Talk:Nisei

Need for article on the Nisei
A couple of comments from other editors are persuasive evidence that this article is necessary:


 * Neisei. The following comment was posted at Talk:Japanese American service in World War II: What happened the entry for Nisei? It redirects here, which doesn't even mention the word, never mind explain it ....  15 September 2008


 * Major gap in Japanese-American history.  ... I'm currently in Wiki-crisis/retirement mode, and not editing here. But I came across what I think is a major issue which touches on your area of editing interest. There is no real article on the Nisei (2nd generation Japanese Americans). The "Nisei" page is a redirect to Japanese American service in World War II (just one small aspect of this generation), and even this article has been recently stubbed down when material (such as the quote from MacArthur's chief ("The Nisei saved countless Allied lives and shortened the war by two years.") could have been easily sourced instead. Here for example. About the nisei generation, just a quick Amazon search brings up dozens of books on this generation of Japanese Americans... Even Encylcopedia Britannica has an article on the subject! Something seems to be clearly wrong here .... 13 September 2008 (UTC)

The article is sure to develop beyond the initial stub text, but surely there can be no disputing that it deserves to be expanded -- not deleted. --Tenmei (talk) 14:50, 16 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Well, let me ask, what's specifically so unique about Nisei that is not also characteristics of Sansei, Yonsei, and even higher generations? What I'm saying is, it seems that the content for an article on Nisei either can be covered in Japanese American, or it would be the same kind of content for an article on Sansei and Yonsei.  So what is so unique specifically about second-generation Japanese Americans that we need an article for the topic?  Hong Qi Gong (Talk - Contribs) 15:51, 16 September 2008 (UTC)

Please add: Citation for Isamu Noguchi, http://www.noguchi.org/chrono2.html —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kactapuss (talk • contribs) 16:41, 10 March 2009 (UTC)

Renaming article?
This title attempts to incorporate American and Canadian Nisei in one article. At some point, perhaps it will make reasonable sense to re-name this article "Nisei Japanese Americans" ... which would mean that another article would need to be created -- something like "Nisei Canadian Americans"? --Tenmei (talk) 16:40, 16 September 2008 (UTC)
 * I would ask the same question that I did above - is the topic of Canadian Nisei really unique or notable enough for an article on its own? Like I've asked before, what's unique about Nisei, other than that they were born during the baby boom, that sets them apart from for example Sansei and Yonsei?  I can definitely see how Issei deserves its own article because it covers their immigration.  But I'm not sure I agree that Nisei, and by extension, Sansei, deserves their own articles.  Most of what could be in these articles could either go in Japanese American or Japanese American history.  I mean, just because there's a specific name for each generation of Japanese Americans doesn't mean we need to create an article out of each name.  Hong Qi Gong (Talk - Contribs) 17:22, 16 September 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm not persuaded that this specific question, as you have framed it, is one that can be addressed; however, Notability identifies a more easily approached set of issues. The mere fact that book publishers consider Issei, Nisei, and Sansei as independent worthy subjects becomes sufficient in satisfing the very minimal wiki-standards of notability. The further fact that academic or scholarly journals have published articles about the American and Canadian Issei, Nisei and Sansei becomes an additional demonstration of wiki-notability for the two sub-threads which are woven into the framework of this article.


 * My modest intentions here are not focused on bringing this stub to "Featured Article" status. I'm glad to leave that hard work to others who may contribute to this article in the months ahead.  My narrowly-focused objective at this point is simply to provide an adequate first-draft beginning from which others can feel comfortable building. --Tenmei (talk) 18:37, 16 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Here are 21 reasons why Nisei should be considered a wiki-notable article:
 * 1. Barney F. Hajiro
 * 2. Mikio Hasemoto
 * 3. Joe Hayashi
 * 4. Shizuya Hayashi.
 * 5. Daniel K. Inouye.
 * 6. Yeiki Kobashigawa.
 * 7. Robert T. Kuroda
 * 8. Kaoru Moto.
 * 9. Kiyoshi K. Muranaga.
 * 10. Masato Nakae.
 * 11. Shinyei Nakamine.
 * 12. William K. Nakamura.
 * 13. Joe M. Nishimoto.
 * 14. Allan M. Ohata.
 * 15. James K. Okubo.
 * 16. Yukio Okutsu.
 * 17. Frank H. Ono.
 * 18. Kazuo Otani.
 * 19. George T. Sakato.
 * 20. Ted T. Tanouye.
 * These Nisei were each awarded the Congressional Medal of Honor. --Tenmei (talk) 20:28, 16 September 2008 (UTC)
 * The fact that there are notable individuals who are Nisei doesn't really mean that the topic of Nisei itself is notable - that's like saying we can write an article called Americans born in the 1920s, because there are plenty of notable Americans born in the 1920s. But if the topic of Nisei has been specifically written about in literature, that's good enough for me.  I'm not entirely convinced about Sansei and Yonsei though.  Hong Qi Gong (Talk - Contribs) 20:43, 16 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Hong Qi Gong -- Aha, yes. I see your point. Your input here did help me improve the quality of what I was hoping to achieve. Thanks.  Let me take this opportunity to invite you to keep your eye on Sansei over the next week or so.  If you have further suggestions which will help me improve the modest foundation I hope to create, good.  As for Yonsei, I'm not planning to create an article about progeny of the Sansei. --Tenmei (talk) 21:09, 16 September 2008 (UTC)

Merger of Nikkei, Issei, Nisei, Sansei, Yonsei
Hi

Can't we merge all these duplicating/ overlaping articles Issei, Nisei, Sansei and Yonsei into the Japanese diaspora (Nikkei) page? Besides the obvious repetition, just because these terms exist for the different generations, that is no justification for separate articles. We don't have separate articles on first, second, third generation French/ German/ Chinese/ Portuguese immigrants in WP content on immigrant communities. Rui &#39;&#39;Gabriel&#39;&#39; Correia (talk) 02:56, 17 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Oppose -- see Talk:Japanese diaspora#Merger of Nikkei, Issei, Nisei, Sansei, Yonsei --Tenmei (talk) 22:17, 20 February 2011 (UTC)

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American-Nisei section is missing the entire rest of the story
While most Nisei were loyal Americans with an outstanding record, all were not. Thousands of American-citizen Nisei were disloyal and that was the reason for and the necessity for the emergency TEMPORARY relocation from the West Coast Defense Zone, a declared combat zone. Professor Stephan of Hawaii has a database of about 5,000 or more documented names of Nisei American citizens who served in or with the Imperial Japanese armed forces, such as Tokyo Rose did. There were two American-citizen Nisei serving in the Japanese forces on Chichijima, when the American aviator POW's were killed and eaten. [See "Hawaii Under the Rising Sun" by John J. Stephan.] Thousands more either renounced U.S. citizenship or requested repatriation to Japan during and immediately after WWII. [For details on the disloyal Nisei and why the relocation was necessary, see "WWII JAPANESE RELOCATION CAMPS & the WRA: A Prudent, Emergency, War-time Measure" by Jim Cain.]Starhistory22 (talk) 10:16, 21 June 2017 (UTC)

Removing the template
@Ajfweb (pinging you as you added it) I don't see what's necessarily still confusing about this. It's both an age-generational thing (late 1800s/early 1900s diaspora), and a technical term for second generation immigrant. The generational thing is what's most researched and talked about where the term is mentioned, so it will appear in RS in that context. I grew up around these terms so I may be too used to these terms to see what's not clear from a laymans perspective. DarmaniLink (talk) 13:34, 1 February 2024 (UTC)


 * Anyway, I'll be removing it on 2/4 if there's no response DarmaniLink (talk) 04:17, 3 February 2024 (UTC)