Talk:Nip/Tuck/Archive 1

I just realized that it's probably a bad thing to put in the slash in the title of this article. I don't know what else to do, though; that's the name of the show. Any suggestions?


 * It's probably fine. See AC/DC or TCP/IP (this one redirects though) ¬ Dori 07:04, 13 Oct 2003 (UTC)

title?
What does "nip tuck" mean?
 * "nip and tuck", or "a nip here and a tuck there", or whatever, are figures of speech that refer to having plastic surgery done. -Branddobbe 06:31, Jul 5, 2004 (UTC)

Every episode guide I can find lists the second season finale as "Joan Rivers". Unless someone can provide evidence of it being "Ava Moore", I'm changing it. Mole 17:18, 27 Oct 2004 (UTC)
 * Before it was broadcast IMDb listed it as "Ava Moore", it has since been corrected there. violet/riga (t) 18:13, 27 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Cleanup
Curious: Why is the page flagged with a needs to be "cleaned up" note? What specific sections need to be cleaned up? Is there a specific format that is used for most TV show entries that we should emulate? Brian 68.7.47.6 23:34, 6 December 2005 (UTC)
 * I contacted the author who marked the page for cleanup and ask him to come by here and elaborate. Jtrost 23:47, 6 December 2005 (UTC)
 * I don't believe it was me to marked the page for cleanup. When I made my edit, I wrote 'cleanup' as my edit summary. It appears, in the page history, that the cleanup mark was added on December 6th at 2:04 by a non-user. Personally I don't think that the page needs to be cleaned, and the on-going edits are progressing quite well. Sorry for the confusion, everyone. Sixhoursago 04:23, 7 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Sorry, I saw cleanup on your edit summary and made an assumption. Unless there are people who think this article needs to be cleaned up I'd like to remove it. Jtrost 04:31, 7 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Remove it, I say. As Sixhoursago said, the edits to this page have been progressing well.  No need for the tag. Jeff Silvers 13:36, 7 December 2005 (UTC)

I knew the carver's identity but was edited when I posted about it
Yami 13:00, 1 April 2006 (UTC) Back in December I edited the page. Me and a group of people who watch the show saw that Quentin Costa was bisexual and that the Carver was known to attack both sexes. I posted under "Hints and clues to the Carver's identity"

This was my post It it thought that the Carver is the bisexual Quentin Costa. This is supported by his medical knowledge and by his raping of two males. The odds of a stright rapist knowlingly and willingly raping a same sex vitim is 100-1.

This edit was rejected saying it was "unfounded and just speculation" now i know i made a mistake and it should have started with it is and not it it. I'm also not sure if it's 100-1 or 1-100. check my contributions to see and verify that i did indeed comment upon this topic. I waited until the carver was revealed to post this. I've not had cable since December so it was hard to know when this was.

Main Characters
Why is the Carver listed as a main character? Other characters such as Liz, Gina, and Quinten seem to be playing larger roles than the Carver. Also shouldn't Annie be listed as a secondary character? Jtrost 17:10, 5 November 2005 (UTC)
 * I originally moved the Carver from the secondary characters list to main characters because, at the time, he appeared to be playing a very major role in the show (this was during the first few episodes of the third season). You're right, though, he's really a secondary character at this point. Jeff Silvers 20:31, 23 November 2005 (UTC)

An anon with the IP 212.205.253.80 created a section listing the main characters on the show. This was redundent, as these characters are listed in the two sections "Main characters" and "Other characters," which also provide descriptions. I removed the redundent list. Jeff Silvers 16:24, 10 December 2005 (UTC)

Characters (Cleanup)
Another cleanup flag without notes of what should be done. Should we remove the flag or does anybody have any ideas/guidleines for improvement? ['Brian' finally registered!] LongboardSanDiego 17:37, 14 December 2005 (UTC)
 * I would like to see this section cleaned up. I think what happened is after some episodes people would tack on a sentence at the end of each bio to update what happened to that character.  Since most main characters have their own wiki page I think it'd be best to save detailed info for that page, and just put a brief overview of the character on this page.  I think the section should also be divided into three sections: main characters, recurring characters, and previous characters.  Previous characters would be people that are no longer in the show, such as Ava, Adrian, andMerrill. Jtrost 18:11, 14 December 2005 (UTC)
 * I hear you on cutting down, and putting the main details in each character's wiki is a perfect solution. 'Previous characters' might be a bit untenable, since characters have a way of re-appearing in this show.  How about: 'Main', 'Recurring', and 'Notable Guest Stars'?  I looked at the entry for The Shield and added the bold char names - it seems to look better. LongboardSanDiego 18:48, 14 December 2005 (UTC)
 * I had some time to kill, so I broke out the detailed histories to the individual char entries, edited down the summaries, added a note about it, changed the char section subtitles to 'Main', 'Recurring', and 'Notable Guest Appearances'. The individual char entries still need a lot of work! LongboardSanDiego 20:13, 14 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Great work! However, I don't think it's necessary to have the words "Summary of" in this section because the sentence at the top says to click on links for a full bio. Jtrost 00:58, 15 December 2005 (UTC)

I'm not sure putting 'former cast' and 'villains' into their own sub-sections is necessary. I deleted the 'Former' cast, as time is not a factor in a cast list. The parens - for example: (Season 1) - show how long a recurring character was with the show.LongboardSanDiego 05:24, 20 December 2005 (UTC)

With this entry, I've tried to keep the summaries short and (as much as possible) void of spoilers, history, or extraneous detail. I think an ideal example of well written character summaries can be found in the Wiki for the Action (TV series). - LongboardSanDiego 01:42, 21 December 2005 (UTC)

Section: Real-life basis for surgeries
To whomever added this, I think it's a great idea, and I'd like to see it expanded upon. I'm going to add a section stub there for now. Jeff Silvers 02:19, 3 December 2005 (UTC)
 * 12/5/2005 - Thanks Jeff. My name's Brian, I added it. I've been adding bits and pieces to this entry, and I've been cleaning up 'The Carver' entry for the last few days.  I have another item for the Real-Life section regarding the upcoming 3.13 show that I will add after it has aired.
 * Thanks for your contributions! It'd be a good idea if you registered so you can keep track of your changes easily and also watch pages.  And don't forget to sign your comments with four tildes.  Something that I think is particularly important for a section like this is citing where you get the information from.  Thanks again! Jtrost 04:30, 6 December 2005 (UTC)
 * I will register maybe this weekend. It would be nice if someone from the show piped in with more 'Real-Life' source material! When you get a chance, check out [The Carver] article. Someone recently completely re-did the entire thing.  While I'm not sure if I like the new format (too much speculation/opinion), I figured since we'll know who it is in a few weeks, there's no use in fooling around with it now. Brian - 68.7.47.6 21:34, 6 December 2005 (UTC)
 * I've added some new entries here tonight, and I'm starting to think it should be broken off into a separate section, similar to the episode guide or issues list. Thoughts? Brian 68.7.47.6 01:51, 12 December 2005 (UTC)

Number of episodes left?
The preview for episode 42 ("Joy Kringle") that aired tonight after "Sal Perri" said that there was only one more episode left before the two-hour season finale. However, according to this article, there are two more, "Joy Kringle" and "Cherry Peck," before the season finale, "Quentin Costa." Anybody know why this is? Jeff Silvers 04:23, 7 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Could the last two episodes be airing back-to-back as one episode? I'm not sure where people get the episode titles from, but this should be clarified. Jtrost 04:32, 7 December 2005 (UTC)
 * According to niptuckfans.com, the "two-hour season finale" FX advertised is actually two separate episodes back-to-back. I'll change the date of the last episode to December 20. Jeff Silvers 04:52, 7 December 2005 (UTC)
 * We probably should clean this up and remove this part of the discussion, considering that the episodes have already aired.ArgentiumOutlaw 02:49, 23 December 2005 (UTC)

Issues addressed
This section has always bothered me because it is a meaningless list of themes that occur in the episodes. I would like to make a new article, Issues addressed in Nip/Tuck, import this list, and expand on it by talking about the story lines that address each theme. I've done an example for obesity.

Obesity
 * In episode 1.03, "Nanette Babcock", Nannette wants Sean and Christian to perform liposuction on her so she can look skinny for her 10 year high school reunion.
 * In episode 3.01, "Momma Boone", the title character is morbidly obese and has fused herself with a couch she has been sitting in for years. Sean and Christian are commissioned to surgically remove her from the couch.

Is this something that other authors would be interested in working on if I were to create the article? Jtrost 22:43, 7 December 2005 (UTC)
 * I think it's a great idea. The list has also looked out of place to me, too, but also seemed too important to remove, as dealing with sometimes controversial issues is an important part of the show. Jeff Silvers 23:04, 7 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Here's the article: Issues addressed in Nip/Tuck. I put a comment at the top of the page for people not to mark it for deletion.  I'm concerned that someone will see that it is simply a bunch of links and put up an afd.  Hopefully the comment will deter that.  I also categorized each issue, but I'd like if someone else looked over the list and make sure everything looks right.  Also there were some that I didn't know how to categorize so I put them under Other. Jtrost 23:53, 7 December 2005 (UTC)

Episode list
The episode list became lengthy after I added brief descriptions of each episode so I moved it to its own page, List of Nip/Tuck episodes. This is how many other TV show articles handle their episode list. Also other TV show articles have a screenshot from the episode accompanied with it. Is that something that anyone would be interested in collecting and adding? Jtrost 17:32, 9 December 2005 (UTC)

Regular cast members
Aren't Bruno Campos and Kelly Carlson both regular cast members now? They're all listed in the main credits along everyone else. I noticed that they were removed from the "Starring" box. --MisterHand 16:43, 21 December 2005 (UTC)

Authenticity of MySpace Profile
Is the linked-to MySpace profile the "official" profile established by the FX Networks? I'm unable to verify that this is the case after looking on fxnetworks.com. Some related articles, such as The_Carver, assert that a certain MySpace profile is indeed "official", but I can't substantiate this. I believe an out-link from the producer/network's web site to the MySpace profile would be sufficient to verify the authenticity.
 * The Carver profile is definitely legit, as they advertise it during the show. -- MisterHand 16:43, 21 December 2005 (UTC)

Peter Braunstein
There is almost 700 hits for this guy at http://news.google.com/ while only 18 hits appear to also contain the words "Nip/Tuck". All that do are tabloids and several are from the New York Daily News. Perhaps this should be removed? --87.80.42.198 00:35, 22 December 2005 (UTC)
 * The guy bought a voice altering device similar to The Carver's and the show on DVD before he attacked his victims. I think it's relevent. Jtrost 03:43, 22 December 2005 (UTC)
 * I agree that it is relevant and shouldn't be removed.ArgentiumOutlaw 02:49, 23 December 2005 (UTC)

Category:Nip/Tuck media
I created a category for Nip/Tuck media (images, etc.) As far as I can tell, I've added every relevent picture on every Nip/Tuck article to the category. If anybody uploads any more Nip/Tuck images, sound files, or movie files (...are movie files even included on Wikipedia?), please be sure to place it in Category:Nip/Tuck media. Jeff Silvers 12:10, 22 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Thanks, Jeff. We've accumulated a lot of stuff, and it's a good idea to have it all together.  Nice work. --MisterHand 14:32, 22 December 2005 (UTC)

Disputed
The show, while not strictly a soap opera, has some story arcs. In its debut season, Nip/Tuck was the highest-rated new series on basic cable, and the highest rated basic cable series of all for the 18-49 and 25-54 age demographics. The first season averaged about 3.25 million viewers an episode. Nip/Tuck is rated TV-MA, for mature audiences.

I am not sure if this applies to the UK. I watch this show in the UK. --Sunfazer 12:17, 3 January 2006 (UTC)


 * OK then, so let's just specify USA. --Golbez 15:10, 3 January 2006 (UTC)

Soap Opera
Why is the soap opera part mentioned in the article? This is a prime-time drama. It has story arcs like any other prime-time drama, including Lost, The OC, West Wing, etc. Certainly nobody would call West Wing a soap. So, why is the mention there if it then states that it's not so? It ought to be made more clear what the relevance is, or else removed. Ario 09:33, 13 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Many of the defining storylines of Nip/Tuck also appear in a stereotypical soap opera. For example, paternity tests, mistaken identity, close friends having tabooish flings, etc...  We have an entire article on Issues addressed in Nip/Tuck that covers all of this.  The OC is also a soap, and it is defined as such in the first sentence of that article.  The reason why The West Wing and Lost are not soaps are because they have larger issues that the characters deal with. Jtrost 15:51, 13 January 2006 (UTC)

Userbox
Chernicky 06:33, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Oooh, that's just awesome. :) Jeff Silvers 01:48, 22 February 2006 (UTC)
 * =D Sooo cool. KEYLAY31 hablame 06:04, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

Broadcast in other countries
In the table of countries it's broadcast in, the phrase "full translation" is used a lot. Does that mean dubbing? It should be clear. -Branddobbe 06:23, 14 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Does anyone know the answer to this question? -Branddobbe 04:23, 20 June 2006 (UTC)

Criticism section: expand
I agree that the section could be expanded, User:Jtrost. I actually don't know all that much about Nip/Tuck, and so I was surprised when I stumbled on the sources that I did (both internal and external). It was a bit unusual that the article is quite extensive, but lacking any criticism or praise sections. Speaking of which, maybe a "Praise" section or combined "Praise and Criticism" section would be a good idea, with praise from TV critics or something similar, although many awards are already listed. Let me know if you have any other thoughts on this. Ufwuct 22:06, 17 June 2006 (UTC)

Thanks to whoever brought back the info that I accidentally deleted!!! Newbie mistake, sorry.

Added to trivia section
Just added information on the other promo for season four. The one where they're attaching arms to the Venus De Milo. Levid37 03:57, 3 September 2006 (UTC)

Landau's villians?
Why are the Landau's listed as villians?

··I read on another site that they are supposed to be this season's antagonists. But for the time being I think they should be moved to minor charaters. ShadowWriter 17:20, 11 September 2006 (UTC)

After seeing tonight's episode, I would definitely classify (Michelle at least) the Landau's as villains. BigD527 03:28, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

I'm still not sure you could call her a villian. Very bussiness oriented and a black-mail victim yes.ShadowWriter 21:57, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

I stand corrected. After seeing her in this weeks episode you can now call her a villian.ShadowWriter 17:19, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

Annie McNamara
Shouldn't Annie be considers a major charather?ShadowWriter 23:07, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
 * She usually doesn't have much of a major influence on the events of the show, typically serving a marginal "contrast" role (she's really the only character who ever seems sane, especially when juxtaposed with the swirling chaos of the other characters' lives). It looks like she might be getting a pretty significant storyline involving her uncomfortability with Conor's disability, though I'm going to guess that even that will serve mostly as punctuation for a storyline involving the main players.  Right now, I'd say she isn't a main character. Jeff Silvers 16:29, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

Story parallels
I think somewhere in the article something needs to be mentioned about the story parallels. I think this is an important part of what makes the show great. I've watched the whole three seasons once, and I remember that striking me. A few I can remember:


 * 204 Mrs. Grubman - The story at Annie's puberty party parallels Kimber's experiences, so much that When Sophie is telling the story, Kimber is shown.


 * 208 Agatha Ripp - Faith is a subject for all of the characters throughtout the episode.


 * 209 Rose and Raven Rosenberg - The seperation of the twins is symbolic of the seperation of Sean and Troy separating as partners. When the twins are being re-attached, the partners reconcile.

+ many more

I'm not quite sure where to put this info. New section maybe? I'll add to the list as I go through the episodes. --Daniel Olsen 06:20, 17 September 2006 (UTC)

.Maybe you could add these to the epsiodes themselves. Most of the episodes have no story background on them whatsoever. I know there is an episode list here on Wikipedia.ShadowWriter 16:46, 19 September 2006 (UTC)
 * List of Nip/Tuck episodes. Jeff Silvers 18:44, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

Faith Wolper
Should she get her own page now? After all she just got a tattoo of Christen's name on her back.ShadowWriter 22:04, 11 October 2006 (UTC)


 * Yes, she probably should. --Cliff smith 02:40, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

A suggestion for a new section:
I was wondering if someone might consider adding a list of songs that are featured in various episodes. Perhaps this could be encorporated into the trivia section. It would be very useful for people who are trying to find out the artist and title of a song in case they want to buy the song.(Addobbi 02:54, 12 October 2006 (UTC))

Well, right now, there is a list of all the surgery music on List of Nip/Tuck episodes, but if someone wants to go and compile a list of all the music from every episode, I think that should be given its own article. Music featured on Nip/Tuck, perhaps? The list would be far too long. BigD527 05:14, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

BigD527 03:41, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
 * FYI if anybody reads this anymore, I'm in the middle of compiling this and formatting it. Expect it by the end of 2006 (hopefully...if i don't get sidetracked).


 * Okay so bored today and finished the list. Can people help start Wikifying? I'm going to start with SEASON FOUR BigD527 22:19, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

Julia: Star or not
I have yet to see episode 4x13 "Reefer". However, in 4x12 "Diana Lubey", Joely Richardson was still billed in the opening credits, despite the fact that she is likely not to appear in any future episodes. So, until her name is removed from the opening credits of the show, I feel like she should remain in the "Starring" section. Once her name disappears (and again, if it happens in 4x13 I apologize for the pre-emptive move), then we move her to formerly starring.


 * Guys, there has been no official report on Joely's supposed departure from the show. As far as we know, she is on temporary hiatus from the show. Though she didn't appear in the last four episodes, she still got star billing. She should remain until we hear something besides a report that only speculates on her future, such as a press release from Joely herself. BigD527 03:39, 15 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Julia is listed as (Seasons 1-4) on the character page, indicating that she is gone. This is based on nothing.  My question is, should we both to change it to (Seasons 1-present) or just leave it the way it is?  Geeky Randy 06:20, 24 April 2007 (UTC)


 * I think she should be listed as (1-present), as I stated in my last message above. Until the credits indicate to us otherwise, she's still listed as one of the star characters. BigD527 17:47, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

Gina came back
Gina came back to show for an episode, I put her in the minor character part. But put that she was a regular last season. Think that is ok? Brainboy109 December 5, 2006 17:51 (UTC)


 * I haven't seen episode 4x14 yet. Was she listed in the opening sequence like she was for a part of Season 3? If so, put her in the "Starring" section. Otherwise, minor characters is the perfect place for her. =) BigD527 18:05, 6 December 2006 (UTC)


 * I believe she was listed as a "Special Guest Star". She would definately not be a main character for Season 4, even though she was the previous season.  Geeky Randy 06:18, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

Who or what is Nip and Tuck?
Is the title a play with words or what? 213.100.22.50 07:29, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
 * A nip and tuck is a plastic surgery, basically another name for a face lift - they nip your skin and tuck away the wrinkles. I think. --Golbez 16:35, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
 * It is indeed a play on words. The original meaning (from which the face lift euphemism derives) is similar to 'neck and neck' – see the dictionary definition. The show's title is a further play on words, as I believe it is intended to be pronounced 'Nip Slash Tuck'. (If anyone can be bothered to cite that, it might be worth mentioning in the article.) Grant 12:52, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

I don't believe that's true, as whenever the show begins, one of the main characters always starts it off by saying "Previously on Nip/Tuck", without pronouncing the "slash" BigD527 20:12, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

Goofs section
Not seeing a goofs section on here. I just noticed in episode 1.04 when Christian is about to buy a new Lamborghini Diablo, that the dealership signs say "Lamborghini - Alfa Romeo - Maserati". Well, Fiat owns Ferrari, Maserati, and Alfa Romeo. Lamborghini was never owned by Fiat, but even if they were sold at the same dealerships, Alfa Romeo hasn't been sold in the United States since 1995 or so. And you can't import them to the US either, based on emissions guidelines (I've tried).

I'm sure there are plenty of other goofs throughout the series; figured it would be good to start this. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.128.203.2 (talk) 00:33, 23 September 2007 (UTC)