree.Chwoka

Arbitrage
What's to stop someone buying a whole suitcase full of 5000-point cards in Japan and then selling them in Europe for a tidy profit that's still well below the going rate in euros? (EUR/JPY ≈ 150, EUR/WII = 100, JPY/WII = 1)  Neon    Merlin   13:04, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Quite a lot, the Wii Points themselves are region-locked. This brings in an interesting matter for those importing consoles. To use the Virtual Console feature they must acquire points for the region their console is from. ((. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.12.176.13 (talk • contribs)
 * Please sign your comments. Sd31415   ( Talk )
 * According to the current article, there is price fluctuation even within some regions, at least if "region" means "DVD region". Since the article doesn't actually define what regions it's talking about, all the information about it is vague and useless. --76.217.82.113 (talk) 06:28, 9 December 2007 (UTC)

USD Equivalent
Why do we need this? I don't want to just go and delete it, but isn't this row a little against the attempted globalization of Wikipedia?«» bd I'm cool! I'm cocky ! I'm bad! 21:49, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Although I take your point, it does allow for comparisons between regions. I say leave it... DAllardyce 16:53, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
 * I've added a euro-equivalent row to the table. I think it's reasonable to show comparative pricing in common currency (as an example, BBC News normally converts currency amounts to USD and EUR. Also goes to show how much extra we pay in the UK :( DAllardyce 16:33, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
 * I'm lazy so can somebody add the JPY equivalent? Thanks. :)--Revth 05:37, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Added GDP equivalent, seeing as how it's the worlds most valuable currency. :) 88.111.57.96 00:28, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

Country Specific?
Are you sure the Wii Point Cards aren't region specific? Because we live in Canada and for X-mas got our American Nephew a Wii point card, and that worked for him fine... --Phred Levi 19:46, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

Canada and the US are both at North America. Therefore, the Wii units, and its products are the exactly the same. Including the Wii Points Card. So you can buy a Wii Points card from the US and use it in any region in North America. Even Canada. If you use it on Wii from the UK or other countries, it may not work. Munchlax 22:30, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

But that is only speculation, Munchlax. Do you have solid proof that you cant just buy your Wii Points card in the US, import it to the UK and thereby save a lot of cash?--83.135.105.246 14:59, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

Yes, I have proof. The next time you buy a Wii Points Card, look at the back of the package and it should say "For sale and use only in USA and Canada." Munchlax 00:18, 27 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Last time I checked, Mexico is also in North America. Mexican Wii Points are not compatible with US Wii Points. So your original post is wrong, isn't it? Yeah. Thanks for playing. --76.217.82.113 (talk) 06:29, 9 December 2007 (UTC)


 * Looks like I might have been wrong about the "North America" part, but I'm still right about the part where American Points Card will work on a Canadian Wii, or vise versa. If you don't believe me, go to either the US or Canada, find a Wii Points Card, and look in the back. It should say "For sale and use only in USA and Canada." Munchlax (talk) 23:07, 12 December 2007 (UTC)


 * I can confirm that for a fact too. I received a gift from a US friend who bought the card in store in the US.--AlphaTwo 02:23, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

Cards
Where can you buy the Wii Points Cards and how much do they cost? Ilikevideogames 16:36, 10 February 2007 (UTC)
 * That info is in the article. Geoff B 16:48, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

Taxes
I think there should be a section in the article regarding taxes (wheather you need to pay taxes or not when purchasing Wii Points online ). I heared that you need to pay a small amount of taxe depening on your region. 74.111.14.37 03:07, 24 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Yes, that's out of the ordinary. --Chris Griswold (  ☎  ☓  ) 09:05, 24 February 2007 (UTC)
 * The "Microsoft Points" page has an article about taxes. So I think that a tax section in the Wii Points page isn't a bad idea at all. 74.111.14.37 00:07, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
 * It does seem notable, otherwise saying it's $10 for 1000 might be lying somewhat. I live in Nova Scotia, Canada and was charged 14% HST making 1000 points cost $11.40 (American) --Phred Levi 17:54, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

I don't know for sure about taxes. Logically, though, I think if you buy the points in a store and your area has sales tax, that would apply normally as with any other purchase, ie...in Pennsylvania you might have to pay $21.20 for 2000 wii points, but in Deleware, where there are no sales taxes, it would be $20. This is speculation, though, and can't be added to the article until proven...
 * I live in New Jersey, at the beginning of the service I didn't have to pay tax on point purchasing through the console. Today I purchased 1000 to buy F-Zero and it added the 7% tax to the bill. Does anyone know what happened? 71.255.14.245 03:26, 15 July 2007 (UTC)
 * This point is important because it may make the price comparisons in the table somewhat unfair if some of them include the local equivilent of sales tax (e.g. VAT in the EU) and others don't. Plugwash 22:52, 5 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Taxes really don't need to be in the article. Especially when it changes so much from place to place. In California, or at least for me, I prefer to buy my points through the Shop Channel since there is no tax. $20 is $20. LN3000 05:32, 6 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Would it suffice to have a single sentence that local/state sales tax may be charged depending on your region? &mdash; KieferSkunk (talk) &mdash; 18:48, 6 August 2007 (UTC)
 * For what it's worth, when buying Wii points in Canada, we get charged GST/PST/HST in US dollars. According to Revenue Canada, this is the way it should be across the board when buying in the US and Shipping to Canada.  Even though it's an 'Intangible Electronic Good.'  Nintendo is obligated to charge GST/PST and remit that to the Govt.  However, where it gets shady is that they only need to remit the amount in CAD.  Not the USD that they are charging us if we buy the points online.  This is according to the GST adjudicator I spoke with.  800-O-CANADA is the number and then you go through the bouncy bounce of getting to Revenue Canada and then a GST adjudicator.  Cheers.  —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Special:Contributions/ (talk)

Let me explain about US sales tax, since apparently nobody here understands it. The consumer does not pay sales tax. The seller does. That's why "sales tax" isn't just a clever name. There's a reason it's not called "purchase tax". Business in the US are not required by any law to add anything to their listed prices in deference to sales tax. If they wanted to charge you exactly $50 for a dongle instead of $49.99 + $2.45 (4.9% national average), they could do that. The business pays sales tax totally irrespective of what they charge you. Business do not pay sales tax per purchase. They pay it as a percentage of total sales. When they list their prices as "pre-tax prices" they are lying to you, deceptively making their prices less than they actually are. They suggest to you that you have to pay tax on your purchases, when in fact you don't. They are saying, in essence, "please pay us extra money because we pay tax on this transaction and you don't." In addition to that, this article is about Wii Points, not the taxation of Wii Points. If other countries require consumers to pay taxes on things they purchase, that sucks for them, but it's irrelevant to this article. That has nothing directly to do with Wii Points or any other particular commodity. It would apply to every commodity in that region, wouldn't it? --76.217.82.113 (talk) 06:39, 9 December 2007 (UTC)

Questions
Are those star points in video games sold in America?

Nope only Europe. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Special:Contributions/ (talk)

Adding Points
After you add Wii Points, the Wii Points Card expires and can no longer be redeemed. --PJ Pete
 * Thanks for the update. I wasn't aware that debit cards couldn't be cashed in more than once before you said something. I am shocked and appalled. Hint for the slow: If they could be used more than once their price per point would be 0 and you'd be paying for the medium only. Around here we call that "free". --76.217.82.113 (talk) 06:42, 9 December 2007 (UTC)

Microsoft Points?
Do we REALLY need to add Microsoft Points in the See Also section? Some anonymous IP keeps adding them in. LN3000 04:24, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
 * It's relevant and useful. Edit warring over petty and small things isn't helping matters. RobJ1981 17:54, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Technically it's not an edit war. It's been 3 edits over a couple of days. I stand by my opinion that Microsoft Points don't belong in the See Also list. LN3000 23:00, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Edit warring can be spread out in a timeframe of days, so get your facts straight next time. I see no good reason why a similar thing shouldn't be in a see also section, so it should stay. RobJ1981 00:43, 27 July 2007 (UTC)
 * I'm sorry you feel that way. I reckon otherwise. LN3000 00:48, 27 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Seeing as you havent provided a decent reason, I've requested protection on the page. Even if the protection doesn't pass, I will be reporting you for 3RR as I can imagine you will revert and revert more. Refusing to discuss much, and being difficult isn't helping anything, so why continue to be that way? RobJ1981 00:51, 27 July 2007 (UTC)
 * I have not, and will not, violate the 3RR. I have NOT refused to discuss. You have always been a hypocrite with the finger pointing, Rob. LN3000 00:59, 27 July 2007 (UTC)
 * I don't see what the problem is, the See Also should be used to point towards articles that would give you more information on a subject. Microsoft Points are totally different from Wii Points, and really won't be that useful to a reader who wants to learn about "Wii Points". If you are talking about the TV Remote you don't see a See Also link to Wii Remote, because it's not relevant. LN3000 01:08, 27 July 2007 (UTC)
 * I agree with LN3000 . I'm contacting an admin to remove it from the list, every person (bar 1) has agreed. Dalejenkins | The Apprentice (UK)'s FA plea-please have your say! 11:11, 27 July 2007 (UTC)
 * They seem pretty similar. Both online-only currencies, both used to buy things for a console.  Geoff B 11:26, 27 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Nice try Dale, but protection doesn't simply end that quick. Nothing has been resolved. Lamename and you are against the see also link, myself and Geoff are for it. That's certainly no consensus or anything. As I said before: one see also link (on a relevant subject) doesn't harm the article. Even if Geoff hadn't posted: a simple 2 to 1 vote doesn't break the protection either. Read up on policies next time, before assuming you can simply end the protection because you claim it's over because only one person isn't agreeing. RobJ1981 21:14, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

Can we now agree to leave Microsoft Points out of the article? LN3000 18:38, 28 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Nope. It's a decent similar thing, that should be listed in the see also section. There is no rule against listing Microsoft things in Nintendo articles (or vice versa). I'm a little surprised you don't want this part gone as well: WiiWare Starting in early 2008, Nintendo will allow indie developers to release software on the Wii Shop Channel. Nintendo will decide the price of the software. This is similar to Xbox Live Arcade, and the PlayStation Network store.[9] Oh no! It lists Nintendo's competition, we better erase it, because it's a Nintendo only article (Yes I'm being sarcastic). I see no good reason why Microsoft Points can't stay in the see also section, it does no harm and it's relevant. RobJ1981 21:52, 28 July 2007 (UTC)

You don't have to be an ass about it, Rob. LN3000 04:32, 29 July 2007 (UTC)


 * I vote for keeping the link. The two currencies are very similar, they have to do with very similar services and similar concepts - they are relevant to one another.  If you want to go toward speculation, you could also speculate that the concept of Wii Points was based on the Microsoft Points concept. &mdash; KieferSkunk (talk) &mdash; 22:30, 28 July 2007 (UTC)


 * That link is useful and there is no reason to remove it other then not mentioning a competitor (which would just be fanboyish). They are very similar products. Besides there's already a link to this Wii Points article on that Microsoft Points page, so what is the problem? SeanMooney 01:34, 29 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Well I think this is a pretty clear consensus: most people want the link. Unless someone does it sooner, I'm going to ask for the page to be unprotected tomorrow. RobJ1981 02:09, 29 July 2007 (UTC)


 * I really disagree, but obviously I'm "outnumbered". LN3000 04:32, 29 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Do you feel that see also shouldn't link to things that are related only in that they're similar, LN3000? Don't think that nobody's listening. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 04:36, 29 July 2007 (UTC)
 * I always thought See Also's should be used for articles that would help the user understand more of the topic, in relationship to the topic, or to show a difference between things that might get confused. I guess you are trying to relate it via the latter. LN3000 06:51, 29 July 2007 (UTC)
 * The argument to have the see also link is to provide necessary context, to show that multiple similar schemes exist at the same time. It's like having "See also: Coke" in Pepsi. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 06:55, 29 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Regarding the "See Also" helping the user understand the topic: I completely agree with this idea, but it seems we disagree on the context in which it helps the user. To my eye, "Microsoft Points" are related to "Wii Points" in that the overall topic is "online currency", or more broadly, "online download services via game consoles".  Wii Points pertain to Wii Shop in the same exact way that Microsoft Points pertain to Xbox Live - thus, if the Wii Shop article has a link to Xbox Live as a See Also, it makes sense for Wii Points to link to Microsoft Points as well.
 * I see what you're saying, LN3000, and your explanation definitely helps us all assume good faith in your edits. It's an excellent argument for organizing the See Also links in order of relevance - it makes sense to put Wii-related links at the top, followed by links to competing services.  But in the interest of maintaining a broad and balanced view, the See Also links shouldn't focus exclusively on just one company when other companies offer similar products.  (Don't have the exact WP link for this.) &mdash; KieferSkunk (talk) &mdash; 17:12, 29 July 2007 (UTC)
 * The Guide to Layout covers this pretty well. Dancter 17:50, 29 July 2007 (UTC)

If you guys need an admin to keep an eye on things and unprotect when it's wound down, I'm watching this discussion. I'll unprotect when I think the likelihood for edit warring has passed. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 02:19, 29 July 2007 (UTC)
 * At this point, I think only LN will remove the see also link (when the page gets unprotected). If that's the case, that will show he isn't being civil about this. Other than him, I don't see any problems. Dalejenkins hasn't posted again (and I somehow think he just posted to disagree with me, because I disagreed with him in an AFD debate), perhaps I'm being paranoid. It seems a little fishy, that he posted once then never posted again here. RobJ1981 22:21, 29 July 2007 (UTC)
 * (Rolleyes) Why do you assume that I am going to be 'uncivil' and continue to revert the article when it's unprotected, and it's obvious that the discussion has decided to keep the link? You really are a hypocrate. LN3000 03:14, 30 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Rob and LN3000, both of you should step back and observe WP:NPA. Keep it civil, please. &mdash; KieferSkunk (talk) &mdash; 05:28, 30 July 2007 (UTC)

There has been no more disscussion either way since July 30, can we finish this arguement so that the page can be unprotected.→ 0 4 1 7 4 4  15:05, 9 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Protection has been reduced. Let's all try to get along and write an encyclopedia. Cheers. --MZMcBride 02:41, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

Edit request
editprotected —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Superjustinbros. (talk • contribs).
 * Please explain what edit you would like make. &mdash; Malcolm (talk) 01:31, 28 July 2007 (UTC)
 * I'm going to pull the template till they know what they want edited. The edit protected cat already has a backlog. -- Ned Scott 06:03, 29 July 2007 (UTC)

Microsoft points #2
Microsoft Points are almost the same as Wii Points, and are relevant to the article. It seems that wanting to take out the link to "Microsoft Points" was only motivated by fanboyism and not by real "non-notability." They're both types of points, and are both used to pay for things online with consoles. How much more related do they have to be? I'm sorry, but the link should just be added and this edit war ended promptly.--ZXCVBNM 22:31, 28 July 2007 (UTC)

Remove notes on price table
The table list only the defualt price, as thus we should not note every price variant or the table will grow vastly to large, could some please remove it, becuase as of now the page is locked from me to edit.→ 0 4 1 7 4 4  00:59, 31 July 2007 (UTC)
 * I agree. When the article is unprotected, someone can take care of that. LN3000 04:45, 31 July 2007 (UTC)
 * I disagree we could put a limited ammount of prices to show an overview of currency. Uch  iha  23  05:52, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

Requesting page edit to either remove the unneeded price variants, or to unprotect the page. LN3000 18:22, 12 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Note, talking about the "Virtual Console Price" list, not the "Wii Point Prices," unless I'm interpreting this wrong. LN3000 18:25, 12 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Yes, I am talking about the "Virtual Console Price" list, not the "Wii Point Prices" just to clarify.→ 0 4 1 7 4 4  12:22, 13 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Protection has been reduced. Cheers. --MZMcBride 02:39, 14 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Thank You!, ah, finally I can edit this page again.→ 0 4 1 7 4 4  05:57, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

"See Also" Requested Edit
I think in the See Also section we should put Wii, and Virtual Console. Cause it's useful to understand the console it self and what the points are used on.. Uch iha  23  05:51, 11 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Putting those links in the See Also is not necessary, as they are already linked, in context, in the body of the article already. LN3000 18:20, 12 August 2007 (UTC)

Should the "Metroid Prime 3 Preview" Channel be mentioned?
In the Pricing -> Channels section, both the "Internet Channel" and the "Everybody Votes Channel" was mentioned. Do ya think that the Metroid Prime 3 Preview should be mentioned, even though it doesn't really add much to Wii Points? 99.245.71.154 02:01, 15 August 2007 (UTC)
 * I don't actually think that any of the specific "channels" should be mentioned in this article. We already have an article where listing the various channels that have been released would be more appropriate (namely, Wii Menu and/or Wii Shop). &mdash; KieferSkunk (talk) &mdash; 06:26, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

WiiWare
I think WiiWare is being released earlier than 2008 meaning this year. I heard it from thewiire.com Could someone check this again? 70.107.81.179 23:02, 27 August 2007 (UTC)


 * The "official" launch is in 2008, but one of the Nintendo executives stated that if games are ready, the service could potentially launch in late 2007. Zomic_13 15:40, 28 September 2007 (UTC)

Point Limit Per Wii
I think it should be mentioned that there is a limit as to how many points can be credited to a single Wii system at any given time. I'm not sure what that limit is, so I can't add this information, myself, but I'm sure somebody else out there knows the limit. If you could, please add this information to the article. It's pretty relevant and could help those researching Wii points decide on when to add points to their Wii system, so as not to overlap too many points. -D14BL0 19:42, 13 September 2007 (UTC)


 * If you don't know what the limit is, how do you know there is a limit? Zomic_13 15:39, 28 September 2007 (UTC)


 * The Wii says it after you redeem points.→ 0 4 1 7 4 4  18:08, 6 October 2007 (UTC)
 * The limit is 20,000 points. Keyboard mouse (talk) 01:57, 30 April 2010 (UTC)

Merge discussion
I am proposing a merge discussion on several Wii articles - the discussion to be, however, what to merge and where. If anyone would like to join in, please go to Talk:Wii. - A Link to the Past (talk) 17:52, 28 October 2007 (UTC)

Opps
I kinda messed up the page and don't know how to fix it. I was trying to remove the citation needed thing about the credit card. Claycrow 15:16, 15 November 2007 (UTC)

Fixed it. Please be careful on your edits, especially if edit conflicts occur. --208.138.31.76 17:03, 15 November 2007 (UTC)

Lock this article
It appears that vandals are partially blanking this page, so it needs to be locked.

"almost a year after the intial announcement"
This part of the introduction strikes me as a bit weasel wordy. A reader can see for themselves the amount of time between the announcement of Stars-for-Points and the eventual implementation of the scheme, so the addition of this phrase seems to be nothing but an implicit criticism of that delay, which is not particularly encyclopaedic. I suggest removing the phrase. Kelvingreen (talk) 18:13, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

Nintendo Points
I don't think I'll be able to work on it myself, but the article should probably be generalized and moved in light of the Nintendo's announcement of the DSi Shop. Dancter (talk) 16:58, 2 October 2008 (UTC)

The broken reference link
I Googled the bad link. It is http://www.mcvuk.com/news/31919/DSi-digital-content-shop-announced, not http://www.mcvuk.com/news/31919/DS-digital-content-shop-announced. One missing I. 99.27.132.205 (talk) 01:59, 25 June 2009 (UTC)Anonymous

Code length?
Is there an area in the article that specifies a particular length (or lengths) of the redeeming codes? Mechamind90 (talk) 02:31, 15 September 2009 (UTC)

Price of points relative to USD?
We need a chart comparing the relative cost of points for different regions, similar to this chart for Microsoft points. Frostnova (talk) 01:02, 2 January 2010 (UTC)