Talk:Niuhuru, the Empress Xiao Zhen Xian

Ci'an vs. Cian
Is the apostrophe necessary? Cian isn't a possible syllable in Mandarin. --Menchi 07:08, 12 December 2005 (UTC)
 * I agree. The apostrophe isn't necessary. Highshines 04:26, 24 December 2006 (UTC)

The big portrait
Highshines, I have said that the big portrait doesn't look genuine. Now instead of reinserting it, can you please provide us with a credible source of this picture, or you will have it removed by me or any other editor that does not believe the picture is genuine.--Niohe 00:35, 23 December 2006 (UTC)

Besides, Highshines, could you please stop sneaky editing of pages, i.e. making major edits without any edit summary and/or with the m tag. This is exactly the way you used to edit pages with sock puppets before and if you want people to take your edits seriously again, you better make an effort to earn back some credibility.--Niohe 00:41, 23 December 2006 (UTC)

Highshines, in your most recent edit summary, you wrote: "If you want me to prove the authenticity of the portrait, you have to prove it to be not authentic first."

I hope you realize that the burden of proof is on you, not me. Wikipedia policy states: "The burden of evidence lies with the editor who adds or restores material. Any material that is challenged or likely to be challenged needs a reliable source, which should be cited in the article."

Please give some evidence of the provenance of that painting. To me, it looks like a fairly recent artists' impression of this portrait. If you don't come up with some source, I will keep deleting the picture.--Niohe 01:23, 24 December 2006 (UTC)

To continue on the topic of vandalism, Wikipedia policy states: "Repeatedly uploading images with no source and/or license information after notification that such information is required may also constitute vandalism."

I advise you to respond to all of the above.--Niohe 01:37, 24 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Go to the Wikimedia Commons of "Empress Dowager Ci'an" and you will find the original portrait, or if you have looked at the article with enough care, you would have found the original portrait on the article. Highshines 03:24, 24 December 2006 (UTC)


 * You said something about "repeatedly uploading images with no source and/or license information after notification that such information is required". I don't know whom that is referring to. I don't remember doing so. If it is referring to me, please provide some instances when I "repeatedly uploaded images with no source and/or license information after notification that such information is required". Highshines 04:23, 24 December 2006 (UTC)


 * I admit that I sometimes edited some pages without a summary. That's because I wasn't accustomed of doing so. I think in the future I will remember filling out a summary. Highshines 04:35, 24 December 2006 (UTC)


 * In addition, you should be aware of arbitary personalities assault, such as calling people "sneaky". Highshines 04:38, 24 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Sorry, but you have not provided me with the source of this image, all you have done is given me a link to another picture. So you still haven't answered the question, and I removed both these images as a result. Please don't put them back up or I will report this to WP:AN/I.


 * As for examples of "repeatedly uploading of unsourced images," why don't we start with the three images that you have put on this page? Well, you have given the following fake URLs http://qianlong.netor.com/gallery, http://guangxu.netor.com/gallery and http://puyi.netor.com/gallery, none of which lead anywhere. Almost every picture you have uploaded to Wikipedia or Wikipedia commons have dead links like this. May I ask why you do this and why you are so reluctant to divulge the sources of you articles? And don't you realize that any editor can remove unsourced images like these?


 * These URLs were changed since I transfered the images. What made you think they are fake?Highshines 23:03, 28 December 2006 (UTC)


 * You know that is not true. You have been referring to these URLs for most of your images for a long time and for as long as I have looked at them they have led nowhere. By they way, I just checked your user page at Wikimedia Commons and it was full of copyright warnings.--Niohe 01:53, 29 December 2006 (UTC)


 * By the way, as late as today you gave the dead link http://guangxu.netor.com/gallery as the source of an image. Why even pretending that this is a real URL?--Niohe 02:19, 29 December 2006 (UTC)


 * I got these images from these web memorial graves for dead people, uploaded unto my computer and saved them into a disk a long time ago, maybe two or three years ago. Since then, the branch URLs of these web graves were either changed or removed. Isn't your conclusion about the fakeness of the URLs too early? Highshines 04:47, 29 December 2006 (UTC)


 * You know my images are not longer subjected to copyright, because almost all of them are more than a hundred years old since they were taken during the Qing Dynasty, and their copyrights were automatically expired after the fall of their only possible creater and copyright holder - the Qing government. Furthermore, these images were released to the public after the founding of the government of PRC. There is no need to worry about infringing someone's copyright by putting up these images even if there is no source information. After all, I did provide their original sources, which were not faked, but rather changed. You've got lots of things which are far more meaningful to do than questioning these images.Highshines 00:40, 31 December 2006 (UTC)


 * As for my statement about sneakyness, I referred to your editing, not to you. Your edits are known for the use of multiple sock puppets and anonymous IP addresses, for the lack of edit summaries and the fact that they are tagged "this is a minor edit" (m) - even if you add two or three unsourced images. If that is not sneaky editing, what is?--Niohe 14:33, 26 December 2006 (UTC)

I am deleting the large image. It is merely a altered version of one of the two Cian images already on this page (the one with her body turned to the left) Whoever made that imagen simply removed the background and painted over it in dark red. It is a unneccessary image since the original painting already exists on the page. I also changed the dates, since Cian died when she was 43 or 44, not 45, and added that she was Empress Dowager as well as Consort. 19:39, 5 February 2007 (UTC)Spleefmistress