Talk:No pain, no gain

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I can't believe you're taking such a disagreeable approach to this article. Do you think there is no wisdom in this saying? Do you think that you can learn and grow without experiencing defeat and pain at some time? Bodybuilders aren't wrong when they say this, because working out causes pain, and I don't need fancy sources to look that up, I know that for a fact. When you put your muscles under stress, it causes microtears in your muscles, and they are replaced and get bigger. Working out hurts, and therefore: no pain no gain...it's true. Not to mention it helps motivate bodybuilders get through a tough workout, and if it works for them, then I wouldn't be arguing with them, cause they sure seem to know what they're doing.
 * The truth is, pain does not help progression, and microtears actually delay it. There are more and more studies pointing that way. Pain is an alert signal from your body, it doesn't exist for no reason. Think it like the "earth is flat": this is what your eyes tell you, yet it couldn't be more wrong. Same goes for "no pain no gain", it's an incorrect observation made without seeing the big picture.

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Removed from article
This quote isn't even trivia, so it can't stay in the article, but I've decided to move it here.

NO PAINS, NO GAINS

If little labour, little are our gains;

Man's fortunes are according to his pains.

Robert Herrick (1591-1674)

--Yamara ✉  03:18, 24 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Actually, it seems it has a place, but requires some context. -Yamara ✉  06:21, 24 March 2008 (UTC)

Change of DeBarra Mayo picture request
I really hate to be the one to write this, but I do not like this picture (the one right in the beginning with the quotation, "Fitness advocate DeBarra Mayo in workout gear, 1987.." It almost looks pornographic with her nipples being hard. I mean, I know this is a fitness article, but couldn't we choose a better picture? Just a thought and suggestion. Faithfullyclever (talk) —Preceding undated comment was added at 04:37, 17 November 2008 (UTC).

On the Origin of the Expression
The two citations in the main article have two weaknesses. First, the dates, 1630 and 1733, were a long time to Jane Fonda's 1982 usage. Though earliest found, a more recent citation would lend more credence to Jane Fonda's inspiration. Second, both citations were in the plural of pains and gains, whereas the current expression is in the singular.

An alternate origin is a play on the No tickee, no shirtee expression attributed to Chinese laundry workers. It has the same construction and also in singular because the Chinese language has no plural. Comments welcome.LoopTel (talk) 23:56, 11 December 2008 (UTC)

Studies?
This article seems to adequately explain the concept, but it would be helpful to include references to whatever research has been done on the subject. --97.115.97.234 (talk) 07:49, 7 June 2010 (UTC)

Veracity?
Is this true? Can gains be made without pain? Is there a linear relationship between pain and gain? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.18.99.191 (talk) 16:43, 16 December 2011 (UTC)

Reincarnation & 'No Pain, No Gain'
I tweaked the intro with... The motto is also used by some promoting reincarnation.<ref]citation needed</ref] 2601:589:4801:5660:64E5:EC80:1E86:1B9A (talk) 10:02, 28 July 2021 (UTC)