Talk:Nipsey Hussle/Archive 1

Nipsey was raised in streets of Los Angeles, California on the streets of Slauson and Crenshaw.
As quoted from the introduction. Does that mean he was homeless as a child? That's not mentioned in the article body or sources. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.163.242.92 (talk) 13:20, 19 April 2010 (UTC)

Before you WP:CSD this article
You should read the AFD. If you read the discussion it pretty clearly stated that the result was "delete without prejudice against recreation if and when this artist eventually meets the notability guidelines." A quick google search shows a pretty fair amount of hits from at least moderately notable sources like the OC Register. I think the article needs work, but the repeated speedies are no longer appropriate. See WP:BEFORE. Toddst1 (talk) 07:39, 27 January 2010 (UTC)


 * If you say so. Where is this reliable source you are referring to?  We cannot just let unsourced WP:BLP content sit around indefinitely.  Please be more careful when you revert, make sure that sources are appropriately cited, especially when dealing with BLP articles, and also make sure you recognize when a copyright violation is in play.  Thanks, JBsupreme (talk) 07:50, 27 January 2010 (UTC)


 * Yeah, so I just double checked. I'm not blind.  There is no source cited in this article other than a primary source.  That is especially problematic considering we are making all sorts of assertions including affiliation with a criminal organization (Crips street gang).  Please be more careful in the future.  Thanks, JBsupreme (talk) 07:52, 27 January 2010 (UTC)


 * The official website is reliable within certain context per Rs.Toddst1 (talk) 07:53, 27 January 2010 (UTC)


 * No, it is not. It fails points #4 and #5 of that content guideline.  JBsupreme (talk) 07:55, 27 January 2010 (UTC)

Eritrea is in East Africa
Some one who knows how should fix that it's a huge error.

EH — Preceding unsigned comment added by 150.191.12.34 (talk) 07:00, 11 April 2019 (UTC)

Cross reference
To be added to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_murdered_hip_hop_musicians — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.112.177.218 (talk) 00:27, 1 April 2019 (UTC)

To add to article
To add to the article: Hussle's professional name was a play on the name Nipsey Russell. 173.88.241.33 (talk) 03:03, 1 April 2019 (UTC)

Nipsey Hussle
I would like the picture to be changed to a more recent picture. He just recently did photo shoots with way more pics that represent him better. He is a legend, and the pic should reflect more than a stereotypical gangster rapper. #Hussle4ever🏁 TLS247 (talk) 08:56, 1 April 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 1 April 2019
Change “Airimeiss” to “Erimas” as first name 97.93.62.143 (talk) 03:58, 1 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Yes check.svg Done However, both first names appear in reliable sources, so the former name may be restored after more research.  General Ization Talk  04:09, 1 April 2019 (UTC)

Philanthropy
Hussle spearheaded the creation of Vector 90 a co-networking space for up and coming entrepreneurs in South Central LA. This inner-city project attracts a range of professional to the space and operates as a hub for intellectuals and creatives alike to learn, share and grow together. The first event at the space took place on September 29th 2018 called Burnout, where attendees participated in networking, team building and pitching activities from 7PM - 7AM the following morning. The opportunity provided a space for local entrepreneurs to get to know each other and forge useful connections for future collaboration. The space also host events and provided start-up course for those who are taking the first step towards entrepreneurship. ReeDot (talk) 14:28, 1 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. The tone is also rather promotional. – Þjarkur (talk) 14:53, 1 April 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 3 April 2019
Change ''"American rapper and songwriter" to "American rapper, songwriter, businessman, and philanthropist"
 * Pending-protection-unlocked.svg Not done: The page's protection level has changed since this request was placed. You should now be able to edit the page yourself. If you still seem to be unable to, please reopen the request with further details. DannyS712 (talk) 02:56, 8 April 2019 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 9 April 2019
Add a photo from the memorial area.

- MakesNoMistakes (talk) 06:03, 9 April 2019 (UTC) MakesNoMistakes (talk) 06:03, 9 April 2019 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure what the precedent is for including gifs in articles; I'm not going to decline it, but I'm going to say that I don't think it gets across much more than an image, is 30x the size of the largest image on the page, and no other video on the wiki that I know of autoplays. LittlePuppers (talk) 18:12, 19 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the template.  RhinosF1(chat) (status)(contribs) 21:39, 21 April 2019 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 20 April 2019
This wiki makes no mention of his gang affiliation or the what led his death, ~calling Eric Holder another CalGangs Documented gang member a snitch~ see below, is wikipedia about the truth or about being popular? Wikipeidia should list the historical truth about its subjects, in order to maintain its credibility

examples

"Mr. Lathan called Hussle a “documented ‘Rolling 60’s Crip’ gang member.” https://www.nytimes.com/2019/04/19/us/nipsey-hussle-death-california-gangs.html

"As you know, Nip was murdered outside his Marathon Clothing store. Police believe Eric Holder pulled the trigger ... allegedly after feeling Nipsey had disrespected him by calling him a snitch." ~https://www.tmz.com/2019/04/13/suge-knight-nipsey-hussle-murder-tupac-shakur/

"You'll recall cops said Nipsey was a member of the Rollin 60s Crips." https://www.tmz.com/2019/04/18/nipsey-hussle-murder-victim-kerry-lathan-shot-released-jail-gang-ties/ Nsolcis (talk) 16:20, 20 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Red question icon with gradient background.svg Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. - This seems like more of a rant than an edit request RhinosF1(chat) (status)(contribs) 21:39, 21 April 2019 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 10 April 2019
Change 'Ermias “Nipsey Hussle” Asghedom' to 'Ermias “Nipsey Hussle” Asghedom'. 128.12.16.35 (talk) 22:21, 10 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the template. This request would violate WP:MOS - No need for the opening sentence to link to the article  RhinosF1(chat) (status)(contribs) 21:41, 21 April 2019 (UTC)

death paragraph
the last sentence reads:

"He is buried at Forest Lawn Memorial Park in Southern California"

but follows a paragraph about another person so that "He" seems to refer to that other person. I suggest to replace "He" with the name in full.

81.191.89.0 (talk) 18:26, 30 April 2019 (UTC)
 * ✅ StaticVapor message me!   20:52, 30 April 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 1 June 2019
2600:8801:D100:E22:A13A:6D4:1CB1:DC9B (talk) 18:25, 1 June 2019 (UTC)

I would like to change the born and origin to South Los Angeles
 * Red question icon with gradient background.svg Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. NiciVampireHeart 21:48, 1 June 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 26 September 2019
I want to add that Nipsey hussles legacy is archived in US history. https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/nipsey-hussles-legacy-archived-us-history-congressional-record/story?id=62233601 Ronnesha.johnson (talk) 04:41, 26 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Red question icon with gradient background.svg Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. &mdash; KuyaBriBri Talk 13:40, 26 September 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 17 December 2019
February 15, 2019 married life partner/ fiancé Andrin Manigo (maiden name)        (Andrin Asghedom) marriage name  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:1700:FC70:9920:2591:3B8A:12A1:E55A (talk) 00:24, 18 December 2019 (UTC)

Cause of death
In place of gun shot wounds it should say assassinated. Melonix97 (talk) 05:26, 28 April 2020 (UTC)

That is not an improvement as gun shot wounds is a direct statement of the cause whereas assassination implies motive but doesn't provide the direct cause of death. Cheers, Fettlemap (talk) 13:51, 28 April 2020 (UTC)

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 * Nipsey Hussle & Michael in the studio .jpg

Merge proposal for All Money In
This label was founded by Hussle, and so far it seems that Hussle is its only notable artist; most of its releases have been Hussle's own work. The article has some decent sourced development, which could be merged into this page or into Hussle's discography page. Chubbles (talk) 23:38, 28 January 2020 (UTC)
 * I would support merging the pages, The other article looks short and unlikely to grow significantly larger. – wallyfromdilbert (talk) 21:12, 4 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Support : I don't see any problems with it. – BriefEdits (talk) 02:07, 5 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Against : I do not agree with this because I think he is too notable for the article to be removed 100.15.148.22 (talk) 23:31, 12 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Support : As of now there doesn't seem like the label would grow much further, all the info here can be included in a paragraph on his article. Alecsdaniel (talk) 18:58, 13 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Give this company a chance. Anything can happen in the industry, and thus we shall wait until we know for certain it shall be merged. Loggersmn (talk) 16:12, 31 March 2020 (UTC)

✅ I completed the merge of All Money In into this article, and I will make some copyedits to the content to fit it into a single section. Nothing suggests this label will grow or become more notable. If it does, the articles could be separated at that time. – wallyfromdilbert (talk) 17:20, 31 March 2020 (UTC)

Nipsey Hussle’s real name is wrong. His name is Ermias Asghedom
CLMoore82 (talk) 05:11, 29 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Why should we believe that's true? The LA Weekly obituary cited in the article says you're wrong. Yappy2bhere (talk) 06:22, 29 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Sourcing states Born Airmiess Joseph Asghedom ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 11:11, 29 September 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 29 September 2021
Nipsey Hussle's real name is E-R-M-I-A-S. It's his son's middle name and also the reason his daughter is named E-M-A-N-I. His name used to be correct on here but was vandalized to its current form, starting with an 'A' and spelled phonetically or something. I submitted a change request but the page became semi protected afterwards and still hasn't been correctd. Please correct spelling on his first name to Ermias. Thank you. 2605:8D80:665:33A2:816E:D7F0:2351:1CD9 (talk) 12:20, 29 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 12:29, 29 September 2021 (UTC)

"Gang banger"
This edit has now been reverted twice, first as a BLP issue  (or was it a sourcing issue? ), then for purported lack of a source. (Or was "gang banger" really not clear in this context?)

First, the man's been dead for over two years. (Really--read the article.) WP:BLP doesn't apply here: "Generally, this policy does not apply to material concerning people who are confirmed dead by reliable sources." (Evidently recognized the mistake after warning the IP  and elected to change the warning  instead of revisiting the article.)

Second, the IP's addition was already supported by reliable sources in the article. In the lede photo the subject is flashing a hand sign for the Rollin' 60s Neighborhood Crips; note that the photo is entitled "Nipsey Hussle on March 11, gesturing Rollin' 60s hand sign." That's a perfectly acceptable self-published source, and continues to be an acceptable source. If you missed the gang sign in the photo, his affiliation is explicated in the 'Early Life' section, with a secondary source and an interview as support.

Third, while "gang banger" does have a "couple of meanings" on WP (two, exactly) it's ridiculous to suggest that it will be read as "orgy participant" and not "gang member" in context. It's disingenuous to call a well-known fact that's already in the article with sourcing a "random addition." Yappy2bhere (talk) 23:49, 6 August 2021 (UTC)
 * "Gang banger" seems like an obviously inappropriate term for an encyclopedic description, even without taking into consideration MOS:LABEL or MOS:OPENPARABIO. – wallyfromdilbert (talk) 02:35, 30 September 2021 (UTC)

Occupation For Nipsey Hussle
Can anybody here please change Nipsey Hussle's occupation to "American rapper, entrepreneur, and activist"? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.70.37.196 (talk) 02:00, 28 January 2020 (UTC)

I see it has been done. Fettlemap (talk) 18:55, 11 February 2020 (UTC)


 * He's a rapper of course, and "songwriter" is supported, but the support for "entrepreneur" is extremely slim. His label, All Money In, boasted only three productive artists including Hussle himself, and he was "kind of like [a] silent partner" in Marathon. Likewise, as an "activist" he wasn't very active. Vector 90, an "integral part of [Destination Crenshaw]’s branding", that's about it for tangible activism. The rest is talk, hope, and ambition. Yappy2bhere (talk) 04:51, 4 September 2021 (UTC)
 * He can hardly be considered an entrepreneur and for sure not an activist ChicagoWikiEditor (talk) 05:53, 2 October 2021 (UTC)

Nipsey Hussle Correct Name Is Ermias
There is an error in the article with Nipsey Hussle correct spelling of his real name. The correct spelling of his name is Ermias not "Airmiess" as it is shown in the article. How can this change be updated and corrected please?Qtpiebme (talk) 03:48, 14 October 2021 (UTC)

The correct first name is Ermias not Airmiess. Please correct. If source is needed death certificate shows correct first name. The incorrect name makes the article look like it is not a valid post.Qtpiebme (talk) 03:56, 14 October 2021 (UTC) Qtpiebme (talk) 03:56, 14 October 2021 (UTC)


 * ❌. LA Weekly and California Birth Index both list the birth certificate name of Airmiess Joseph Asghedom. His mother may have misspelled the name on the forms she filled out but we are not here to correct it. Instead, we are here to report the birth certificate name. Binksternet (talk) 05:06, 14 October 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 1 October 2021
Nipsey Hussle's given name is "Ermias Joseph Asghedom" NOT Airmiess Joseph Asghedom and should be corrected immediately out of respect for the late rapper and his family. His real name can be clearly seen on his obituary and in the televised memorial of his passing; also I have added numerous reputable websites that list the correct information including CNN, ASCAP, and the PDF of the grand jury indictment of the person who murdered the artist. Source websites: ; ; ; ; ; ;

Please change the given name listed from Airmiess Joseph Asghedom to Ermias Joseph Asghedom, and lock this information to prevent further changes from disrespectful and uninformed people. Msshonuf (talk) 16:46, 1 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. See above. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 16:53, 1 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Done --FMSky (talk) 17:53, 1 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Undone. LA Weekly and California Birth Index got it right the first time. Binksternet (talk) 05:25, 2 October 2021 (UTC)

No, User:Binksternet, it is not right, "Airmiess" is incorrect and even Wikipedia says the following about the California Birth Index: "WP:BLPPRIMARY: Why you should never use the California Birth Index as a source on Wikipedia" (especially since information changes after birth). So minus the CBI, this only leaves the LA Weekly article against my many other citations including this additional one posted by Nipsey Hussle on his verified Facebook account, where I'm sure he knew the correct spelling of his own name: . Also, his family uses the spelling of "Ermias" even at his memorial service, but I'm sure that CNN, NBC, PBS, the district attorney, the medical examiner, the 100+ references on this page, and even Nipsey Hussle all have the spelling of his name incorrect and only LA Weekly got it right. Please redo the corrections that were properly made and refrain from using sites that even Wikipedia recognizes as problematic, such as the California Birth Index. I'm also including the LAPD's arrest record for Nipsey Hussle which lists his full name and I'm sure they had the correct information in order to issue an arrest warrant: []. Change the listed first name back to "Ermias" or start a discussion page. Msshonuf (talk) 21:04, 18 October 2021 (UTC)
 * If someone reverts the edit you requested to be made, you shouldn't start another edit request, you should get consensus. We don't want to start edit wars. --Ferien (talk) 18:38, 18 October 2021 (UTC)

Ferien: The edit should not have been reverted without additional sourcing from reputable sources, the editor should not have reverted the change of another editor, which it seems they have a tendency of doing. I have provided numerous citations that are valid including ones that include information that was provided by the deceased (i.e. ASCAP, Facebook) and links to official documents which also list Nipsey Hussle's real name. Therefore, I'm not sure what else would be needed, it's obvious by the number of requests to correct the first name to "Ermias" that the consensus is that "Ermias" is the correct spelling, however, in a world that no longer believes what it sees or in tangible facts I guess none of that matters (even when the person in question has spelled their own name in a verified online post). So how would one get a Consensus started? Msshonuf (talk) 21:04, 18 October 2021 (UTC)
 * The reason I changed your edit request to answered was because someone reverted the change made on your behalf. There is an idea on Wikipedia that quite a lot of people like to follow called bold, revert, discuss. The idea of it is that you've made your changes but someone's reverted them. You should discuss with the people who disagree to avoid edit warring. --Ferien (talk) 20:32, 18 October 2021 (UTC)

Ferien: I was attempting to discuss, however, you keep jumping in and answering for Binksternet who feels that the multiple requests of others and the thoroughly sourced citations I provided are second to his vast knowledge on an artist he has no clue about since he is so determined to gatekeep a name that is incorrect by using only one incorrect article from 2019 and an index that Wikipedia doesn't recognize as a reliable source. This is frustrating to those of us who are actually knowledgeable about the person and have provided verifiable citations that far exceed 2 incorrect and questionable sources. Do you think the seasoned journalists at CNN, NBC, ABC, PBS, etc. did not do their due diligence, or the family of Nipsey Hussle was mistaken, or the police, or the district attorney, or even Nipsey Hussle himself as to the spelling of his name? Moreover, I asked you how a consensus discussion is started and your response was a non sequitur statement as to why you felt the need to edit my request rather than explaining, in detail, what needs to be done in order to have a discussion on the issue. So, I will ask once again: How do I go about starting a consensus discussion? Please provide detailed instructions. Thank you. Msshonuf (talk) 20:46, 18 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the template. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 23:26, 18 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Here's the deal: Nipsey's mother may have misspelled the name Ermias at his birth but for whatever reason, she wrote out Airmiess on the forms at the hospital. The birth certificate reads Airmiess Joseph Asghedom, whether you like it or not. The California Birth Index is an authoritative source for people who have been dead for more than a year. (Wikipedia's WP:DOB guideline does not allow the California Birth Index as a source for living persons because it reveals private documents, in this case the birth certificate.) So it doesn't really matter whether Nipsey spelled it Ermias at school or on his driver's license application; the birth certificate is its own thing. I am certainly aware of the many sources saying his name was Ermias, but WP:CONTEXTMATTERS—those other sources cannot be considered authoritative in light of the definitive name listed in California's records. It's that simple. Binksternet (talk) 04:39, 19 October 2021 (UTC)
 * , what I'm saying is that you don't have to have an edit request open to discuss. I don't "keep jumping in". I have only answered your edit request once. When I'm saying to get a consensus, I'm asking you to discuss with Binksternet about why you think the change should be added. I don't think any "consensus discussion" needs to be started. --Ferien (talk) 06:07, 19 October 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 3 November 2021
Nipsey Hussle's first name is spelled wrong on his Wikipedia article; his name is Ermias, not Airmiess. Please change this out of respect for him and his family.

Please refer to his official obituary as a source: https://www.obituare.com/ermias-joseph-asghedom-obituary-66482/ 2600:8800:4781:E100:7509:F8CF:2DC:C3E6 (talk) 15:58, 3 November 2021 (UTC)


 * ❌. LA Weekly and California Birth Index both list the birth certificate name of Airmiess Joseph Asghedom. His mother may have misspelled the name on the forms she filled out but we are not here to correct it. Instead, we are here to report the birth certificate name. Chip3004 (talk) 16:31, 3 November 2021 (UTC)


 * "LA Weekly and California Birth Index both list the birth certificate name of Airmiess Joseph Asghedom.""

- Chip3004 Okay then, go and change Elliot Pages article to show what was written on their birth certificate as their 'main name' - see how that works out for you. This subject has gone to the lengths of having his name (How he self-identified, presumably?) tattooed upon his neck... oh, and song-writing credits of "E.Asghedom" on Discogs (Which doesn't consider Wikipedia a reliable source but that's by-the-by) - and they're registered on ASCAP (American Society of Composers, Authors and Publishers) as "ASGHEDOM ERMIAS JOSEPH" & "ASGHEDOM ERMIAS" - https://www.ascap.com/repertory#/ace/search/performer/nipsey?page=1

RFC: Activist and entrepreneur article lead
In addition to the indisputable fact that his notable fame is for being a rapper, would you AGREE or DISAGREE with the lead description regarding Nipsey Hussle as an activist and entrepreneur?

Votes below ChicagoWikiEditor (talk) 04:21, 2 October 2021 (UTC)

Discussion

 * disagree - The business ventures section of his article is opened with the fact that he use to shine shoes at 12. As a rapper he created a record label (who hasn't), he invested in some talent agency and owns a clothing shop. By these simple maintain wealth ventures, basically every celebrity article on Wikipedia should open with entrepreneur and philanthropist. Moreover I think it goes without saying that just because he promotes "community activism" it does not warrant the label of activist. I disagree because I think the sections of the article are sufficient enough without the lofty titles being in the lead when they aren't fame notable roles. ChicagoWikiEditor (talk) 04:21, 2 October 2021 (UTC)
 * disagree the minor business ventures that performing artists and athletes and other celebrities use to capitalize on their name are not entrepreneurship, unless the enterprises become notable in their own right. if anyone is responsible for the creation of the store, it's probably his business advisor or another of his entourage. The head of his business is quoted in the article as calling him "our ssilent partner". This is slightly different from the usual, because he did have enough connection with the business to actually be there when he was killed, but that's not enough. . Nor do I think he should be called  an "activist" in the lede. it should only go in the lead if, because of those activites alone, he would be notable enough for an article.
 * there are similar terms in the lede of thousands of bios: speaker, lecturer, writer, community leader, influencer, ... For all of them it is possible to be notable, bu for a person notable for somethng else, it's a minor promotional   add-on. In my own field, every notable academic is also necessarily  a writer and speaker, but usually they're auxiliary to their actual work.  Similarly with   most over-used "philanthropist" -- giving money to charity is in a sense philanthropy, bu a philanthropist is someone  who has done enough to be notable for it.  DGG ( talk ) 00:27, 3 October 2021 (UTC)


 * disagree, for several reasons. According to MOS:BIO the lead paragraph should "provide context, establish notability and explain why the person is notable" and to that end the first sentence "should usually state ... [o]ne, or possibly more, noteworthy positions, activities, or roles", where "noteworthy" links the general notability guideline. The rapper isn't a notable entrepreneur nor a notable activist, he wouldn't merit an article on either of those, and as I've already indicated his credentials for both are extremely thin . MOS:BIO states directly that these should not be in the lead: "Incidental and non-noteworthy roles (i.e. activities that are not integral to the person's notability) should usually not be mentioned in the lead paragraph." After reading the guideline more carefully I don't think "songwriter" should be restored to the lead either--while ASCAP confirms that he was a prolific songwriter there isn't sufficient coverage in reliable sources to make him a notable songwriter per se (or rather, per WP:GNG). Yappy2bhere (talk) 19:20, 4 October 2021 (UTC)
 * disagree - Is Nipsey known for being an entrepreneur? No.  His entrepreneurship is solely and exclusively related to his being a rapper.  Activist has slightly more credibility as this a role separate and distinct from his being rapper, but the level of activism does not seem sufficient that he would have an article dedicated to him if he were ONLY an activist.  His organization might get a small page, but he as contributing founder of that organization would not get a page.  That says to me that he is insufficiently notable as an activist for it to be in the lead.  Yes, keep it in the article, but not the lead.  (That said, the sections on his business and activism could likely use a little cleanup to look a little less promotional.  Its not so bad that we need to nuke it all, but some rephrasing and restructuring could help the article quality a lot) Fieari (talk) 04:36, 5 October 2021 (UTC)

You have his first name wrong! It’s Ermias.
Ermias 2603:6010:C002:C51B:80D1:EEB9:9C22:1362 (talk) 07:22, 18 November 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 10 December 2021
Ermias OneDimpleGirls (talk) 04:49, 10 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Red question icon with gradient background.svg Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Cannolis (talk) 11:17, 10 December 2021 (UTC)

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Semi-protected edit request on 29 January 2022
2600:1012:B1E5:DDB5:485F:EA72:EF09:A4D3 (talk) 16:16, 29 January 2022 (UTC) Ermias asghedom
 * Red question icon with gradient background.svg Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. - FlightTime  ( open channel ) 16:19, 29 January 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 17 February 2022
Ermias Davidson Asghedom Nipseys real name spelled correctly

Learn how to spell lol Ripkingnip60 (talk) 08:31, 17 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Red question icon with gradient background.svg Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate.  — Paper9oll  (🔔 • 📝)  09:04, 17 February 2022 (UTC)

His name
His name is Ermias Joseph Asghedom 2607:FB91:145F:C3CC:5937:B6A7:68AF:3B8C (talk) 04:34, 28 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Our published sources indicate his birth name was Airmiess Joseph Asghedom, and this information already appears in the article. We will not change the names that appear in this article without a citation of a reliable source supporting the change.  General Ization  Talk  04:41, 28 February 2022 (UTC)
 * His birth certificate is spelled Airmiess. Later, he spelled it the more usual way: Ermias. But the birth certificate is the first document of his name. Binksternet (talk) 06:11, 3 March 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 5 March 2022
PLEASE change Airmiess Asghedom to the correct spelling Ermias Joseph Asghedom. -- Write your request ABOVE this line and do not remove the tildes and curly brackets below. --> 35.10.194.128 (talk) 21:56, 5 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the template. See above. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 22:37, 5 March 2022 (UTC)
 * See the responses to the many requests above, and note that "Ermias Joseph Asghedom" is already listed as an "other name" that Nipsey used during his life but it was not the name he was given at birth. Period.  General Ization  Talk  00:19, 6 March 2022 (UTC)

Birth name
Is there any primary source or interview where he refers to his middle name as Davidson? I can't seem to find anything. New secondary and tertiary sources should be avoided so as too avoid a feedback loop. DA1 (talk) 16:21, 1 April 2019 (UTC)
 * The addition was made on March 31 by a user AngloSaxonPride:  This whole thing reeks of WP:HOAX. DA1 (talk) 16:23, 1 April 2019 (UTC)
 * This is the actual primary source where he states his name: . I have acquired a fair amount of information pertaining to his background that I shall be adding in.
 * I also urge other users that if given the choice of an equivalent-information citation between one which states his name as "Davidson" versus one that doesn't include that hoax, please opt for the latter. Spreading hoaxes through Wikipedia is extremely damaging, so please try to minimize this damage that's already been done. That unsourced edit should have been removed hours ago before this blew up. DA1 (talk) 17:06, 1 April 2019 (UTC)
 * His birth name is Airmiess Joseph Asghedom, as every birth record indicates (see this). He doesn't spell his name in the source you linked. Look, can we just change the name to Airmiess Joseph Asghedom, since that's what it's going to say a week from now anyway? I've gone through this process literally a thousand of times in my years here. It always ends up the same way. It's a waste of words. All Hallow&#39;s Wraith (talk) 17:11, 1 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Maybe, but this is WP:ORIGINALRESEARCH. So it's not the best course of action. It's a tough one really but it's also possible that is his spelling on his birth certificate (which can be indicated in the "born" parenthesis) but his real name as he's referenced in primary sources is "Ermias". We need to wait for reliable primary and secondary sources to add in the alternate name. DA1 (talk) 17:26, 1 April 2019 (UTC)
 * The BBC has used the middle name 'Davidson' in their report about the arrest of a suspect in Hussle's killing (see here). I've contacted them to ask if they have a reliable source and, if not, not to perpetuate an alleged hoax. JezGrove (talk) 22:06, 2 April 2019 (UTC)
 * It looks like your complaint worked. Thank you.--- Coffee  and crumbs  05:38, 8 April 2019 (UTC)

@DA1: Nipsey Hussle's given name is "Ermias Joseph Asghedom" NOT Airmiess Joseph Asghedom and should be corrected immediately out of respect for the late rapper and his family. His real name can be clearly seen on his obituary and in the televised memorial of his passing; also I have added numerous reputable websites that list the correct information including CNN, ASCAP, and the PDF of the grand jury indictment of the person who murdered the artist. Source websites: ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ;. The most important of these sources is the Facebook post from January 2018 by Nipsey Hussle on his verified account which clearly shows that he spelled his first name E-R-M-I-A-S. I can provide as many reputable sources as needed to get this issue corrected once and for all. Furthermore, "Airmiess" is incorrect and even Wikipedia says the following about the California Birth Index: "WP:BLPPRIMARY: Why you should never use the California Birth Index (CBI) as a source on Wikipedia", especially since information changes after birth. Msshonuf (talk) 21:30, 18 October 2021 (UTC)

I'm confused as to what his first name was. Was it Airmiess or Ermias? 2001:569:7F96:EE00:295D:45DA:F728:9662 (talk) 05:12, 3 March 2022 (UTC)


 * His birth certificate is spelled Airmiess. Later, he spelled it the more usual way, Ermias. Binksternet (talk) 06:11, 3 March 2022 (UTC)

Ermias is his name. He spells it and says it is pronounced "Air-me-as". See video, "Nipsey Hussle Reveals What His Name Means": https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=g5FFb_3P2iw — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:1700:EBF0:A10:A90A:5A13:DB67:713F (talk) 11:26, 7 May 2022 (UTC)

Death - Memorials
The lyrics, 'Baby Don't Cry Gotta Keep Your Head Up Even when The Road is Hard Never Give Up', quoted from the homage tweet by Former President of Iran Mahmoud Ahmadinejad are from the song Baby Don't Cry (Keep Ya Head Up II) from the Tupac Shakur album Still I Rise (album) not from Hussle himself. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.151.23.100 (talk) 11:26, 11 May 2022 (UTC)

Nip's Name Is Spelled Incorrectly
His name is spelled Ermias, not Airmiess. Please change this, as it's literally one of the biggest sources for info on Nip and it should reflect the correct spelling of his name, which meant "God will rise".

You can hear Nip spell it out here himself at the 3:50 minute mark. Do him right and change the spelling to what it should be. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g5FFb_3P2iw&ab_channel=HotNewHipHop


 * ❌. The way he spelled it himself was Ermias. The way it was spelled on his birth certificate was Airmiess, which is a fact. So he was born as Airmiess, and we list his alternate spelling Ermias in the infobox. Binksternet (talk) 04:10, 20 June 2022 (UTC)

Nipsey’s real name is spelled wrong
His real name is Ermias. Please fix this. 2600:1700:B000:E30:C158:AE2A:18D7:B383 (talk) 19:31, 21 June 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 4 July 2022
His name isn’t even spelled right on this page. It’s Ermias Asghedom (source google, also his family, multiple news outlets, and etc) not Airmiss or however you all have it spelled. 2601:340:4300:3CE:7002:462F:DC9D:B893 (talk) 17:25, 4 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Cannolis (talk) 18:25, 4 July 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 6 July 2022
his name is spelled wrong. the correct spelling is ERMIAS. just like his son kross’ middle name. Nnaaeee (talk) 17:37, 6 July 2022 (UTC)
 * ❌. Many people have mentioned this same issue, but his birth certificate spelling is what we show. He spelled his name Ermias in school and in private life, but the birth certificate is the first spelling of his name, the name he was given at birth. Binksternet (talk) 18:31, 6 July 2022 (UTC)

Vector 90
Nipsey Hussle was a partner in the creation of Vector 90, a space that provided technical training, IT services and workshops located in the heart of South Central, Los Angeles. Other amenities that are provided are internet, conference rooms, printing, bike storage, micro-roasted coffee, cold brew on tap, community managers, office supplies, professional and social events and mail and package handling. The district 8 Los Angeles City Council also partnered in starting Vector 90.Vector 90

Hello I am new to wikipedia I have edited many articles but this is my first since joining, I have no idea what I am doing so I couldn't even make this my own topic I had to invade someone else's (Sorry). There is a mistake on this page where it says that Mahmoud Ahmadinejad quoted Nipsey in a tweet. I thought ah that's cool I'd like to hear that song. After searching on a well known search engine I discovered this track is by 2pac. 2pac never worked with Nipsey and Nipsey never sampled the 2pac song this lyric is from. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZgQZENuDrBY this is the 2pac song you can clearly hear the lyric in the first 30s. Mahmoud Ahmadinejad quoting 2pac is unusual and people would find it interesting just not in the memorial section of the Nipsey Hussle page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by JoeMangle (talk • contribs) 20:40, 19 July 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 12 August 2022
Nipsey Hussle real name is spelled “Ermias” 2601:100:8800:67E0:682A:2F13:31CC:C4B6 (talk) 15:52, 12 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: Refer to the talk page archives. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 16:05, 12 August 2022 (UTC)

First name
Please Correct The Spelling of his name Ermias it is very important this is disrespectful 23.28.215.5 (talk) 16:24, 21 July 2022 (UTC)

Correct the spelling of his first name. Ermias. 2601:185:7F:3E30:83E:E63A:CBE4:C52F (talk) 10:40, 15 August 2022 (UTC)

Ermias is the way it’s spelled 2600:6C50:57F:FDB5:5942:F568:CFA1:7581 (talk) 17:15, 15 August 2022 (UTC)

His name is spelled as Ermias 2601:140:8000:840:494E:3607:D898:6D22 (talk) 17:45, 16 August 2022 (UTC)
 * As others have advised, no. His birth name appears in the article as it was listed on his birth certificate.  Ermias is listed in the infobox as another name that he used.  See the Talk page archive, where this was extensively discussed and the current consensus established. <span style="font-family: Gill Sans MT, Arial, Helvetica; font-weight:140;"> General Ization  <i style="color: #000666;">Talk </i> 17:49, 16 August 2022 (UTC)
 * There was a consensus established there? Seems like a lot of people complaining about the name being wrong and providing various sources in new threads, with a few editors responding back that the California Birth Index overrides any other sources. Seems like an actual discussion would be useful, especially as birth certificates are not always correct. I would assume websites containing birth certificate information could also be incorrect. – wallyfromdilbert (talk) 00:31, 30 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Nobody has challenged the California Birth Index website—they are considered extremely reliable. Nobody has proved that the CBI is wrong about Nipsey's birth certificate, by comparing the original with the website. Plenty of other people named Airmiess were born in California, "way too many" to list at the CBI. That spelling of the name is not so uncommon, and it is not disrespectful. Of course it is the exact same pronunciation as Ermias, and Nipsey Hussle spelled his name Ermias as an adult. But the CBI spelling of Airmiess is also backed up by LA Weekly's report of his death, so it's not just CBI. And by now there are later sources giving his birth name as Airmiess, for instance BET in June 2022, St Louis Post-Dispatch in July, Fox News San Diego in August, and Reuters in September 2022. Binksternet (talk) 01:41, 30 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Thanks. Your argument and sourcing certainly seems persuasive to me. Unless someone can show many other sources that explicitly discuss the birth name and spell it differently, preferably with a reason why that would seem to differ from a resource on birth certificates, I think that is a good case for establishing consensus. Since this topic keeps coming up so often, is there a way to stop this thread from auto-archiving so that others can see your helpful response? – wallyfromdilbert (talk) 02:08, 30 November 2022 (UTC)

Why is his name misspelled? His name is david. Very interesting.
Why is his name misspelled? His name is david. Very interesting. 24.46.209.187 (talk) 05:07, 27 December 2022 (UTC)

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Semi-protected edit request on 9 February 2023
They spelled his name ENTIRELY WRONG. Its Ermias 2603:6081:4F00:FD2E:B122:C631:C23:AB5 (talk) 04:00, 9 February 2023 (UTC)
 * In this case "they" is his mom filling out his birth certificate, spelling it Airmiess. The birth certificate is proof by itself. Binksternet (talk) 04:09, 9 February 2023 (UTC)

Name
His name is Ermias. It’s spelled incorrectly on this page. 2600:1700:B000:E30:79BC:AE38:BC93:753E (talk) 03:10, 23 February 2023 (UTC)

Please see messages above on this page. Fettlemap (talk) 05:20, 23 February 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 29 March 2023
Change Airmiess Joseph Ashgedom to Ermias Joseph Ashgedom. Birth name/first name should be spelled Ermias rather than Airmiess. 2601:648:8500:3170:7561:7AE1:D3AC:A2B6 (talk) 01:37, 29 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: Read the responses directly above. <span style="font-family: Gill Sans MT, Arial, Helvetica; font-weight:140;"> General Ization <i style="color: #000666;">Talk </i> 01:39, 29 March 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 7 April 2023
His name is spelled Ermias Asghedom. 2600:4041:7AE7:5200:2435:D6C2:7183:A640 (talk) 02:47, 7 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: Please read the notice at the top of this page, or either of the two closed edit requests above. Tollens (talk) 04:04, 7 April 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 14 April 2023
I suggest to change the name of Nipsey Hussle from Airmiess Joseph Asghedom to Ermias Joseph Asghedom.

Several sources on the web, such as IMDB (https://www.imdb.com/name/nm2596169/bio) suggest that Nipsey's birthname is written Ermias and not Airmiess in English. Thanks for your consideration. 187.251.114.248 (talk) 21:33, 14 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: Please read the notice at the top of this page, or any of the three closed edit requests above. Tollens (talk) 21:59, 14 April 2023 (UTC)

Birth name vs. preferred name in article
While I am aware there currently exists a consensus to use the first name 'Airmiess', published in the California Birth Index, rather than the other numerous sources that use the spelling 'Ermias' (including the subject themselves, later in their life), this does not actually seem to be grounded in policy as I currently understand it. MOS:BIRTHNAME suggests that while the birth name should be included, it should be secondary to the changed name, and WP:NAMECHANGES suggests that more weight should be given to reliable sources published after the name change (If I've misunderstood these policies, please let me know where I've made a mistake). It does not appear these policies were considered at all in the main discussion a year and a half ago, which focused instead on the fact that the birth certificate is reliable (which I don't dispute), and that the birth name is the appropriate name to use in the article. It also appears based on the numerous edit requests opened since then that there is at least a fair amount of support for changing the name in line with these policies. Tollens (talk) 22:34, 14 April 2023 (UTC)


 * I have not changed any part of the article for now, in line with the current consensus. Tollens (talk) 22:35, 14 April 2023 (UTC)


 * The WP:NAMECHANGES guideline assumes there was an announcement about the name change, that sources are available saying that the subject changed their name. This biography doesn't have that, because the change of spelling from Airmiess to Ermias happened some time when the subject was a child, not famous.
 * Perhaps we can show the reader the alternate spelling in a more prominent place, for instance the first sentence:
 * Airmiess Joseph Asghedom (August 15, 1985 – March 31, 2019, also spelled Ermias Joseph Asghedom), known professionally as Nipsey Hussle (often stylized as Nipsey Hu$le), was an American rapper, entrepreneur, and activist.
 * Ermias Joseph Asghedom (born Airmiess Joseph Asghedom on August 15, 1985, died March 31, 2019), known professionally as Nipsey Hussle (often stylized as Nipsey Hu$le), was an American rapper, entrepreneur, and activist.
 * The two proposals differ in the amount of clumsiness introduced by having two parenthesis clauses. Binksternet (talk) 00:11, 15 April 2023 (UTC)
 * I completely agree that there don't appear to be sources supporting the subject themself announcing a name change, but obviously that doesn't directly conflict with the suggestion that he did primarily go by Ermias - there would have been no reason to make a public statement about his name change since he was not a public figure before the time that his name was changed. The second proposal you make is exactly what I had imagined, but my only concern is the very poor sentence flow, as you also pointed out. There doesn't seem to be a good way to split the sentence in two while retaining the information typically presented in the first sentence - not sure if there even is a good way to present four different names at once. Perhaps if the name was moved after the dates, in the same format as your first suggestion, it would work better:
 * Ermias Joseph Asghedom (August 15, 1985 – March 31, 2019; born Airmiess Joseph Asghedom), known professionally as Nipsey Hussle (often stylized as Nipsey Hu$le), was an American rapper, entrepreneur, and activist.
 * Tollens (talk) 00:28, 15 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Your semicolon solution works best. Let's see what others think. Binksternet (talk) 01:59, 15 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Support doing something. This is a reccuring issue so good to see the progress in responding to this recurring request. Fettlemap (talk) 03:34, 15 April 2023 (UTC)
 * As there hasn't been any objection I've gone ahead and changed the first sentence to Ermias Joseph Asghedom (August 15, 1985 – March 31, 2019; born Airmiess Joseph Asghedom), known professionally as Nipsey Hussle (often stylized as Nipsey Hu$le), was an American rapper, entrepreneur, and activist., as well as removed the notice at the top of this talk page as it isn't really relevant anymore. I assume the template Template:Airmiess not Ermias that was used in the notice can likely also be deleted but I'll let place a speedy template if that seems appropriate rather than go through TfD. Tollens (talk) 04:05, 18 April 2023 (UTC)
 * I removed the "other names" parameter from the infobox as it seemed redundant after the change to the first sentence. I will wait a month to delete the notice template if the fix was successful. Binksternet (talk) 16:02, 18 April 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 14 February 2023
His name is listed incorrectly !!! His first name name is ERMIAS !!! Please correct this!!! 2600:1700:F21:DB40:412A:EC49:AF74:2106 (talk) 21:42, 14 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: The article is correct, as verified by the cited sources. The name "Ermias" is also shown in the infobox as a name the subject used, but it was not his birth name. <span style="font-family: Gill Sans MT, Arial, Helvetica; font-weight:140;"> General Ization  <i style="color: #000666;">Talk </i> 21:49, 14 February 2023 (UTC)

Native name
Why would there need to be 'support' for the native spelling of his name in Tigrinya? It makes no sense. Would I need to prove that for any other language? His heritage is Eritrean, so why not include it? ViveLaSuisse (talk) 05:59, 6 September 2023 (UTC)


 * @Binksternet If you needed support, you could have just plugged the name into Google and would have seen plenty of articles, including one from the BBC, covering Nipsey ViveLaSuisse (talk) 20:36, 3 October 2023 (UTC)
 * English Wikipedia is so weird. It is like just because an ethnic person is born in America, all remnants of their ethnic culture must be erased. ViveLaSuisse (talk) 20:37, 3 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Do you have examples in other articles of this type of inclusion? Or any external sources for the spelling and its significance? You'll need to show that this is the norm, otherwise you can bring up ideas for changing the standards of the encyclopedia at another venue, such as WP:BLPN or the Village Pump. Pyrrho the Skipper (talk) 01:14, 11 October 2023 (UTC)


 * The reason you would need "support" for the spelling of his name in Tigrinya is because of WP:INDISCRIMINATE which is hard policy. We only put important things in Wikipedia, not true things that are unimportant.
 * You would need to prove that the foreign language version of his name is important to his life and career. Binksternet (talk) 04:07, 12 October 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 5 November 2023
Ermias Asghedom 69.124.202.80 (talk) 23:54, 5 November 2023 (UTC)


 * What is your edit request? Pyrrho the Skipper (talk) 00:34, 6 November 2023 (UTC)