Talk:Noble (English coin)

diameter of english noble
I see it says ~7.8-9 grams; any idea what that would translate to insofar as approximate diameter? Hephaestos


 * Gosh - you've no idea how difficult it is to find a diameter for the coin... I've just spent nearly an hour and a half looking at websites and reading my coin catalogue and Glyn Jones' History of Money and absolutely everyone refers to the size of these coins by weight rather than by diameter! So, in answer to your question, "no, 'fraid not!". Arwel

the thing with diameters,which many people who are not used to medieval and ancient coinage are not aware of, is that these coins were produced by the hammering method, and therefore, although the weight was always uniform, the diameter depended on many hard to control factors, such as how strong the hammer was swung at the die, the annealing state of the blank, etc....Basically, diameters vary slightly, and therefore are not usually noted. Only much later (starting in the 1600's, but not popular until the mid 1700's) did mints employ collars, which held the blank around its rim as it was being srtuck, therefore maintaining constant diameter. This process is also known as milling.

Netherlands
The Dutch article mentions that the Noble has also been coined in the Dutch districts starting 1388 and has been in use up into the 17th century there. The value would have been 50 stuivers. However, this is not mentioned in the current English article. I find however the current article so much chaotic, that I don't dare to edit it, so if someone sees a line in it, please add it (assuming it is true, might have to be fact checked first) :) effeietsanders 10:42, 30 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Can this be verified? The article is about the English coin, after all, and the Coincraft catalogue doesn't mention this. I can't imagine why a coin would continue being minted abroad centuries after it went out of use in its original country (except the Maria Theresa Thaler, of course). -- Arwel Parry (talk) 11:32, 30 November 2008 (UTC)


 * I did not say it was minted centuries afterwards, sorry for being unclear, but that it was being used. I found at least this link: which mentions that it was minted in Zevenbergen, Gent or Namen. (note that the Dutch word for Noble is Nobel) The top coin should show a golden noble coined in Zevenbergen under the reign of Philipp the Good (reign 1419-1467).
 * mentions, last paragraph, that the Noble was a legal medium of exchange in at least the Dutch province of Zeeland.
 * , some personal website, so no great source, mentions the Nobel as well, and mentions that the Noble was imitated in the Netherlands. It also refers to terms as rozenobel and henricusnobel (rose noble and henry noble). Also it mentions that the noble was going around quite a lot in the United Provinces. Maybe that is of any help too? effeietsanders 12:42, 30 November 2008 (UTC)

Image:Utrecht noble 1580 631893.jpg is a dutch nobel struck 1580-1581 --Carlo Morino aka zi' Carlo 18:38, 2 December 2008 (UTC)

Raymondine
According to Eliphas Levi- Histoire de la magie, p. 336 some nobles for Edward was made by Ramon Llull from the gold produced alchemicaly and called raymondines. Does they exist so they could have been noticed here? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.196.28.168 (talk) 19:50, 8 January 2011 (UTC)


 * im gonna go with no, seeing as no gold has ever actually been produced alchemicaly.Tuseroni (talk) 03:46, 23 February 2013 (UTC)

Purity of gold
Were all issues of the Noble in 24 carat gold ? Rod57 (talk) 00:54, 6 March 2011 (UTC)

Last minting?
Do we know when the last nobles were minted? The article would seem to imply that after the introduction of the Angel in 1464, it fell out of use. However, the OED has many quotes after this date referring to the noble in contemporary usage up to the early 18th century. It may be of course, that it was used to refer to the traditional sum of 6s 8d, and actually paid using other coinage, or that old nobles continued in circulation for a long time.