Talk:Noah Bennet/Archive 1

First Name
In distractions, when HRG's driver's license is shown, His signature is visible. It really really looks like "Gregory", however Im not sure how confindant one can be on this little info.Mrxerox 02:21, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

I, too, thought it was Gregory on the signature, and maybe 'Ryan' as a middle name. My only question would be, is that the character's signature, or some random Texas DMV official?

The signature over his picture? Yeah, I think that's just a random offical. There's a signature in the corner, but it's just "Bennet."http://img246.imageshack.us/img246/5551/picture5ti9.png However due to all the biblical names on the show, and how they relate to the characters, I believe his name will be Abraham, just speculation though..GENick403 11:13, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Oooh, nearly called that one.WorldsCollide 21:58, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

The signature above his picture is from the director of DMV's. (it says director after it)-Jack Bando, 00:38 AM 25 May 2007(GMT -6)

Alias
I don't think "Horn-Rimmed Glasses" should be regarded as an alias. Professor Suresh (the son) simply refers to Mr. Bennet as "the man with the horned rimmed glasses" because he doesn't know his name. Are people trying to build his character like that of the Cigarette Smoking Man? Mdriver1981 23:23, 6 November 2006 (UTC)


 * It's actually the name most commonly used outside of the fiction, and officially, no less. While not used often in fiction, between that common and MOHINDER's mention in fiction, it should count. Ace Class Shadow; My talk. 00:11, 7 November 2006 (UTC)


 * To complement what ACS said, Horn-Rimmed Glasses is what every non-Odessa resident that's mentioned him calls him. Nathan refers to him as "a man with horn-rimmed glasses" in the latest episode as well. --dws90 05:46, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

This is a pet-peeve of mine: Mr. Bennett does not wear horn-rimmed glasses. They are the Clubman style, and at best could generically be called "half-rimmed". But they are absolutely not horn-rimmed. Even a cursory look into this will confirm it. I drives me crazy that people refer to him as such.


 * Agreed, horn-rimmed glasses (like Buddy Holly's or Elvis Costello's) have the horn, tortoise shell or plastic going all around the frame. I have a pair almost exactly like Mr. Bennet's which have the plastic part above the lenses with metal coming down below. Shuron Ronsir Zyl's (Malcolm X glasses). I think too many people see the part where the frame attaches to the temples and think that must be why they're called "horn-rimmed."

Thanks for signing your posts guys. Also, the glasses he tries on in "Company Man" that cause Claire to comment "Grandma glasses" were proper horn-rimmed ones. The ones he usually wears are NOT horn-rimmed but are usually MISTAKEN for horn-rimmed which I'm guessing was the whole point behind having that as his nickname. Also because "Clubman-style glasses man" sounds... well yeah, I don't really need to elaborate there. 203.14.180.98 01:09, 24 May 2007 (UTC)

The graphic novel that introduces Hana refers to him as "A man with Horn Rimmed Glasses." I think there's enough use of the term early on in the series to count that as an alias. The page currently says he was introduced as "Horn-Rimmed Glasses" which I am changing to "the man with Horn-Rimmed Glasses." Slick023 4:21, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

Villian or Hero?
The series seems to suggest that his role may not be villianous. Someone should comment about that in the article. Mdriver1981 19:38, 7 November 2006 (UTC)


 * Not really. In general, it's better not to add pontentially redundant, obvious, non-neutral POV or OR to articles. Readers can form their own opinions, are none at all. Saying that his role is ambiguous might seem insulting. Ace Class Shadow; My talk. 23:09, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
 * He is just a character on a TV series. Why would one be insulted by an allegation made on a ficticious person?24.59.186.128 06:12, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
 * I meant to the reader. They can draw their own conclusions. Plus, saying "it's ambigiuous" would just open the door for POV assestments in the future. Ace Class Shadow; My talk. 07:32, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
 * There have been a lot of edits to various Heroes pages along the lines of "We don't know if he is aware of this", "It is unclear how strong her power is", "It is unknown to what extent he can use his power", etc. Although I may have been guilty of adding these (probably not, but I can't state so with 100% certainty), I now usually try to remove these because they are not information.  They are specifically a lack of information.  Encyclopedias don't generally include lacks of information, though they may lack information.  Please don't add stuff that we don't know; we'll add it once we do know.  --Psiphiorg 07:52, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Excellent, Psi. I couldn't have said it better myself. Ace Class Shadow; My talk. 08:08, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

I'm confused. Why didn't Mr. Bennet have Brody Mitchum killed after learning that he tried to rape his daughter. I thought that he was the type of character that doesn’t seem bothered by killing. Surely he could have done so and gotten away with it. He seems to have an undying love for his daughter; therefore killing her attacker should seem like the right thing to do in his mind. Mdriver1981 02:38, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
 * *Gasp!* Ace Class Shadow; My talk. 02:47, 17 November 2006 (UTC)


 * We've seen no evidence on the show that Bennet is a killer. He hasn't killed anyone yet or expressed a desire to kill anyone besides Brody.  And even if he were capable of murder, killing Brody in the hospital would result in a police investigation in which he would be looked at as a suspect, given that Brody was just in a car crash with his daughter.  THe memory wipe was a much cleaner way of dealing with Brody. Primogen 18:14, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
 * It's facinating. I like his character. Mdriver1981 22:03, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Remember, guys, this isn't a forum. Ace Class Shadow; My talk. 22:49, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Oh. Thanks for the heads-up. I wouldn't want Wikipedia agents knocking on my door. Mdriver1981 08:22, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

Rewriting
Tried to bring it in line with the other character pages I've edited. Bennet's page particularly seemed to lack any clear text about who the character is (as opposed to the stuff he did).

Not sure about lack of information not being encyclopedic. While most of it seems needless (will we ever know the limits of ANYONE's powers completely? :)), some of it seems important to the character in question.

I wrote the line "Bennet's agenda and afilliation are shrouded in mystery." Is it bad? Renenarciso 19:28, 13 November 2006 (UTC)


 * I would say that "shrouded in mystery" is actual information, not lack of information, as it indicates not merely that we don't know something, but that something is being purposefully kept from us. But that's just my take on it.  --Psiphiorg 20:36, 13 November 2006 (UTC)


 * What Psiphiorg said. Primogen 20:40, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

'Major character as of the 11th episode'
This doesn't sound right, as Bennet has appeared in virtually every episode of the series to date and has had more screen time in some episodes than other "lead" characters. Saying he only becomes a major character in episode 11 is incorrect, don't you think? 23skidoo 15:39, 28 November 2006 (UTC)


 * I suppose it would be more accurate to say that Jack Coleman is being upgraded from "guest star" to "star" as of the 11th episode. The effect on the character he plays will not likely be significant.  --Psiphiorg 00:54, 29 November 2006 (UTC)


 * He has been in every episode and has been a driving factor in many of the plots. He has his own scenes, he has interacted with almost every other major character - so how is he only a "regular" as of the 11th episode? Was there some official designation? Did the credits list him as a guest star? - Kevingarcia 09:23, 5 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Yes, he was a guest star in the credits for the first ten episodes. In "Fallout", Jack Coleman was listed between Santiago Cabrera and Tawny Cypress.  I would guess that the producers did not initially plan for Mr. Bennet to be as important of a character as he turned out to be, so when they realized the character's potential, they approached Jack Coleman (or rather, his agent) and worked out a contract making him one of the co-stars of the series. --Psiphiorg 18:11, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

Power, or some kind of Tech?
Is Bennet's seeming immunity to Eden's mind control in "Six Months Ago" a power, or does he have access to some sort of technological protection from mutant abilities? Also, why isn't Eden mentioned as one of his associates, as is the Haitian? Applejuicefool 15:58, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

There is no evidence that Mr. Bennet has any power himself. The presumption is that the Haitian blocked Eden's power, since Mr. Bennet told Matt Parkman that the Haitian could block Matt's telepathy (although it was not successfully blocked). Primogen 18:54, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

Eden tried to alter Mr. Bennet's mind in "Fallout" and it was working, but then the Haitian appeared. Mr. Bennet simply said "we don't have time for this". He didn't seem annoyed, and it seemed like the Haitian guarded his mind. I wonder if the Haitian does that consciously. Kimera757 02:39, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

7 December 2006 - clues to support that Mr.Bennett has the power to block are as follows.

examples taken from various source's, that the Haitian is misdirection.
 * Mr.Bennett even says it himself in a way when he is talking to Sylar. He says, no one has more than one ability except for you. If the Haitain can alter people's minds and damp powers, that would count as two
 * Not any more than Hiro's time-stopping and teleportation count as two powers. Described that way, they sound like two different powers, but it's really both Hiro manipulating spacetime, just as damping someone's powers is really just altering their mind.  No one said you can't do two different things with the same power (witness Hiro).


 * When he instructed the Hatian to "clean people out" (Matt, the Quarterback) he always left the room before the Hatian did it.
 * This is in no way evidence for a power to block. If the implication was that he *needed* to leave the room for the power to work, we know that's not true because we see people use their powers right in front of him on occasion.  If the conclusion from that is that he can control his ability to block other people's power, then there's no reason to leave the room, beyond that he simply had better things to do than watch the Hatian work.  So, either way, the fact that he always left the room indicated nothing regarding the supposed blocking power.


 * When he instructed Eden to persuade Isaac, he was outside the room when she did it.
 * See above.


 * Six months ago, Claire's cut bled freely as HRG was there but was healed w/o a scar shortly after
 * Until six months ago, most of the characters either didn't have their power, didn't know they had it, or it was much weaker. Was HRG following all of them around 24/7?  :p


 * Matt's powers did not work in the interrogation room in the vicinity of HRG and Claire
 * Sylar's abilities didn't work when he was in the room and I guess while he wasn't there there was nothing for Sylar to throw around
 * Or, much more likely, not being an idiot, he always tries to arrange for whoever or whatever is capable of blocking powers to be around when he needs powers to be blocked.


 * Peter started coughing as soon as HRG came into the room as if the healing effect reversed itself. he was better after Claire asked for a moment with him.
 * Peter seems to often have imperfect control of the powers he borrows, but it works best when he's with the empowered individual without a lot of other distractions.


 * "Six Months Ago" ep, Mr Bennett tells Eden something to the effect that "Your powers won't work on me."
 * See above about not being an idiot.

signed git 7 December 2006
 * If Mr. Bennet can negate powers, then why was Nathan Petrelli able to fly away from him in Las Vegas? Hmmm? Anyone? Anyone? Bueller? The Haitian was there as well, if he can negate powers, why didn't he? I understand that there is a lot of evidence for this, just remember that at one time there was evidence of spontaneous generation. Rihk 04:05, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Actually, the evidence for spontaneous generation appears ironclad compared to the above speculation. Is there really any evidence at all for Mr. Bennet having any power?  We have speculation -- we have yet to see any actual evidence.

Wikipedians don't do research, including analysis of a published work (in this case, a TV show). We will say he has a power when we're told directly and unmistakeably that he has a power. Primogen 19:22, 7 December 2006 (UTC)


 * We do research, just not the original kind. Ace Class Shadow; My talk. 20:49, 7 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Whoops! Left out an important word in my post.  Thanks for the correction, Ace.  Primogen 21:03, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

I think the power nullification is some kind of technology, and not related to Mr. Bennet. If it was related to either Bennet or the Haitian, then they wouldn't dare leave Sylar alone, not with the power he has. Mr. Bennet will go to extremes to protect Claire, he wouldn't take a chance in leaving Sylar alone if he was the only one who could stop Sylar from using his power. --Stabbey 21:20, 7 December 2006 (UTC)


 * But Sylar did use it when they were gone. That's how he captured Eden. The only time he hasn't been able to use it is in the presence of Bennett/the Haitian. --Kmsiever 21:28, 7 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Eden went in for the express purpose of using her power to make Sylar kill himself. If the power inhibitor is a device, she'd have to turn it off to use her power. --Stabbey 00:08, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

Actually, after searching the net and reading other opinions, it could be that Mr. Bennet is simply immune to powers being used on him, and that he does not block powers, because if he could block powers, he would have blocked Nathen Petrelli from flying away, when Mr. Bennet and the Haitian tried to capture Nathen at the Casino i think in the episode "collision" --Git 15:43, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
 * But we know that's not true that powers can't be used on him -- Parkman does read his mind on several occasions.

The Haitian has the power block ability, or else Mr. Bennet would've stopped Sylar from escaping by stopping him. I'm sure that Bennet has no actual powers. Also I'm pretty sure the reason that Sylar was sick wasn't because of some tech but The Haitian using his powers. 161.184.44.153 04:20, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

Correcting number of apperances
Mr. Bennet appeared in all episodes so far, except for "Nothing to Hide." —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Renenarciso (talk • contribs).

teleportation
I added teleportation to the artilce but it was removed, so I thought I'd point you to the exact scene where he teleports. Its godsend, about 3:40 in, just after he finishes talking to clair he wipes his eyes, before he puts his glasses back on he's in sylar's cell. This was clearly one motion but he traveled quite a distance during it. Teleportation. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.149.248.164 (talk • contribs)


 * I'll double-check, but from what I remember that's not indicating a "power", it's just a nice bit of editing. --Ckatz chat spy  18:57, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

Character Inspiration
Being a huge comic book nerd, I noticed that Bennet bears a close resemblance to Henry Peter Gyrich from the Marvel Comics Universe, who also is occasionally depicted as wearing horn-rimmed glasses. Maybe the glasses are a nod to that character. I'm not sure where this fits in under the original research rule, though. 69.157.235.197 20:56, 6 February 2007 (UTC)


 * You would have to add a reliable source with this for it not to be original research. -- Will Mak  050389  21:51, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

For Company Man
I saw tonight's episode. For people who are going to watch it, there are some flashbacks back in the years for Mr. Bennet. So, make sure you put the info in the "Beginnings", put it before info from "Six Months Ago" Nocarsgo 03:18, 26 February 2007 (UTC)NocarsgoNocarsgo 03:18, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

Also I added information about his death. Why was it removed? Saran81kid91 03:44, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

Because he isnt dead -_-;

Abilities
Mr. Bennet does not have powers beyond the ordinary. But I think there's probably a place for listing his abilities in his character sketch. He speaks Japanese. He has worked with at least two different heroes and directed how they use their abilities. He probably knows their abilities at least as well as they know their own - but that shouldn't being in the section as it's definitely speculative.

How "deep" did the Haitian go?
So when he told the Haitian to wipe him, he said "Go deep. Take anything that will lead them to her," what was he referring to? The nature of the faked carjacking and the escape (which would go with the previous scene of Bennet setting up Thompson to blame the Haitian), or everything about Claire? I highly doubt the latter, but it's what some websites have been throwing around.


 * We don't know. To be honest, the second is more likely, but the show itself gave no indication yet. I'm sure it will be fairly obvious the next time we see Mr. Bennet, so we shouldn't add any information to the article until we have some hard facts. --dws90 03:04, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Wiping all about Claire would be unfeasible though. Unless he already had the house "cleaned" and everybody in the neighborhood wiped beforehand.--136.160.144.25 15:38, 1 March 2007 (UTC)


 * It's fairly obvious he didn't wipe out everything to do with Claire because Mr. Bennet is refering to her and talking about her as his daughter almost immediately. It's how he lands in the cell at the Company: by talking about Claire to Candice in disguise.  The Hatian took everything about turning Claire over: he took the fact that the Hatian has her that Mr. Bennet turned her over, everything.  The problem is, knowing how much he cared he knows he would hide Claire so taking that is worthless.  And since his memory is erased and we only know of one person that can do that it obvious who he turned her over to.  So what was the point of erasing things so easily reasoned out?  The writters are slipping.  Padillah 16:24, 4 May 2007 (UTC)

Bilingual
He may be more than fluent in Japaneses, because he can even think in Japaneses, which most people can't do unless they are bilingual, which means he was raised in japan, he has spent a lot of time in japan, or (the most unlikely in my view)he is Japaneses (maybe just half).


 * It may just be that he's studies for a long time, any presumption is speculative. My friend has never lived in france but can speak it fluently just because of lessons and a yearly visit. And She thinks in French whilst she's there and speaking in it, apparently it makes things easier. All I'm saying is, theres lots of reasons, any we give would be subjective and would breach WP:ATT. Jacobshaven3 17:26, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

Just because your fluent in a language doesn't mean you can think in it
 * True, if you are fluent in a language, you don't have to think in it, but you can make a conscious effort to think in another language. I normally think in English, but right now, I'm forcing myself to think in French.  Mr. Bennet wanted to distract Matt, so he thought in Japanese.   Arwen undomiel  19:58, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

You have to think of words before yo u say the, it a reaction that happens so fast it doesn;t seem like your thinking it and also he was thinking back to the day he meet claire and was talking to Hiro's father- redspiderman 3/13
 * All this is immaterial until there's a published source saying it, but ... a non-native speaker definitely can get to the point where at least some thoughts occur in the second language in and of themselves; when spending all my spare time with Spanish-speaking neighbors, I occasionally found myself thinking in the library, "?En dónde estará?" (Where can it be?) about a book I was looking for, because I'd heard my preschool neighbor say it so many times while reading Where's Waldo? Lawikitejana 22:59, 16 August 2007 (UTC)
 * For what it's worth my father was born in San Juan P.R. and raised until age 7 speaking Spanish. He learned English in school inN.Y.C. and then moved to Pontiac, MI where he spoke mostly English the rest of his life (though he did have a heavy involvment with the Latino community throughout his life).  Both he and several of his friends (all raised in P.R. and living in the U.S. for extended periods of time) have told me they dream in English and Spanish.  They don't consider one or the other a second language.  They simply speak both.  My kids are the same way, they don't bother to translate between Portuguese and English (sometimes from word to word which is confusing as heck) they simply speak whichever language they want to.  Depending on your immersion and desire to speak a given language you can think in whatever language you train yourself to think in.  Padillah 15:10, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

What we should be figuring out, is what he said...lol69.118.144.236 22:52, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

Superpowered People section.
Do we really need a section for super-powered people he's met? It's covered in the narrative and the list doesn't add any information or context, simply the fact that HRG has met these people. Big whoop. Padillah 16:31, 4 May 2007 (UTC)

Just "Noah Bennet"
There are no other Noah Bennets. I think this article should be named after just the character, no (Heroes) needed. Other things, George Costanza, for example, comes to mind. I believe it should be just Noah Bennet. Yelling Bird 02:01, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

edit: since writing this, i see that a link to the other Noah Bennett with 2 t's in the last name has been added. Hence, I suppose it should be either Noah Bennet (Heroes) or just Noah Bennet, with Noah Bennet/Bennett linking back to each other with a "For the (blank) character, see Noah Bennet/Noah Bennett. I mean, would the other one be changed to Noah Bennett (Passions)? If not, then I believe the parenthetical clarifier for the Heroes Bennet is unnecessary. Yelling Bird 02:07, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

edit again: Edit conflict made while I was writing the first edit. Yelling Bird 02:07, 22 May 2007 (UTC)


 * I have nominated Noah Bennet redirect page for speedy deletion so this article can be moved there. Kolindigo 02:02, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
 * I think the page should still be titled "Mr. Bennet (Heroes)" per Naming conventions (common names). Mr. Bennet was the name used for the first 21 episodes of the show.  Unless he is commonly addressed by his first name in future episodes or other mainstream media, the page should not be moved. --Madchester 02:23, 22 May 2007 (UTC)


 * I agree in principle, but, 1) "Mr." is not a name, it's a title, and 2) "Mr. Bennet" is included in "Noah Bennet", but not vice versa. Kolindigo 02:26, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
 * We will not know if it is a commonly used name until the fall. I'd hate to use Seinfeld again, but the page Jacopo Peterman uses a first and last name, but he is rarely (no times in my knowledge) called that, but simply referred to as "J. Peterman" or "Mr. Peterman". The name of the character still stands, and I believe it should just be "Noah Bennet". Yelling Bird 02:28, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
 * "Mr. Bennet" as a whole is the name of a fictional character. No different than referring to Chris Noth's character in Sex and the City as Mr. Big, despite the fact that his first name was revealed in one episode.
 * Simply restore the article at "Mr. Bennet", but use his full name in the introductory sentence. That's the case for most biographical articles. --Madchester 02:32, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
 * That's the problem, Mr. Bennet is a disambig page. Naming conventions state that, for articles which require a disambiguator, it is preferable to use an alternate name which does NOT require the disambiguator.   -- Chuq (talk) 12:21, 22 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Stepping in here, I should point out that I for one am satisfied that his first name is Noah, but I'm not so sure his last name is Bennet. He's never used both together and it's possible that Bennet is an alias.  Given that, I think "Mr. Bennet" is probably a better bet (if less reliable) since "Noah Something" isn't going to work. - Richfife 23:24, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Remember that everyone uses "Claude" to refer to the invisible man even though it's strongly implied that that's not his real name. - Richfife 23:35, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
 * I think that Clair's name has been listed as Clair Bennet makes it pretty strong that his last name is Bennet. –– Lid(Talk) 04:59, 23 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Still could be an alias. - Richfife 05:22, 23 May 2007 (UTC)
 * An alias listed as his name on his identification, his daughter, and his wife mentioning it to Sylar? Quite the alias. –– Lid(Talk) 05:26, 23 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Yes, quite the alias. But still an alias. - Richfife 15:04, 23 May 2007 (UTC)

Seeing as there is still doubt over the name of the article, I would suggest using a straw poll to gauge the actual consensus of moving the page to Noah Bennet. Otherwise, editors are unilaterally going against WP:COMMONNAME's guidelines. --Madchester 15:36, 23 May 2007 (UTC)


 * I request move protection, and as luck would have it, the wheel landed on "Noah Bennet" (which is not my preferred choice, but live by the sword, die by the sword). So, let's get this poll on the road:

Article Name Poll

 * Mr. Bennet I'm not convinced that "Bennet" is his real last name. Yes he has used it with his wife and family and his ID, but remember this is also the guy that almost melted his wife's brain in order to keep secrets.  At one point in the past, he met her and, thinking nothing of it, he said his name was "Bennet".  And that has continued to this day.  Also, his most common name to date is "Mr. Bennet".  It remains to be seen if "Noah Bennet" is going anywhere. - Richfife 19:19, 23 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Comment. For the past 8 months, the character has been called "Mr. Bennet" or other variations by the program, promotional material, and mainstream media. Unless he is commonly addressed as "Noah Bennet" in the future (and we can't speculate per WP:CRYSTAL) it's just premature for this page move.  Remember, WP:COMMONNAME states that pages should be listed under the most commonly searched or recognizable title.  For example, Miss Moneypenny not Jane Moneypenny, Homer Simpson not Homer Jay Simpson, Sylar not Gabriel Gray or Gabriel Sylar, and so forth. --Madchester 21:12, 23 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Comment To play devil's advocate here, the closest analog I could come up with was "The Bride" from Kill Bill. Her name was probably common knowledge to the various characters, but was not revealed to the audience until almost the end.  The precent goes the wrong way, though:  Beatrix Kiddo. - Richfife 01:39, 24 May 2007 (UTC)

*Mr. Bennett, He is only mentioned once as Noah, even if his real name is Noah Bennet, he is commonly known as Mr. Bennet, described by NBC as Mr. Bennet (or HRG) and is most commonly known as Mr. Bennet. Which percentage of Heroes fans are going to know who "Noah" is, f only called Noah. Very few. Unlike HRG or Mr. Bennet. Keep the original title and wait for future seasons before changing names. Jacobshaven3 14:52, 25 May 2007 (UTC)
 * But how many people, when they say "call me [blank]" use a name that isn't theirs? And maybe I'm missing stuff because I don't do anything but watch the episodes, where are you getting that he made up the name Bennet? Kolindigo 06:38, 24 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Reply I'm not saying it isn't his name, I'm just conjecturing that we don't know one way or another, so calling the article "Noah Bennet" represents a premature assumption. He just said "Call me Noah", right? - Richfife 06:57, 24 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Reply do you think, logically, he wouldn't said "call me Noah bennet" after being referred to as Mr Bennet? –– Lid(Talk) 15:27, 24 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Dunno But I don't think the article should be called "Noah Bennet" if those two words have nevered been uttered in that order by any characters on the show or (as far as I can tell) anyone associated with its production. - Richfife 15:07, 25 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep at Mr. Bennet for now, per WP:COMMONNAME - if in season 2 some people actually refer to him as Noah, then move the page. --Pentasyllabic 15:26, 24 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Maybe he just wanted to be called Noah by the man who saved his daughter's life? That would make sense why he didn't correct anyone else when they called him Mr. Bennet... - Azriim 18:49, 24 May 2007--dws90 16:59, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
 * The latest GN (#35) refers to him as Noah Bennet on the title page. Changing my opinion to Noah Bennet. --Pentasyllabic 16:44, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
 * People don't appear to be taking this into account - it isnt a choice between Mr. Bennet/Noah Bennet, it is between Mr. Bennet (Heroes)/Noah Bennet. The article Mr. Bennet is going to be a disambig in any case. -- Chuq (talk) 00:52, 25 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Noah Bennet. We should keep the redirect/disambiguation page entry (obviously), but "Noah Bennet" is considerably cleaner then Mr. Bennet (Heroes). I'm in favor of avoiding disambiguation whenever possible. And, it is his name. --dws90 23:16, 25 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Another argument for Noah Bennet - Hurley and Sawyer from Lost are referred to as Hurley or Sawyer 99% of the time, but their articles are at their full names - Hugo "Hurley" Reyes and James "Sawyer" Ford. -- Chuq (talk) 05:07, 26 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Mr. Bennet. The article should read "Noah Bennet (commonly referred to asMr. Bennet)". Per the whole Prudence/Prue Halliwell, James/Sawyer Ford argument. He IS Noah Bennet, but the Wikipedia article is about "Mr. Bennet". Extending on this, we use superhero codenames in place of alias names for a similar reason - notability, except in cases like the Runaways where the codenames are rarely used.~ZytheTalk to me! 13:59, 26 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Noah Bennett. Speaking of Lost, there is further precedent, since the article Henry Gale was immediately changed to Ben Linus after his real name was revealed in the season premiere. --T smitts 15:21, 26 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Comment about the superhero code name thing. He never used "Mr. Bennet" as a code name - his name has always been "Noah Bennet", but we the viewers never saw anyone call him that before the finale. Mr. Bennet is nothing more than a shorter form of his real name, not a superhero code. Therefore, it relates to the Lost argument, which would call for his full name being used. --dws90 17:43, 26 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Noah Bennet For all the reasons stated above. - JNighthawk 06:39, 28 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Noah Bennet As above —   «   h i p p i  i p p i   »   ' 13:28, 28 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Noah Bennet for all the many reasons stated above.  Arwen Undomiel  talk  18:12, 28 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Mr. Bennet (even if it does come with the disambiguation page). "Noah" has been mentioned once, but he is commonly known as "Mr. Bennet."  And the thing is, unlikely as it may seem, Bennet may be an alias.  His family alias may be Elijah Bennet, and his real name (or another alias for all we know) is Noah Jacobson.  Until we hear the name "Noah Bennet" said all at once like that, we can't assume anything.  Think back to Sylar in the Bennet kitchen.  His own wife was interrupted before saying his first name.  They've tried very hard to keep us from knowing Mr. Bennet's first name.  Let's not assume anything before we have all the facts. Diminutivething 20:31, 28 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Comment I assume the reason they worked hard not to let us know Bennet's name was so that it would be important and resonate when we did. It's like the Janitor in Scrubs. When you go so long without a bit of information, it makes that information, when revealed, that much more important. And when better to reveal that info than i   n the season finale? Kolindigo 20:36, 28 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Noah Bennet is a fictional character, all that is known about him are the things revealed through the story. Noah Bennet as far as is known is his name, if in the course the story that changes the article should be updated. Matthew 00:20, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Comment: He's referred to as "Noah Bennet" in the newest graphic novel. --dws90 16:59, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Noah Bennet, per the Lost argument.ShaleZero 20:26, 31 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Noah Bennet, like always. Now that it is brought to my attention that the graphic novel has confirmed his name, perhaps a citation should be added to the article concerning his name. Exactly how, I'm not sure. But the GN is official Heroes storyline as far as I know. Yelling Bird 00:23, 1 June 2007 (UTC)  (Forgot to add sig earlier)
 * Comment: Urm, isn't calling the article Noah Bennet quite a large spoiler for every single country that hasn't had the finale shown, and it's not like an ordinary page where a spoiler can be shown first. Type in Mr. Bennett expecting to find an article that could help find out the actors name, or maybe recap an episode someone's missed, and your instantly getting a spoiler that wouldn't be revealed until the final episode... Jacobshaven3 21:04, 31 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Comment: If you look up The Bride (Kill Bill) it redirects you to Beatrix Kiddo a spoiler to any one who has not seen Kill Bill Volume 2. Matthew 02:00, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Comment: How would it be less of a spoiler if the title read "Mr. Bennet" or "Horn-Rimmed Glasses" but the first line of the article called him "Noah Bennet," as it most certainly would? If you don't want to be spoiled for the show, you shouldn't be reading encyclopedia articles that provide comprehensive information on its plot and characters. ShaleZero 04:33, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

Speculations
I have revised the Cautionary Tales section of the bio, because it contained too much speculation. It's already been established that Adam's blood also has the ability to heal people, so until a future episode establishes the actual circumstances, we can't really speculate that it's the Company or Claire's blood that regenerates him. It could be Adam, or HRG might even have a superpower not previously seen. 23skidoo (talk) 13:56, 20 November 2007 (UTC)


 * I have added the fact that Noah was going to execute Bob, not just shoot him. Bob was incapacitated and Noah was going to shoot him with the aim of ending Bob's life.  That's significant.  Padillah (talk) 15:24, 20 November 2007 (UTC)
 * It is interesting, to say the least. I mean, if Bob was going to cap NB, why revive him, except maybe to compel Mohinder and Clair's assistance? As well, 30 years in stir is going to garner quite a bit of regenerative bloody supply at the Company's disposal... - Arcayne   (cast a spell)  16:49, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

Russian
Did he really speak Russian, or did he perhaps speak Ukrainian in the episode where he goes to Odessa? I can't really tell myself, but it didn't sound quite like the Russian I'm used to hearing. --GSchjetne (talk) 02:12, 16 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Just like most languages, different areas speak a language differently. Southern American English differs greatly from Australian English, due to slang and accent differences.  If anything, we could change it to that he was speaking an Eastern Slavic language. QuasiAbstract (talk) 02:10, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

Sneaked vs. snuck
Both words are valid. Since snuck was there first, we should continue to use that word per Manual of Style. - Josh (talk | contribs) 23:16, 6 January 2008 (UTC)


 * Why don't we go for something else, both neutral and incontenstible, such as 'crept'? asyndeton   talk  23:54, 6 January 2008 (UTC)