Talk:Nintendo Wi-Fi Connection/Archive 1

PDF Operation Manual link is broken
This should be fixed. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.245.106.98 (talk) 01:05, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

The "problem" with Friend Codes
The text of the article states that friend codes are problematic and subject to criticism. However, it doesn't describe what those problems are or who has criticized these codes. Therefore, I am removing these sentences until someone provides at least some justification for them being there. 71.53.210.238 07:54, 8 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Shouldn't you have added to it then? In my opinion, it was at least a basis. the section NEEDS to be there. Almost everyone hates how the WiFi connection runs.--Scabloo 14:41, 20 May 2007 (UTC)

USB Wi-Fi Adapter
Does the Nintendo DS USB Wi-Fi adapter create a normal Wifi Hotspot? Like a wireless router does? If so, can I also use the PSP to go online with it? I have both the DS and PSP, and I'm looking for a cheap and easy way to get them online.


 * Sorry, but I don't believe so. Since the DS adapter doesn't require setup on the DS, I'm assuming it's much more specified.  In fact, it may not even work on the Rev, though that would be very un-Nintendoish, as they used the same AC adapter for the SP and DS.  UNDISCLOSED IP ADDRESS 19:30, 18 October 2005 (UTC)


 * actually, it does require a minor amount of setup on the individual DS units to access the USB wifi, as seen in this image. --Darkain Dragoon 15:17, 6 November 2005 (UTC)


 * The Nintendo USB adapter is a normal Wi-Fi device, and I would expect it to work even for laptops and PSPs. The correct settings to dial into your PSP (which would need manual configuration) might not be as easy to discover.  Your best bet is to spend a little more for an IEEE 802.11b-compatible router.  This would be assured to work with your DS, PSP, and pretty much any other Wi-Fi product you got in the future.  They're not difficult to configure.  --Nathan Haines 00:06, 22 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Wrong.. It only works with the DS, as said by nintendo. --acfan-Talk to me 00:23, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Whether or not Nintendo says it doesn't work with other things does not affect its workingness. I'm inclined to believe that it does, since the DS utilizes standard TCP and UDP. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by SheeEttin (talk • contribs) 23:11, 20 January 2007 (UTC).
 * Just about anywhere you look it says, you must have a broadband internet connection, but I have dial-up, and it works OK, so they could be lying about that, too. -FrogTape 20:32, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

Spam Links
I removed the link to NWifi because the WFC-ID on each DS is unique. They probably have them confused with "Friend Codes". the WFC-ID can be used to link your Nintendo DS unit to your "My Nintendo" account on Nintendo.com. --Darkain Dragoon 00:49, 14 November 2005 (UTC)

This was my bad, I changed it to friend codes after someone pointed this out to me. I was wondering if we could add it back. &mdash;The preceding unsigned comment was added by 216.68.220.51 (talk &bull; contribs).

Servers?
Does anyone know the server(s) and port(s) used for WFC? I imagine one or the other, or both, differs by game, but... Anyway, I want to know so I can track down why I can connect to my router but not to WFC (from Animal Crossing: Wild World) Thanks! &mdash;The preceding unsigned comment was added by 205.213.6.3 (talk &bull; contribs).

802.11b and WPA
 'The Nintendo DS supports WEP encryption but (because it is an 802.11b device) not WPA.'  I'm not convinced that 802.11b devices cannot use WPA with the right firmware; my Pocket PC is 802.11b and can connect to my WPA network fine. It appears to be simply that Nintendo did not add WPA support. -- Mithent 03:23, 18 December 2005 (UTC)

I think the matter of what encryption the Wii supports to connect should be included. I don't know this, but I imagine that whether or not the Wii supports WPA- unlike the DS should be mentioned. I don't know if it does, and could not find the answer on the article, there are probably many people like myself who would like to know. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 69.115.171.228 (talk • contribs) 02:05, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

The Wii Supports WPA, WEP and WPA2 etc... they showed it on an IGN video, I have a screenshot but I don't know if that can be used as a source or not.

Canada Wi-Fi Access
Isn't Nintendo partnering with FatPort ( http://www.fatport.com/ ) to provide access in Canada? -- Duey

Merge from Friend codes
The article Friend codes was listed for deletion at Articles for deletion/Friend codes where the result was to merge its contents here. If you think it's useful, please add the information at an appropriate place in this article, thanks. - Bobet 11:36, 7 March 2006 (UTC)


 * I just redirected the article to the actual section. For some reason it had not been done properly. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Agahnim (talk • contribs)

Idea to stop external link competition
The Friend Code-Exchanging Communities section seems problematic when you look at it's history. It's a frequent target of both link spam and vandal editing. Would organizing this data into a comparison table with a feature list, member count, and maybe a brief description help deter (or possibly prevent) the spam and vandal editing? This is a frequent problem, and there has to be a solution that will satisfy everyone and prevent this general rivalry sillyness. Perhaps a table with basic info on each site will appeal to all the communities so they'll stop moving links above or in place of one another. In addition, this will provide readers an easy chart to reference the sites with--whereas they would likely click on the first link in the list previously (a cause for vandal editing), readers can now decide which community is right for them.

Here's a possible demo:

Any opinions on this? Is it flat out unnecessary? I may go ahead and add this to see how it turns out; feel free to revert it if there are any negative comments. --echelon talk 08:15, 14 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Good idea but no. Wikipedia is not a link depository nor an advertisement. What you suggest just shows off the links and advertises which is best. Just remove all friend code links if this keeps up. Jedi6  -(need help?)  20:34, 14 March 2006 (UTC)
 * That seems really harsh. I know Wikipedia is not a link repository, however many of these websites have incredible alexa ratings, google backlinks, etc. and play a very important role in the community. I think you're making a grave mistake by choosing to remove a very valid and shaping part of Nintendo's emergent online community. Doubtless, even Nintendo is watching these communities with very careful eyes. I was even recommended to create an article on these communites alone by Adrian Lamo, but I feel that would be a bit redundant when we can just have it here. In any manner, this section of the article has been around since Atomic_Cosmos added it on the seventh of February. It hasn't been a cause for concern since then, and throughout your many previous edits! I took action to organize this section (in an effort to stop the vandalism), and then alone did you object to that section's inclusion. I don't understand why only now it has become a concern. Was it the table that looked ugly? Simply revert it then! Anyway, if you feel this is the way it must be, then I must suggest that you also remove the link to the Friend Code wiki as well. As you said, wikipedia is not a "link depository", and preserving that link amounts to favoritism. I would like some more opinion on this matter. --echelon talk 02:38, 15 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Sorry I was probably a little harsh on this. Keep the biggest Alexa rated links but don't put it in a table. The table advertizes which link is biggest and more popular which will just increase the link wars. Jedi6  -(need help?)  20:22, 15 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Okay, that makes sense. I've got the traffic specs of the sites that were there previously here: Alexa rankings: DSmeet.com - 96,758, NintendoFriends.com - 177,896, WiTendoFi.com - 410,220, DS-Play.com - 675,225, WifiNintendo.com - 1,696,273, FriendCodes.com - 1,940,953, Wifico.net - 2,673,443, DSconnect.com - 3,894,470. Google results for "Sitename.com": DSmeet.com - 72,300, DS-Play.com - 654, WiTendoFi.com - 627, Nintendofriends.net - 404, WifiNintendo.com - 95, FriendCodes.com - 60, Wifico.net - 43, DSconnect.com - 11. I'll only list the top four (DSmeet, NintendoFriends, WitendoFi, and DS-Play), and then I'll make a note for anyone who wants to add further links to discuss it here on the Talk page first. --echelon talk 21:04, 15 March 2006 (UTC)

What exactly does "Alexa Rankings" or "Google Site" rankings have to do with anything? Somebody came up with this idea because it only benefits their site a couple others. I can see if people were posting links to sites that only have thrown a forum up and nothing else, but we have full communities each with it's own unique features. &mdash;The preceding unsigned comment was added by 12.219.139.67 (talk &bull; contribs).


 * Please read Google_test thoroughly to understand where I was coming from when I made that point. Wikipedia cannot include every community here in the external links section! I made a call to list only the top four websites because I felt Jedi6 had a point. If we included the top five, then I assume FriendCodes.com (which you continue to add in various articles sporadically, per your edit history) could be included. I think this should be considered by others though, and not someone as biased as yourself. Four websites is already an awful lot to include. --echelon talk 00:57, 20 March 2006 (UTC)

Actually, echelon, the only place I have added friendcodes.com is on the external links section. I am not sure who added it to other sections. I have made edits to other sections that I felt were not appropriate. As far as being biases, take alook at what you are saying here. I think your opinion would be much diferent if your website was not in these "rankings" that you consider to be the governing authority of what gets added here. &mdash;The preceding unsigned comment was added by 12.219.139.67 (talk &bull; contribs).


 * I have no problem with you adding your website to this list, but only after a consensus has been reached on what is tollerable. After you add yours someone else will want to add their own website, and so on. When will it ever end? At some point we have to put a limit on it and say, "that's enough." Jedi6 and I have discussed using Alexa rankings to order and limit the list so we have a definitive standard on when we can tell someone they cannot add their website. (This is beginning to become absurd...) If you had read the comments on the section with external links, you would have consulted us first. It reads:
 * Please do not add any more links here, as they will be removed. Discuss the inclusion of new websites on the Talk page, plase.
 * I think there could be a spot for your website to go in place of the NintendoFriends.net website, since the owner of that website is closing the community. But you must respect the other communities and not edit yourself into second place without any sort of regard for the logic behind the list. The list is ordered and limited to prevent spam. And there has to be a point where we do place a limit on it. What I will do now is put you into the fourth position and remove NintendoFriends from the list. There obviously remains much more need for discussion on this matter. If it becomes too big of an issue, I will go along with Jedi6's original assessment and remove the section outright. It's becoming a rediculous event. --echelon talk 01:43, 20 March 2006 (UTC)

I apologize echelon, I had no idea you were the person in charge of what does and does not get added here. I will make sure I check with your before adding anything in the future.


 * I am not in charge of anything that gets added! Wikipedia is a democratic system (for the most part). What is important is that you discuss this change with others--and no consensus has yet been reached--so that you don't appear to be link-spamming. No hard feelings. As I said earlier, I think since your site (FriendCodes.com) is ranked fifth that it can go in place of NintendoFriends.net. But I do not want any more of this drama! I will not be a part of it, and I'll leave the maintaining of this problematic section to more stringent editors who would sooner see the section removed altogether. --echelon talk 02:13, 20 March 2006 (UTC)

Can we just put all the sites in alphabetical order? Then just add an unbiased description of what the main audience is (for example, hardcore gamers). I think that ranking the sites is way to subjective, and we shouldn't even attempt to. --robert talk 16:26, 21 March 2006 (EST)

I think the best way to handle this is to not allow any external links at all. None of these sites listed explain what Nintendo WiFi Connection is, and are only there to benefit the webmaster(s) of those sites. External links should be official sources only, not fan sites or web site looking to benefit from it's listing here.

Any website that is not widely known in the gaming community as an official source of information should not be listed. Websites that are not official, especially those with have sponsors or advertisements on their web page where the webmaster can financially benefit from its listing should not be allowed to be listed.

I do not consider dsmeet or any other site in the external links section an official source of anything, regardless of Google rankings, and I don't think anybody else other than the webmasters of that site would either.


 * I eliminated the links. I could find no reason to keep it under External links policy. Since Wikipedia suggests to limit the amount of external links and that they did not help make the article I got rid of them. Jedi6  -(need help?)  01:46, 22 March 2006 (UTC)


 * Entirely understandable. I think you made the right call. --echelon talk 08:45, 22 March 2006 (UTC)

I thought all external links were to be removed? But I see friendcodes.com is back up. Unless wikipedia.org is somehow endorsing friendcodes.com or is in some kind of partnership with friendcodes.com, I see no reason why friendcodes.com should be the only site up. Therefore I am going to add NintendoWFC.com back up. If anyone feels the section should be removed, then of course I understand. But if it is there, I do not understand how you can discriminate against my site. Furthermore, the arguement about ads is not correct. NintendoWFC.com shows ads but that is only to cover the hosting cost. Actually it doesnt even do that. Last month ads only brought in $1.11!!! lol! People who go to a site to exchange codes are not likely to click ads to buy stuff since they didn't go there to shop. External Links do help visitors because they may not be aware that sites like NintendoWFC.com and FriendCodes.com exist. (For the record, I have nothing agaist FriendCodes.com. It is a very nice site.) Nintendowfc 04:55, 13 November 2006 (UTC)


 * What about a vote-in like what I did to curtail link spam at urban exploration?  Seicer  (talk) (contribs) 05:32, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

Nintendo Wi-Fi Set-Up Screens
The Nintendo Wi-Fi Set-Up Screens DON'T WORK! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 205.251.185.116 (talk • contribs)

Pokemon Diamond/Pearl Support
I removed Pokemon Diamond/Pearl support because there is no evidence of this whatsoever, and because it is purely speculative. I think it is likely, due to the fact that Nintendo introduced wireless play with Pokemon fire red/leaf green, that they will us NWFC with these games, but once again, no evidence. User:alexbrewer
 * Actually IGN had an article on that fact that it will have online over the summer. Jedi6  -(need help?)  02:19, 25 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Nice info! Got any links? :) --echelon talk 07:44, 27 April 2006 (UTC)
 * serebii.net recently released information concerning D&P wi-fi. -- ~PinkDeoxys~ 18:34, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

Wii and Nintendo Wi-Fi Connection
In case anyone wants to add this info in or use this as a link (unsure what you guys prefer), here's what IGN has: http://revolution.ign.com/articles/707/707865p1.html Ladlergo 19:50, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

Other Wi-Fi Connection Games
Would anyone object to having Naruto RPG 3 and Final Fantasy III added to the list of Wi-Fi enabled games? Links here and here --Lugios 03:06, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

Cheating
Should a section be added concerning the recent cheating on games like Mario Kart DS and Metroid Prime Hunters? You know, people 'hacking' MKDS to play shoter courses online and the recent trainer released for MPH? I know for a fact that there are some in the community who are rather upset with these developments. --Thaddius 12:23, 4 July 2006 (UTC)

Free Browser
Should a section be added adressing that a free browser will be out on July 24? I just read about it on gamespot.com. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 68.117.143.21 (talk • contribs) 20:13, 9 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Probably not in this article. I'm pretty sure that the browser for DS does not utilize the Nintendo Wi-Fi Connection service. Note that Nintendo Wi-Fi Connection refers specifically to Nintendo's online networking service, and not Wi-Fi connections in general. Dancter 21:05, 9 July 2006 (UTC)


 * The browser itself isn't free, and internet access for it is only free at wi-fi enabled DS demo kiosks, NOT Nintendo WiFi Partnership hotspots in cafes etc. Sockatume 18:28, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

Captive Portal Work-around for Windows systems
I devised a way to work around the fact that captive portal wireless Internet systems disallow use of the NDS WFC component. Normally, due to the fact that, although the NDS contains a TCP/IP control stack it lacks a HTTP-compatible browser, it cannot be authenticated by captive portal systems as most require human interface with the system, generally to accept certain terms and conditions. However, by accessing the ipconfig utility through the command prompt, you can assign the NDS (through the WiFi Connection Setup utility) to use the IP address, gateway, subnet mask and DNS servers already in use by an authenticated machine already on the network. This allows the NDS to bypass the captive portal system entirely; the system "recognizes" the NDS as the system already in use and allows it through. I have confirmed that this works for Metroid Prime: Hunters.


 * WARNING: Doing this will kick the computer off the network; to fix this, you must use the ipconfig command again three-four times: once with the /flushdns switch, once with the /release * switch, once with the /renew * switch, and once more with the /registerdns switch. After doing this, the computer will once again be able to access the network.  The effect of releasing/renewing the IP settings to the NDS are unknown at this point. Have fun, everyone!  --HubHikari 21:35, 9 July 2006 (UTC)

"Leaked Information"
Regarding last revert: Please note that this is not an encylopedia for leaked or unsourced information. Please present evidence (in discussion) with approperiate citations.  Seicer  (talk) 22:31, 19 July 2006 (UTC)


 * Seicer, the information concerning the NDS workaround is only "unsourced" in the sense that it hasn't been reported on a news site. I have tried it myself, and it works.  I don't have pictures, if that's what you mean by "evidence."  --HubHikari 13:47, 20 July 2006 (UTC)


 * Oops, my bad. Thought you were talking about the entry on this talk page...sorry.  My objection is withdrawn.  --HubHikari 13:34, 21 July 2006 (UTC)


 * I provided approperiate citations. Presenting some text with a link that "wikipedia.org had some information on a page about this new feature" is not approperiate for an encylopedia. See WP:CITE and WP:VERIFY.  Seicer  (talk) 16:18, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

Disputed
 Disputed Talk   The following sections are disputed: Games When adding your opinions, please use the bold headers "support'" or "oppose" if making a point. Please follow this up as to why you chose your specific choice. If you have a comment or question, use the bold terms "comment" and "question" where applicable. Be sure to define which issue you are referring to. This discussion will finalize on Monday, November 13th unless an extension is necessary.

I believe we should remove the games list, but leave the links to the list of DS and Wii wifi games, because of the to-be huge amount of Wii wifi games in the near future. Comments? Shanesan 06:09, 29 October 2006 (UTC)


 * Support, Seconded on this. This should be specific to the wi-fi connection in Nintendo devices, not a directory of games.  Seicer  (talk) (contribs) 06:12, 29 October 2006 (UTC)
 * I added the "support" tag to your clause, Seicer. Hope thats okay! If not, please remove it. — Shanesan  (contribs) (Talk) 15:57, 29 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Support. The separate list will be more accurate and will serve better than having a separate, integrated list. 03:21, -Ramrod? 03:22, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Support. That would indeed be much more convenient and accurate. But of course, we hope there will be a lot of online Wii games. So far I'm not seeing very many good online games coming out in 2006. :/ IeditWikipedia 03:57, 11 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Support Yes, if the amount of Wi-Fi games released each year is increased, then a list on this page could be unwieldly. UPDATE: Forgot to login before signing this... mattiator 17:42, 12 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Support per Mattiator, it's already too big, a mere link at the bottom of the page is enough. Smileman66 22:08, 12 November 2006 (UTC)


 * Support Deleting the list and adding links to said sections would save a ton of content space.

That IGN quote about Wii Codes
Whatever the source may say is misleading. If you watch the actual clip, he says "I think that..." before he starts rabbiting on about the friends codes system, so it's far from confirmed. Sockatume 18:26, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

Wi-Fi Adapter
Does the Nintendo DS USB Wi-Fi adapter create a normal Wifi Hotspot? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 86.128.64.185 (talk • contribs) 11:52, 22 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Please read the top of the page before posting. People already said no. I Am Magnus  talk  04:02, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

Ethernet Adapter
Both this page and the main Wii page claim the Wii can connect via ethernet. But this would require an ethernet adapter, and as far as I know this has not been released yet by Nintendo. A bit of searching with google doesn't come up with any good source that says Wii can connect to ethernet today.

I propose to remove the claim that Wii can connect via ethernet, or at least modify it to say that this will be possible when Nintendo releases the adapter. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Rees11 (talk • contribs) 03:44, 10 January 2007 (UTC).

Sorry about that. Rees11 03:46, 10 January 2007 (UTC)