Talk:Noel Lee (executive)/Archives/2015

Author's comment
Comment: I would like to submit this article for Wikipedia's consideration on Monster's behalf. I believe it is neutral, well-cited and an improvement to Wikipedia. I'm also hoping to get some images if I can secure email approvals for Creative Commons. CorporateM (Talk) 19:26, 5 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Done. --Anthonyhcole (talk · contribs · email) 12:49, 28 July 2013 (UTC)


 * Hey Anthony. Do you think we name it something like "Noel Lee (businessman)". Not sure manufacturer is quite right. CorporateM (Talk) 13:01, 28 July 2013 (UTC)


 * Done. --Anthonyhcole (talk · contribs · email) 14:00, 28 July 2013 (UTC)

Improvements
I am dropping questionable references like which don't appear to have a reputation for editorial quality. I'm also adding some sources and doing some copy editing. Regarding Lee's walking disorder, the prose read it as a factual statement, but credible source InsideBayArea reports it with doubt, so I summarize as presented in source. Cantaloupe2 (talk) 12:16, 29 August 2013 (UTC)

Request Edit
I have done some copyediting throughout the article and noticed that Lee's degenerative disorder caused by exposure to radiation at the Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory has been added redundantly in the Early life section:


 * 1) "There he was exposed to toxic doses of radiation, which caused a degenerative nerve disorder that prevents him from walking without a wheelchair or Segway.[1][4]"
 * 2) "Noel gets around on a Segway. InsideBayArea reports that Noel said work at Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory gave him nerve damage, where he was reportedly exposed to radiation.[10]"

In some cases I remove redundant information where I have a COI boldly, but in this case I want to avoid the appearance of removing this source inappropriately. The source is on a controversial subject and appears to skirt the line between belonging on the company page versus on Lee's page.

Pinging user:Anthonyhcole, who has collaborated on this page in the past. CorporateM (Talk) 13:34, 24 June 2014 (UTC)

Requested move 09 December 2014

 * The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section. 

The result of the move request was: Not moved. There is no consensus here that the cable guy is the primary topic for "Noel Lee". There does seem to be support for making Noel Lee into a disambiguation page rather than a redirect, though. ErikHaugen (talk &#124; contribs) 17:30, 19 December 2014 (UTC)

Noel Lee (executive) → Noel Lee – Noel Lee is currently a redirect to Noël Lee. There doesn't need to be a disambiguation as the two people go to unique pages, though there should be a hatnote on each pointing the reader to the other. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont)  19:02, 9 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Oppose Noël Lee the American classical pianist and composer is arguably the primary topic for both Noël Lee and Noel Lee, given that there are more books on pianists than on audio cables. Even if moved to Noël Lee (pianist), not sure removing (executive) from the audio cables manufacturer CEO is helpful. Probably a WP:TWODABS 50/50 situation. In ictu oculi (talk) 21:59, 9 December 2014 (UTC)
 * I'm wondering if Monster (company) should be moved to Monster Cable Products per WP:NATURAL, many readers would think of Monster.com. In ictu oculi (talk) 22:09, 9 December 2014 (UTC)
 * I am sympathetic to the possibility of confusion, but Monster Cable Products is not the company's name (they renamed to just Monster). Something like Monster (electronics company), might do the trick, even if a little awkwardly long. Disclosure: I have a COI with Monster/Lee. CorporateM (Talk) 22:24, 9 December 2014 (UTC)


 * Support. As if the number of books about someone determined primary topic, lol. This is fairly natural disambiguation and of course will be dealt with by respective hatnotes. Red Slash 00:02, 10 December 2014 (UTC)
 * User:Red Slash so you want to replace the pianist who gets 300 GBook hits with the cable CEO who gets 40. Why? Noel Lee (executive) is evidently not WP:PRIMARYTOPIC by long arm, so why are you proposing that he be made WP:PRIMARYTOPIC? In ictu oculi (talk) 00:41, 10 December 2014 (UTC)
 * I'm not asserting primary topic for the CEO (though I think it'd be a shoo-in based on general overall impact on the word.-- one piano player can't stand up to someone who revolutionized/pioneered an entire industry). I think this can work as WP:NATURAL disambiguation. Red Slash 03:27, 10 December 2014 (UTC)


 * Oppose the pianist is American, for which, Americans frequently drop accents, because Americans frequently drop accents on everything. -- 67.70.35.44 (talk) 04:47, 10 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Comment to help people determine the WP:PRIMARYTOPIC (if any), the viewing figures for Monster's Noel Lee in October 2014 were 1794. For the pianist Noël Lee they were 286. Readers were six times more likely to want the executive than the pianist. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont)  09:54, 10 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Oppose – Instead, make Noel Lee, which has no significant incoming links, a disambiguation page place hatnotes on both persons' articles. -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 11:52, 10 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Oppose. Most English-speakers are not necessarily going to type the diacritic, and it's not an adequate disambiguator. Zarcadia (talk) 22:17, 16 December 2014 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page or in a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

More comprehensive
@User:Ritchie333 How's this for a more comprehensive page? I culled through all twelve sources for additional content and did a quick Google News search to see that the acquisition of Beats Electronics by Apple led to some new sources since Beats got its start with Monster. I wasn't sure originally, but I think there is plenty of source material available to reach the GA-level of comprehensiveness. CorporateM (Talk) 02:40, 10 December 2014 (UTC)
 * That's looking better. I think when we're finally done we should have a few extra hundred words on the article, having mined all the sources. I find it's always better to add whatever you can from sources, because if in a GA review, somebody says "that's not focused", it's easy to trim or copyedit it, whereas to add additional content from sources is always harder. It's for this reason that I haven't nominated Barmouth Bridge for a GA review as there are gaps in the history that I think ought to be filled from sources somewhere.


 * Anyway, I have no COI on this article at all so I'm happy to add from the sandbox whatever I think is appropriate. Ritchie333 (talk) <sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)  09:49, 10 December 2014 (UTC)


 * @User:Ritchie333 I've cleaned up the annotations to make it copy/pasteable. That'll bring it from 1,000 words (not including references) to 1,500. To be honest about the "when we're done" comment, I don't think there is anything else to add (it's possible you'll prove me wrong, as I am on the deletionist side of things, but I always expected it to be a fairly small article). The revised draft should also address some of the sourcing issues brought up during the review, where the wrong citation was used to support a specific item (I took out the married at 18, because I couldn't find a source for that one). Please feel free to merge the expanded draft into article-space. I'll wait a bit before re-nominating to see if you have any additional input/edits and the article appears at least somewhat stable. CorporateM (Talk) 16:53, 10 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Okay, I've merged what I think needs merging and we now stand at 1,350 characters. Exactly what I was hoping for. Let's wait for the RM to finish, see if there's anything else to add, copy edit everything, have a look for any relevant images, fix the lone tag, then we'll be good for GA2. <b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b> <sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk)  <sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)  17:20, 10 December 2014 (UTC)

Sunworks
Noel, are you the Noel Lee that I knew at Sunworks Solar? This is Rick. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.184.175.254 (talk) 02:03, 9 January 2015 (UTC)