Talk:No More Parties in LA/GA1

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Reviewer: Zmbro (talk · contribs) 21:10, 12 November 2020 (UTC)

I'll review sometime this weekend :-) – zmbro (talk) 21:10, 12 November 2020 (UTC)
 * I look forward to hearing your comments, better late than never! --K. Peake 21:44, 12 November 2020 (UTC)

Infobox and lead

 * Infobox looks good
 * You can refer to Kendrick by his surname only after the first use. It is NOT the same thing as Paul Wall as Lamar is his actual middle name
 * ✅ my bad for not receongizing this --K. Peake 21:38, 14 November 2020 (UTC)


 * "Production of the song was handled by West and Madlib, who started to record it in 2010." → It was produced by West and Madlib, who began recording in 2010. Also, link Madlib
 * ✅ --K. Peake 21:38, 14 November 2020 (UTC)


 * "Freddie Gibbs was supposed to use the song's beat, until Madlib passed it on to West and Kendrick Lamar." → The beat was originally offered to rapper Freddie Gibbs before Madlib gave it to West and Lamar, who used it instead.
 * ✅ with changes --K. Peake 21:38, 14 November 2020 (UTC)


 * "The release date fell on a Monday, as West having a Yeezy Season 3 fitting caused a delay." This to me is irrelevant to the lead.
 * ✅ --K. Peake 21:38, 14 November 2020 (UTC)


 * "In the lyrics, Hollywood culture and the fame game are reflected on by West, after Kendrick Lamar recounts a relationship's beginning." → In the lyrics, West reflects on Hollywood culture and the pressures of fame, while Lamar recounts the beginning of a relationship. (Not sure what is meant by "fame game")
 * ✅ with clarification, does this make sense now? --K. Peake 21:38, 14 November 2020 (UTC)


 * ""No More Parties in LA" received highly positive reviews from music critics, many of whom praised West's verse. They often appreciated his lyricism and others complimented Kendrick Lamar's verse, though a few critics highlighted the song's sampling." These can easily be combined. Change to something like ""No More Parties in LA" received highly positive reviews from music critics, many of whom praised both artists' verses and lyricism while others highlighted the sampling."
 * ❌ it is better for overview to give separate sentences about the reception in this context --K. Peake 21:38, 14 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Understood. – zmbro (talk) 18:21, 15 November 2020 (UTC)


 * "The song was certified gold in the United States by the Recording Industry Association of America (RIAA)." When?
 * ✅ --K. Peake 21:38, 14 November 2020 (UTC)


 * "Yasiin Bey released his freestyle "No More Parties in SA" in January 2016, which is in reference to the song." → Yasiin Bey referenced the song in his freestyle "No More Parties in SA" in January 2016. (Although I struggle to see this sentence's relevance to the lead)
 * ✅ but it is relevant because the body talks about the freestyle in depth and it is clearly notable for the article --K. Peake 21:38, 14 November 2020 (UTC)


 * A remix of the song was shared by Freddie Gibbs that same month, while Sporting Life later released his remix in February 2017. (same thing as previous comment)
 * ❌ the remixes are notable for the lead, especially the Gibbs one because he was going to use the beat originally --K. Peake 21:38, 14 November 2020 (UTC)

Background and development

 * Again, surname only for Lamar. If you don't agree look at his own article and see for yourself.
 * ✅ --K. Peake 21:38, 14 November 2020 (UTC)


 * ""No More Parties in LA" marked the first ever collaboration between Kendrick Lamar and West, following on from the acclaim that the former of the two received during 2015." I assume you're talking about To Pimp a Butterfly? A reader who knows nothing about Lamar isn't going to know that. I'd verify what you mean.
 * ✅ by removing the acclaim part because it is not worth writing in, logically --K. Peake 21:38, 14 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Yeah it really isn't in the context of this song. – zmbro (talk) 18:21, 15 November 2020 (UTC)


 * "On February 16, 2016, shortly after the release of the song," Wouldn't this be after the release of TLoP?
 * "West revealed that they have 40 unreleased songs together. West continued," → West revealed that they have 40 unreleased songs together. He continued,"
 * ✅ for the above --K. Peake 21:38, 14 November 2020 (UTC)


 * This whole section is out of chronological order. You go from 2013 to 2016, back to 2010, and back to 2016. I would make it flow chronologically, at least that's how I was told to write during my FAC.
 * ❌ in this context it is fine because not only are the separate paragraphs about different background (Kendrick Lamar's feature, GOOD Fridays, and sampling), but this is a GAN not FAC so those guidelines are not necessarily to be applied here --K. Peake 21:38, 14 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Understood. – zmbro (talk) 18:21, 15 November 2020 (UTC)


 * Start new para on "As a result"
 * "As a result of having wrote American bassist Larry Graham's "Stand Up and Shout About Love", which the track samples, the bassist, Tina Graham and Sam Dees received writing credits on "No More Parties in LA"." Too many words → "The song samples American bassist Larry Graham's "Stand Up and Shout About Love", resulting in him, Tina Graham, and Sam Dees receiving writing credits on "No More Parties in LA"."
 * ✅ for the above


 * "Drake responded by uploading a photo to his Instagram that showed a vinyl copy of Graham's debut studio album One in a Million You (1980), which the recording is from." There's a much better way to word this than "which the recording is from.". Try "Drake responded by uploading a photo to his Instagram that showed a vinyl copy of the sample track's [or "Stand Up and Shout About Love"'s] parent album One in a Million You (1980)."
 * ✅ with changes but shouldn't I mention it being his debut? --K. Peake 21:38, 14 November 2020 (UTC)
 * No I don't think that's that important here. – zmbro (talk) 18:21, 15 November 2020 (UTC)


 * "Since they wrote American rapper Ghostface Killah's "Mighty Healthy", a recording sampled on the track, " Again, worded weird. Try, ""No More Parties in LA" also samples Ghostface Killah's "Mighty Healthy", for which the rapper, Herb Rooney, Mathematics, and Highleigh Crizoe receive writing credits."
 * ✅ with changes --K. Peake 21:38, 14 November 2020 (UTC)

Recording

 * "; the two produced the song" remove this. Parent sentence implies it; if you don't like it, say "West and American musician Madlib began production on the song in 2010,..."
 * ✅ --K. Peake 21:38, 14 November 2020 (UTC)


 * "He recalled being able to "paint the scene of how I felt sitting there with Madlib, working on these tracks, and just hearing the textures." reads weird; changes from third to first person in less than 10 words. Try "He recalled: "[I was able to] paint the scene of how I felt sitting there with Madlib, working on these tracks, and just hearing the textures."
 * ✅ with changes --K. Peake 21:38, 14 November 2020 (UTC)


 * The second sentence regarding the featurette needs to be flipped with the first or third. You can't say "West spoke about collaborating with Madlib." to "West also rapped lyrics" and back to "After West recounted collaborating with him, "
 * ✅ I think I know what you are trying to say, how does this look?
 * Yeah that's better. – zmbro (talk) 18:21, 15 November 2020 (UTC)


 * "wrote 90 of the lines on the plane there." 90 out of what?
 * ❌ the exact number of lines is not reported anywhere that I can find


 * [13][8] ref order
 * "Madlib also mentioned that sampling a recording by a musician," → "Madlib also mentioned that when sampling a recording by a musician,"
 * "the entirety of the album it is from" → "the entirety of its parent album"
 * ✅ for the above --K. Peake 21:38, 14 November 2020 (UTC)


 * "He also admitted West "waited too long" due to various sampled instrumentals ultimately being used for Madlib and rapper Freddie Gibbs' second collaborative studio album Bandana (2019) instead of the song." This is a huge mouthful. Try rewording
 * ✅ but this was confusing, does it look ok? --K. Peake 21:38, 14 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Still reads the same way for me. That "instead of the song" bit at the end is what makes it odd. I'd find a way to remove that but still make the context clear. – zmbro (talk) 18:21, 15 November 2020 (UTC)
 * I have re-added "ultimately" but removed the awkward part, how are things now? --K. Peake 07:29, 16 November 2020 (UTC)


 * Just use surname for Gibbs.
 * ❌ because this is not the same as Kendrick Lamar's name --K. Peake 21:38, 14 November 2020 (UTC)

Composition and lyrics

 * Since you mention all the samples and writers of those here, what's the need for repeating it all in background?
 * ❌ since the songs' writing information should be re-introduced in the comp section, plus I have used surnames where previously mentioned and not all of the songwriting credits from samples are mentioned in the lead anyway --K. Peake 21:38, 14 November 2020 (UTC)


 * "from basketball video game NBA Jam (2010)." → "from the basketball video game NBA Jam (2010).
 * ✅ --K. Peake 21:38, 14 November 2020 (UTC)


 * "a variety of aspects of Hollywood culture and the fame game." Again, what is "the fame game"? → "a variety of aspects about Hollywood culture and the pressures of fame."
 * ✅ is this good clarifying? --K. Peake 21:38, 14 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Yeah much better. – zmbro (talk) 18:21, 15 November 2020 (UTC)


 * "West briefly raps alongside Kendrick Lamar at the start of the song, " This needs to be said before "The first verse is delivered by Kendrick Lamar, who adds to the song's backdrop."
 * ✅ if this reads fine? --K. Peake 21:38, 14 November 2020 (UTC)
 * No that just makes it read like a run-on. You should make it clear that West says the 2-3 lines before Lamar comes in (or make it fit to whatever the source says). – zmbro (talk) 18:21, 15 November 2020 (UTC)
 * ✅ --K. Peake 07:29, 16 November 2020 (UTC)
 * With that being said, → "Lamar chronicles the beginning of a relationship; references American singer-songwriter Erykah Badu in a line, using her for a sexual verb."
 * ✅ with changes --K. Peake 21:38, 14 November 2020 (UTC)


 * Rest looks good. Thanks for mentioning the continuation of "Real Friends" and "Pablo"
 * Super cool you picked up on that! --K. Peake 21:38, 14 November 2020 (UTC)

Release and artwork

 * "Kardashian explained that "No More Parties in LA" missed the scheduled Friday release date of January 15, 2016 due to West not finishing it in time because of a Yeezy Season 3 fitting in Italy, with her apologizing for the postponed release." These can be separate sentences. Try ""No More Parties in LA" missed its original scheduled Friday release date of January 15, 2016". Kardashian apologized on West's behalf and explained that this was due to him not finishing the song in time because of a Yeezy Season 3 fitting in Italy."
 * "GOOD Fridays series on January 18, 2016, though this date fell on a Monday instead." → "GOOD Fridays series on Monday, January 18, 2016.
 * ✅ for the above --K. Peake 21:38, 14 November 2020 (UTC)


 * "Similarly to that of "Real Friends", the artwork displays West at a very young age.[29] On the cover art, West is shown at a social gathering with his family." Way too many words. Also, this can't be true as in the "Real Friends" artwork he looks late-teens to College Dropout-era while "LA" he looks like he's not even 10.
 * ✅ after re-wording the young part, but what is the issue with too many words? --K. Peake 21:38, 14 November 2020 (UTC)
 * No that made it worse. "much younger version of West than him in 2016" makes it sound like he's a robot. I'm trying to say that in the "LA" artwork he's significantly younger than how he appears on "Real Friends". IMO you can't say both are a young age when in one he looks 8 and the other he looks 18. But I guess if that's what the source says... My main issue with "too many words" is you say "the artwork" and immediately after "on the cover art". But if there's no better way to word it then I guess it's ok. – zmbro (talk) 18:21, 15 November 2020 (UTC)
 * I have removed the usage of "much" --K. Peake 07:29, 16 November 2020 (UTC)

Critical reception

 * "She preferred West's performance on the song to Kendrick Lamar's," → "She preferred West's performance to Lamar's"
 * "his lyricism, liking the storytelling provided by him" again, too many words, keep it short and sweet: his lyricism, complimenting his storytelling."
 * "G.O.O.D. Fridays era" kind of a small nitpick but is it "G.O.O.D. Fridays" or "GOOD Fridays"? Written as "GOOD Fridays" throughout except here
 * Whole section seems kind of quote-heavy, especially when compared to "Drive Slow". I'd paraphrase a few of these
 * ✅ --K. Peake 21:38, 14 November 2020 (UTC)

Accolades

 * "The track was listed by HipHopDX as the 13th best song of 2016, and its best achievement was being ranked as the seventh best song of the year by Treblezine." → "The track was listed by HipHopDX as the 13th best song of 2016. Its highest positioning was given by Treblezine, who ranked it the 7th best song of the year.
 * "the best of January 2016" This may be just me but this doesn't seem like that big an accomplishment when compared to the next sentence. Plus, how many rap songs came out that month? Even if we weren't talked out rap, there were plenty of good verses found on this farewell gem.
 * ✅ for the above --K. Peake 21:38, 14 November 2020 (UTC)


 * "It was ultimately nominated in no categories whatsoever at the ceremony in 2017, which Sam Rullo of the publication viewed as a snub." I wholeheartedly agree. Most of the noms went to "Ultralight Beam", which lost to this non-rap song. Just another instance that proves award shows are pointless.
 * Yeah that awards show lost credibility totally, I still love the song despite it only receiving nominations --K. Peake 21:38, 14 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Yeah don't get me wrong "Ultralight Beam" is an amazing song. But the entire 2010s decade they did West dirty. I mean, not nominating MBDTF for Album of the Year? What kind of BS is that? They also completely overlooked KSG and Ye in 2019. I remember Yeezus hardly won anything either. It's why idc about award shows like the Grammys cuz music is entirely subjective. – zmbro (talk) 18:21, 15 November 2020 (UTC)

Commercial performance

 * Looks good

In popular culture

 * "In March 2016, West's sister-in-law Kendall Jenner named the track as her favourite song from the album.[52]" Personally don't see the point of having this. Also, it's "favorite" here in the states
 * ✅ but this can be kept because the opinion of a non-critic that is a relation of sorts to West is a fully relevant part of culture --K. Peake 21:38, 14 November 2020 (UTC)


 * "Erykah Badu responded to Kendrick Lamar's name–drop of her in it in July 2016, tweeting that he "ain't called me since y'all made up some s[hi]t about us being in the trailer makin' out so he missed his award."[54] A photograph of the two of them at the 2013 BET Awards accompanied the tweet, which the text was in reference to." This can be condensed to "Erykah Badu responded to Kendrick Lamar's name–drop of her in it in July 2016, tweeting a photograph of the two of them at the 2013 BET Awards and writing, "[he] ain't called me since y'all made up some s[hi]t about us being in the trailer makin' out so he missed his award."
 * ✅ --K. Peake 21:38, 14 November 2020 (UTC)


 * Not really sure how much of the rest is needed, or if it qualifies WP:TRIVIA
 * I did remove the video essay since that is quite trivial, but the rest I believe is not especially the usage for other recordings since they were not just sampling brief parts of the song --K. Peake 21:38, 14 November 2020 (UTC)

Credits and personnel

 * Looks good, although I'd spell out California
 * ❌ since this is not how the source presents the location and studios are commonly presented in articles the same way as the original source does --K. Peake 21:38, 14 November 2020 (UTC)

Charts

 * Looks good

Certifications

 * Looks good

Concensus

 * Overall looks good. We definitely have many different writing styles but that's the pros and cons of this site. Should be a GA once these are resolved. On hold for now. – zmbro (talk) 19:26, 14 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Thank you very much for this review, I have implemented most of the changes and replied to you anywhere that I disagreed! --K. Peake 21:38, 14 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Added replies above. Only a few more things to be straightened out and this should be good to go. – zmbro (talk) 18:21, 15 November 2020 (UTC)
 * I have replied to the last three points, is this ready to be passed now? --K. Peake 07:29, 16 November 2020 (UTC)


 * Ye. – zmbro (talk) 19:35, 16 November 2020 (UTC)