Talk:Niyogi Brahmin

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It is better not to mention the sub divisions in Niyogi. The sub-division may not be on strong base. Particularly in Andhra this kind of encroachment/grabbings are common not only real properties but community. Since ages Niyogis are recognized as most important in state craft. They served as Prime Ministers in so many royal courts. Base level administration of old kingdoms is dependent on Noyogis. My particular doubt is why Niyogi are seperately kept in the society so far. No marriages with other brahmin sects, even no common daining.

This kind of prohibition in my opinion is that these people not aboriginal sect. So to safeguard the speciality certain rtestrictions were imposed in the above circumstances.

Here i am more particulary asking the brothern to enlight me the reasons behind the restrictions. Why other people so eager to establish relations with this particular sect.

The word niyogi refers to what? Niyogi is a seperate entity for ages not known. There are some stories that are not purely dependable. However the recognition as seperate entity started at earliest millinium. It may be from Krithayuga as Bhargava Rama a great warrior and Agasthya and Koundinya so on... But these Rishis are common for other sects of brahmins.

Why this sect elected state-craft, war field and service as their livelyhood.

all are invited for discussion.

send your opinions to my id chandavaramr@yahoomail.com

eligibility for priestly service
in the following source, [1] http://www.vedah.net/manasanskriti/Brahmins.html#Brahmins_of_Andhra_Pradesh it clearly states that ''The Niyogis are considered to be eligible for priestly service. But they will never either accept a religious gift or partake of Sraaddha food (food given to Brahmins duiring the death related rituals).'' but this article states that niyogis are not.--Irutavias 17:00, 25 October 2007 (UTC)

Sistikaranam

I am a sistikaranam myself and I believed that we are kayashtas but this article clubs us with Niyogis. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 221.215.157.190 (talk) 10:18, 31 May 2008 (UTC)

Hi...

Some historical, literary references inidcate that village administration in andhra (atleast to start with coastal andhra..),kalinga prior to emergence of niyogi brahmins was dominted by kayasthas....more specifically Karano of orissa.. in all probability Sistikaranam's (actually, 'Sistu' karanam.... meaning 'tax' collectors..) are descendents of those.

The Aruvela Niyogi's were apparently 'imported' &/or mass-appointed in an inspired moment (by a strategically located chief of Revenue administration.... one Rayamantri..) to end the hegemony of oriya karanams in Andhra desa - so there's a coup involved here...:-)

Techically, sistikaranams are not considered Niyogis, but considered a different sect, but are considered a brahmins in andhra, albeit different from the others (non-vegetarian?. Incidentally a lot of the sistikaranam family surnames end in mahanti, which is a brahmin lastname in orissa?..., sistikaranam's could be brahmin derivative afterall... do you agree?)

Hi. A genetic marker study on sistikaranams proves otherwise. the community has proven to have significant deviation atleast from Andhra Brahmins. But the sample size was very small for the study to be really significant. Would post the paper here soon.

M

The surnames and inline citations
Is there really necessary to list all those surnames in the article? And, also, some more inline citations would be good. AKoan (talk) 09:14, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

VVS Laxman and Hemachandra
I am not sure, but are they not Sri Vaishnavas? Can anyone clarify this? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 110.234.140.142 (talk) 10:53, 12 November 2011 (UTC)

sista/sistu karanam
hi this group is a brahmin sect. to prove there are sources in padma, Bhavishya, kurma puranas plz verify data and post. Person belong to a sect just felt that they may not be brahmins need not be considered whether all we agree or not sistukaranams have rituals like rest of brahmins in india and similar kind of karanam job holders like kulkarni,tyagi,ambalvasi of kerala are brahmins.In kayasta also they are brahma kshatriya community. gotras for sista karans are just as what brahmins are having.probably no other caste hold gotra,s of sapta rishis — Preceding unsigned comment added by 101.63.222.60 (talk) 10:58, 9 February 2012 (UTC)

sitakaranam
To Mathew vanitas – for information for updating in your sista “karanam” page as well as niyogi Brahmins page accordingly. I took so much effort in old telugu texts and extracts of Sanskrit slokas from various puranaas

•	Kayashtha sistakarana sanskarinoyadi tadate yogyama poorvidhyarambhecha vai dwijah: Iti bhavishya purana vachana pramanenasanskaranantaram kayastha sistakaranadinam vidhyarambhe bhavathi. •	Kayashta sistakaranah braahmanovainasamsaya sadachaarajanamhitwaa raajanya mantrina sthithah:

•	Rushiinaam chitraguptasya kayeshthityayatobhavet tasmaat kayasthayityeh tannamalokeypratistithah: karanam kshetremeteshaam sistam yasmaatprakirtitam thathastheh “sistakararana” lokekhyathah: prathistithaha:

•	Rushiinaam chitraguptasya kayeshthityayatobhavet tathah sreshsta bhavatpoorvam kaayasthabraahma jaatikah: kasyaprajapateerayea laabheyasmatpravartitah tasmaat kayasthamityaa hucchitraguptamcha surayah: (kurmapuranam)

•	Kayashta sistakaranah braahmanopinasamsaya nrupaanaaam vyavahaaraya surasreshtena yogithah: (Bhavishya puranam) •	Sistani vyatiriktani adhitya patithyaa sistaa visantika bhavanthi sisteshuvaa sistabhaaga pravesayogya sistaa astavimsati gananaam purakarah:sarvasreshto bhavanthiupagrandhaviniyogaha: patitaara sista karanaah: sistakaranah: (Kamalakara bhatta pranita Charana vyuham )

•	Sasani ghatia kotiki santho ya srotriya bhodri sahu panda satapasthi sistakaranakhyalu nutkala desa viprulai desa videsamul tirugu dittarulaitanu delpanodu vaatasanudaina vari vividhantara saakhala pekku vartanal (vipravamsamu)

•	Sriyuta loukya vartanulu sistagunul kratusadgruhadhipaameya Ghana parabhidulamitra vishudhanataabhiyuktha bhunaayakamaanya sistakaranaakhyulu veeralajathapadmapatrayatanetra janyulu tatkaranaakhyanu dalturentayun(vipravamsamu)

•	Gouda viprulaguchu Ghana rachakarya nirvahakatwa nipuna vaibhavamuna sistulai charimpa sistakaranamulani vaaduchundurakhila vasudha janulu (vedanarayana katha sudharasamu by kaanduri laxmanacharyulu) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 115.184.116.68 (talk) 08:36, 15 February 2012 (UTC)

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