Talk:No. 666 Squadron AAC

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There has been a good deal of confusion, with respect to the origins of 666 (AOP) Squadron. Canadians have mistakenly stated that the three 'Canadian' A.O.P. squadrons (with 664 (AOP) Squadron and 665 (AOP) Squadron) were Royal Air Force Squadrons, simply by virtue of being in the '600' series. Members of the British Forces have refused to believe that current Army Air Corps or R.A.F. Squadrons could have been founded by the R.C.A.F. Both schools of thought, however, are wrong.

The three Canadian Air Observation Post Squadrons of World War Two were, indeed, squadrons of the R.C.A.F., and not the R.A.F. The three squadron 'Operation Record Books' are currently held in the National Archives of Canada, Ottawa, under File (AOP) Squadron, and 666 (RCAF)(AOP) Squadron, as listed.
 * 1) C12430, the day-to-day information included therein which pertains to the war history to 664 (RCAF)(AOP) Squadron, 665 (RCAF)

Within the hundreds of pages of archive material pertaining to these three R.C.A.F. squadrons in Ottawa, there is a notation on practically every page, clearly identifying the squadron as being an R.C.A.F. squadron. No such record exists in any R.A.F. archive, anywhere, pertaining to the World War Two histories of these three Canadian squadrons, as 664, 665, and 666 were not approved for raising by the R.A.F., nor were the personnel paid by the R.A.F. The following is just one page of the Ottawa National Archive File pertaining to the R.C.A.F. (AOP) Squadrons:

S E C R E T

26th April 1945 Officer Commanding No. 666 (RCAF) A.O.P. Squadron, R.A.F. Station Andover, Hants.

Operations Record Book - March, 1945

1.                 Your initial Operations Record Book was of comparatively high standard and it is hoped this interest in its compilation will be maintained.

2.                 Your attention, however, is brought to              the following points:

(a) The name of the compiling officer should appear on the first page of F.540 each month. (b) It is important that the original copy should be in                    original typing throughout. (c) Where appropriate the following entries should appear at the end of the month in addition to personnel strength - (i) total flying time divided into operational and non- operational, (ii) a/c strength by mark and type, (iii) total operational sorties, (iv) postings in and out of aircrew (only), (v) promotions of officers and commissioning of air- men, (vi) honours, decorations and awards, (vii) e/a victories.

3.                As certain A.O.P. Squadrons in the past have not submitted a Form 541 as soon as they became operational, you are advised that it is imperative that a F.541 should be rendered when- ever operations are carried out. All instructions necessary for its compilation are contained in AP.3040, which also covers the above points.

(signed) (W.R. Thompson) W/C for A.O.C.-in-C., R.C.A.F., Overseas

S/L Jenkins/WE DAS:His.II

_________________________________________________________________________________________________

It should also be mentioned that the pilots in all three of these Canadian (R.C.A.F.) (AOP) squadrons were not R.C.A.F. personnel, but A.O.P.-trained officers of the Royal Canadian Artillery, assisted (in the initial organization of the three squadrons) by officers transferred to the Canadian squadrons from the Royal Artillery, on 'short-term' loan. Lt/Col. Dave Fromow's book entitled, 'Canada's Flying Gunners' (Ottawa: A.O.P. Pilot's Assiciation, 2002) provides a full, current history of the three (RCAF) (AOP) squadrons which operated overseas. A further 'yet unpublished' 400-page manuscript entitled 'Artillery Flyers At War - A History of the 664, 665, and 666 (AOP) Squadrons of the Royal Canadian Air Force' has also been completed at the University of Calgary, as of March, 2008. Other authoriative references in this regard may be found in: 'The Crucible of War 1939-1945 - The Official History of the Royal Canadian Air Force, Volume III' (page 350), Col. Nicholson's 'Official History of the Royal Regiment of Canadian Artillery, Volume II,' and in 'Battery Flashes of WWII,' by D.W. Falconer. Major Stewart, who was the O.C. of 666 (RCAF) (AOP) Squadron in 1945, was asked to write the introduction to 'Battle History 666' (Epe: 666 (RCAF)(AOP) Squadron, 1945), as follows:

' As the Commanding Officer of No. 666 (RCAF) AOP Squadron I have been asked by the compilers to write a fore-word to                         this, our Unit History. As all personnel if the Squadron know, our Unit was not among those privileged to prove itself against the enemy, however, in preparing for its allotted task and while filling its role after the cessation of hostilities, an untold number of incidents occurred within the Squadron which will long live in the memory of us all. In this History, therefore, an attempt has been made to                         capture for all time the many human everyday occurrances with (sic) moulded the daily life of the Squadron. I take this opportunity in expressing my heartfelt thanks to all ranks for the efforts you have put forth in making this a successful and efficient Unit.'

—Preceding unsigned comment added by 137.186.207.2 (talk) 23:40, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

EXCELLENT primary information. I have moved the bulk of the article to No. 666 Squadron RCAF as it seems obvious to me we are discussing two different squadrons, a wartime RCAF Sqn and a postwar RAF sqn. Hopefully this is acceptable to all. I will move the above info to the talk page of the new article also. Michael Dorosh Talk  03:02, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

Biggles
That was Major Bigglesworth's squadron in the Biggles books by W.E Johns. However it was a fighter squadron. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 186.92.129.94 (talk) 21:27, 26 November 2013 (UTC)