Talk:Noelia

Recent edits
Judgeking:

You need to read facts and real research before you keep reverting versions of Noelia's article, is very obvius that you don know the Artist, you dont know the facts, it seem to be that is hate motivated. Am inviting you to do real reserach about facts, instead of choosing doing the worst desitions for the Article. Am inviting you to do real research on Noelia, you just keep reverting SOLID and valuable information. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Latinmusicguru (talk • contribs) 03:12, 27 March 2012 (UTC)

I have again added information on the ongoing sex tape scandal. It seems people related to Noelia keep deleting these references to this scandal. The section is well documented with links which are just as are easily accessible by doing a Google search on Noelia. All subsequent deletion of this scandal's references will be reinstated. 70.45.6.173 17:35, 28 October 2007 (UTC) La Verdad

I again for the umpteenth time, reverted to a previous edit of mine for several reasons.
 * The previous article read too much like a promotional article clearly taken from a fansite or something along that line. That edit didn't comply with Wikipedia standards.
 * The previous article lacked any citations or references about what it stated. I added a citation about some of the things that I added, and plan to add more with time.
 * The previous article solely focused on recent events and achievements without mentioning the start in her career.

Thanks. Thief12 14:48, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

This is what the other editor posted while deleting my comment here.


 * Again, some one with no other business but HATE, keeps editing this Infromation with TOTAL lack of REAL FACTS and information about Noelia, some lunatic, sour ex employee or memeber of the evil family of Noelia'a mother keeps doing this.

Why is JUDGEKING reverting REAL information and vandalizing the page, noelia was Born in 1979. why is this person so abusive with this page?? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Latinmusicguru (talk • contribs) 20:55, 26 March 2012 (UTC)


 * OK. This Freak Thief12 = Ladron 12 keep editing the profile of Noelia, a guy with a remarkable negative obssesion with Noelia.

By the way ..this Thief12, is no other than one of Noelia's ex boyfriend. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.80.100.5 (talk) 01:12, 4 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Address the reasons I posted above and abstain from derogatory comments. Your edits clearly don't comply with Wikipedia standards. Thief12 01:51, 4 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Ok Thief, we all understand that you are and obsess looser, or former dump ex boyfriend of Noelia, tell me the relevance of puting names like: Grullon, Reynoso, or Yamil on her file, ? The answer is you are a sick homo, who hates Noelia. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.80.100.5 (talk) 07:44, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

Just to clarify that this "troll" just deletes my comments on the talk page, posts his rambling insults and doesn't address the issues raised by me. Thief12 15:58, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

very important not to use any reference regarding the Age of Noelia if does references are coming from her Mother. as the whole Latin World knows, they have a long nasty feud among Noelia and her Mother, and any declaration or statement is more likely to be a declaration with malice or sabotaging statements Musicianshistorianharvard (talk) 13:58, 27 May 2019 (UTC)

Another Petition
Stop reverting to previous unsourced edits of the article. You've been warned several times about doing so with no reason and you've replied only with insults and nonsensical accusations. Next time, you'll be reported to an admin and your IP will be blocked. Thief12 14:15, 10 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Ok. Physco, I work for the Label EMI TELEVISA, Noelia is our Artist and you keep, changing REAL FACTS. Deja de molestar la Biografia de Noelia, CUAL ES TU ENFERMEDAD, nosotros sabemos mas que tu, solo eres un MAL INTENCIONADO, que seguramente ODIA A NOELIA. Si vas a hacer algo investiga, y a quien le importa con quien esta relacionada sentimentalmente, la mente de Islita que solo les importanlos chismes baratos. Deja a Noelia en Paz.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.80.100.5 (talk) 04:57, 27 September 2007 (UTC)
 * It is common in the articles of artists to mention the relations the artist has had in the past. There is nothing false stated in the article. All of the relationships listed were made public. You, on the other hand, delete valuable information about Noelia's beginning in the music career for the sake of just mentioning and blatantly promoting his latest endeavors. Wikipedia is not a promotional site. Thief12 22:47, 12 October 2007 (UTC)


 * BTW, if you indeed work for EMI Televisa, which I seriously doubt, you should consider doing things in a more professional way instead of jumping to calling names and behaving like a berated little child. Thief12 22:50, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

very important not to use any reference regarding the Age of Noelia if does references are coming from her Mother. as the whole Latin World knows, they have a long nasty feud among Noelia and her Mother, and any declaration or statement is more likely to be a declaration with malice or sabotaging statements Musicianshistorianharvard (talk) 13:59, 27 May 2019 (UTC)

Sex tape
It might be good if a mod gets involved here. You two are just weird. And why'd you delete the sex tape comment? 98.195.179.37 04:18, 13 October 2007 (UTC)


 * And another thing: STOP deleting the comments on the talk page. 98.195.179.37 04:20, 13 October 2007 (UTC)
 * You've added verifiable references related to the subject, like I requested originally. For biographies you must back up what you say, which you finally did. I have no problem with the content as long as it is solidly referenced. It is just rumor mongering if you just assert stuff. And I did check with an admin - as long as you back it up, it is fine to be in the article. --NrDg 18:01, 28 October 2007 (UTC)

I haven't added anything (pleased don't confuse me with those two numbskulls). As for the sex tape--I guess you don't get on the internet much, do you? (Joking. "This wikipedia: it's serious business.) Seriously, though, what is considered a serious reference? A link to the site that hosts the video--or do I have to track down a Fox News article? 98.195.179.37 (talk) 13:39, 10 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Need a reference from a reliable source that shows this is notable. A link to the tape would be a copyright violation unless it could be proven that the photographer released it under a valid unrestricted license - not likely. You need to show that this event matters, not whether or not it happened. --NrDg 22:24, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

The sex tape is the most notable thing in Noelia's career. Is what make her famous. Her husband and manager, Jorge Reynoso, released the tape to revive Noelia's downhill career. The only reason Noelia has a page here is because of the sex tape. You can check, before Noelia released the sex tape she didn't even had a page here. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Laverdadinfo (talk • contribs) 17:17, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
 * You assert that fact. As an unbacked up assertion it will be removed from the article due to WP:BLP policy on derogatory bio information. Back it up with a WP:RS reliable sourced reference that shows importance. --NrDg 19:25, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

I know. That's why I never posted that or anything about the sex tape in the main page. I was just trying to explain it here, in the discussion page, that the sex tape is very relevant in her career just as Paris Hilton or Kim Kardashian's sex tapes.

Birthdate
I changed the birth date to match the information given in the Music Myspace biography http://www.myspace.com/noeliamusic. Music Myspace is an official site run by the artist's representatives and is a reliable source. Of course reliable sources can conflict and could be wrong but this is the best that I can find and verify. If the birth date is changed, please explain why and give a better source that I can verify to back it up. An assertion that you have personal knowledge is not enough. --NrDg 17:04, 13 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Noelia is 30 years old. The my space page age is a lie. It is well documented she is 30. Here are some links.


 * News Magazine of Mexico where they even have a picture of her celebrating her 30 years old birthday.
 * http://www.tvyespectaculos.com/2007/09/06/noelia-festejo-sus-30-anos-en-los-angeles/


 * Newspaper of Puerto Rico
 * http://www.primerahora.com/noticia/farandula/espectaculos_asi/noelia_casi__desnuda_en_famosa_revista__masculina/79957 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Laverdadinfo (talk • contribs) 23:40, 19 November 2007 (UTC)


 * That is what I was looking for. However the assertion that her myspace page is a lie does create a problem. We can't make conclusions on Wikipedia. An official site is given a lot of weight as to being reliable. What we are supposed to do is say the references conflict and give both. I need to think about how to do this properly and will probably make the change and note the conflict. If you make the change be sure to replace the existing reference with at least one of the references you listed above. Don't just change the data. --NrDg 23:59, 19 November 2007 (UTC)


 * Thank you for answering me. I am 100% sure she is 30 years old because she is the daughter of a famous puertorican singer and it is documented the year she gave birth. On a myspace page everyone can put the age they want. But a respetable newspaper is not going to lie about the age specially in Puerto Rico where everyone knows when her mother, one of the most famous singers of Puerto Rico, gave birth to her first daughter. I have more links that proof she is 30 years old. Do you want me to put those here too?
 * I dont know how to add links when I change something. But one of the links (newspaper of Puerto Rico) I told you that shows her real age 30 is already on the references of the page. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Laverdadinfo (talk • contribs) 00:35, 20 November 2007 (UTC)


 * Got it! I found links where Noelia's mother says the age of Noelia which is 30. Who more than her own mother to know when she gave birth to her own daughter. This will settle the age discussion. Do you want me to give you the link? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Laverdadinfo (talk • contribs) 00:44, 20 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Please put the link here if you don't know how to add references to the main article, I'll change the reference. I'll probably add them all as references to counter the myspace one. Thanks for checking into this and doing the research. --NrDg 02:53, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

How do I add references? Here is the link were the age topic is settle. She is 30 years old. Here is the link were her mother says she is 30. http://www.univision.com/content/content.jhtml?chid=6&schid=1363&secid=1408&cid=1262181&pagenum=2 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Laverdadinfo (talk • contribs) 06:57, 20 November 2007 (UTC)
 * I added the reference. Please check out what I added for correctness as I don't speak Spanish and am depending on Google for translations. Make sure the quote I extracted from the article is appropriate and the titles correct. --NrDg 23:43, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

Yes its perfect...thats the part...seems the google's translations are working :-) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Laverdadinfo (talk • contribs) 09:17, 23 November 2007 (UTC)

very important not to use any reference regarding the Age of Noelia if does references are coming from her Mothe. as the whole Latin World knows, they have a long nasty feud among Noelia and her Mother, and any declaration or statement is more likely to be a declaration with malice or sabotaging statements. Musicianshistorianharvard (talk) 13:50, 27 May 2019 (UTC)

INDIRECT FALSE ADVERTISING
After carefully analyzing the progression and development of this page, I have concluded NOELIA's PAGE has been a flagrant project to undermine the exploitation of a scandal to vindicate and exonerate a senseless issue regarding poor copywriting. (Clandestino77 14:23, 13 November 2007 (UTC))
 * If you wish to restore the version of the article that had well referenced information about the scandal, then do so. I don't care as long as the references back up the facts. See http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Noelia&oldid=169729843 from 00:25, 7 November 2007 (UTC). Understand that this will probably start an edit war with User talk:Curve curve and others who don't want that information in the article. I was reverting back to that version for a while but too many editors didn't like it and the current version is accurate in what it does say (except for people changing her birth year to conflict with the cite). --NrDg 14:48, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Who Am I talking to here? Seems to me NrDg is Noelia (Clandestino77 15:24, 13 November 2007 (UTC))
 * I am having a hard time reconciling your comment with what I said. --NrDg 15:42, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Unless there is something more substantial, like multiple articles written by reliable sources about this artist, then I will be nominating this for deletion. (Clandestino77 20:17, 13 November 2007 (UTC))
 * Do what you wish. I think this article meets the wikipedia notability requirements though, see WP:N, which is sufficient to keep it. If you are not familiar with the process, see WP:AFD for details on how to start an article for deletion discussion. I noticed that your request for a speedy delete was declined. --NrDg 20:33, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

Dance Pop Artist from Latin America?
I am trying to expand articles from Latin America in regards to Electronic and Dance Music. This is one of the few artists I found. Does she have Remixes from well-known established producers not from Latin America? English? England? (Media Cop 18:56, 13 November 2007 (UTC))

Notability guidelines do not directly limit article content
Notability guidelines give guidance on whether a topic is notable enough to be included in Wikipedia as a separate article, but do not specifically regulate the content of articles, which is governed by other guidelines such as those on using reliable sources and on handling trivia. The particular topics and facts within an article are not each required to meet the standards of the notability guidelines. (Clandestino77 20:45, 13 November 2007 (UTC))
 * Unless there is something more substantial, like multiple articles written by reliable sources about this artist, then I will be nominating this for deletion. (Clandestino77 20:51, 13 November 2007 (UTC))
 * Don't argue it here, I don't particularly care one way or the other. Start an AFD discussion and argue your points there. I'm just saying I think the chances for deletion are dubious.--NrDg 21:10, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

Personal Life
Personal Life/Noelia has been romatically involved to show-biz personalities throughout her career. She had a four-year relationship with former MDO member, who's presently working as the road manager of her mother. In 2004, she also had a brief relationship with rapper Yamil, with whom he worked on the album Melao. Presently, 2007, she's engaged to the well-known mexican producer & personality, Jorge Reynoso, who is also managing her international career. .... Glaring unconcealed section; blatant in regards to a false scandal. Should be deleted. (Jessica Platt 21:00, 13 November 2007 (UTC))
 * Then delete it if it is not backed up with a reference. Just make sure you specify in the edit summary why you deleted it or you might get reverted. Or better just tag with and give people a chance to find a reference.--NrDg 21:10, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
 * tagging - - > ATTRIBUTIONS NEEDED < - - - (Jessica Platt 21:43, 13 November 2007 (UTC))

Noelia Married?
Noelia is married to Jorge Reynoso. Here is the link. http://www.laprensahn.com/ediciones/2007/06/29/jorge_reynoso_difundio_el_video_de_noelia —Preceding unsigned comment added by Laverdadinfo (talk • contribs) 10:32, 15 February 2008 (UTC)
 * That link doesn't prove Noelia is married. Thief12 (talk) 03:40, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

Noelia is married to Jorge Reynoso and here is the link. Also in the lawsuit filed against Noelia y Jorge Reynoso it also says they are married.

http://www.eluniversal.com.mx/notas/415510.html —Preceding unsigned comment added by Laverdadinfo (talk • contribs) 22:12, 23 February 2008 (UTC)
 * They've both denied it afterwards, saying that they planned it but didn't go through with it. There needs to be reliable sources stating that they were, in fact, married and that they accept it. Here's a link where they deny it. Also, feel free to post a copy or transcript of the lawsuit, which is a more valid source than a gossip magazine. Thief12 (talk) 18:12, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

User Talk Under Suspicion
I am concerned about who is writing this article, seems to me, almost everybody in this Article Discussion or User Talk, is the same person: Character misinterpretation and distorted indentities. (Clandestino77 21:54, 13 November 2007 (UTC))
 * Thief12
 * NrDg
 * Mediacop
 * Jessica Platt
 * Vincent Gallop
 * If you strongly believe that, you can request an adminstrator with check user privs to confirm it, see WP:Requests for checkuser for info on how to do that. Then we can all be blocked for sock puppetry. --NrDg 22:31, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

Vandalism
I hadn't checked this article in awhile, but it's hilarious to see some "troll" editing out random information - sourced information - from the article just for the sake of it. Thief12 (talk) 00:30, 2 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Static IP blocked for a month. Will likely resume on the 10th of Feb when the block expires. Seems to be pushing a POV and is removing the cite that conflicts with it. --NrDg 00:51, 2 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Is there a problem if some of the sourced information he deleted is reinstated in the article? I mean, he's deleting even basic information such as Noelia's father's name, and such. Thief12 (talk) 16:47, 3 February 2008 (UTC)
 * I thought I got most of it. If the references are good, put the info back. Make sure the info was not removed because the references did not meet the WP:V and WP:RS standards for inclusion. Bio references, particularly about family should also meet WP:BLP standards which are a bit higher. --NrDg 17:14, 3 February 2008 (UTC)

Birth date
Can anyone provide another reliable source to her true birth date? The article says it's August 1977, but the source doesn't say anything about that date. This biography page, however, says she was born in February 16, 1979. Thief12 (talk) 00:54, 21 February 2008 (UTC)
 * "Don Francisco: Ella dice que usted la rechazaba.
 * Yolandita: Por eso el dolor mío es tan grande Don Francisco. Me veo maniatada, no tengo forma de ayudar a una persona que no quiere ayudarse e insiste en una situación de mentiras, una mentira tras otra. Y lo peligroso de todo esto es que Noelia tiene 30 años."


 * Establishes age at time of interview. This was a conflict - see above discussions and was taken as the most authoritative source. --NrDg 01:19, 21 February 2008 (UTC)


 * Yes, I saw that. But why the differences in month and day as well? Besides, it seems to me that what her mother said in the interview was more of a passing comment like "Noelia's in her 30s" rather than saying she's exactly 30 years old. At least that's what I got from it. Still will keep looking for any other source. Thanks. Thief12 (talk) 03:45, 21 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Please work with on this if you could. Seems to be the one convinced she is 30 and did most of the literature research that lead to the mom quote. If we have two reliable sources we usually list both and let the reader decide as our choosing is original research WP:OR. I thought the mom quote trumped the other sources in this case. Don't speak Spanish so nuances of colloquial Spanish speech are beyond me. --NrDg 04:27, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

Birthdate to be edited
Noelia's official page says that she was born August 31, 1979, so I guess that should be the most reliable source for that kind of information, right? Thief12 (talk) 00:28, 22 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Not necessarily. Performers have been known to fudge their age when it is to their advantage. That is the birthdate for the age she wants people to THINK she is. If her mother contradicts her who do you believe? There were other sources as well that backed her mother's statement but they are Spanish language sources so hard to verify for me. For a chuckle check Jason Earles article and discussion page as an example of fuzzy birthdays. Anyway we've been through this before using the same reference you are finding. Check the edit history of the article. If you add the new reference I suggest you add it but don't replace the existing one. Let the reader make the decision of what is the most likely to be more accurate - her mom or a possibly self-serving bio. --NrDg 00:37, 22 February 2008 (UTC)
 * It's ok. I just got back from work and saw your message. I undid my last revision and left it as it was. The references that had been given before are pretty solid. Thanks for the help. Thief12 (talk) 02:59, 22 February 2008 (UTC)


 * Here is the real story about Noelia DOB, her Florida Driver License says: 08-31-1979, Her driver license number is L652-620-79-811-0.
 * More solid Evidence, we all now har mother statement are not reliable, they hate each other and the mother will do anything to hurt Noelia —Preceding unsigned comment added by Reginaaguirre (talk • contribs) 06:12, 3 March 2008 (UTC)


 * And how do we know that's true? Thief12 (talk) 13:31, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

Recent edits to Noelia article
This comment is a direct reply to 's recent edits to Noelia's article.


 * 1) First, you deleted the label information alleging she has been released from EMI Televisa. Yet, you don't provide a reliable source for this. However, even if it was true, articles are known for listing all the labels for which the artist has worked, so the label information can stay.
 * 2) You changed the amount of albums she has sold of her first albums from 500,000 to 50,000 for an unknown reason. She won a gold album for that, and gold albums = 500,000 albums sold.
 * 3) You changed "eponymous debut album" again, for no reason to "first (1999) album" which is practically the same. Look up what eponymous means, in case you don't know.
 * 4) You change "toured" to "promotional tour" for no reason. In terms of Wikipedia, it's the same thing. It's a tour nonetheless.
 * 5) You took "internationl" out of international career, but Reynoso is indeed managing her international career. She has been performing constantly in Italy and US, and I guess that makes her career international.
 * 6) You again bring the issue about them getting married in Las Vegas and you provide yet another article where they, like the article said, denied it. There is an act, but not a marriage act. And, again, they've denied it.

Again, refrain from unnecessary and unreliable edits. Thief12 (talk) 15:14, 22 March 2008 (UTC)

http://www.primerahora.com/noticia/farandula/espectaculos_asi/renuncia__abogado/158113
 * 1) Emi Televisa is no longer Noelia's record label. Emi Televisa gave Noelia a release because of poor record sales of her two last albums. You can check in billboard.
 * 2) To get a A gold album certification in the LATIN market (top latin albums) in the U.S. is not the same as a gold album in the general english (hot 100 albums). Here is the link of billboard = http://www.billboard.com/bbcom/charts/chart_display.jsp?g=Albums&f=Top+Latin+Albums You can see that Vicente Fernandez sold 200,000 cds and is granted a highest certification, Platino because for a Gold album in the LATIN market you need to sell less, 50,000. That’s why I changed the information because it was wrong.
 * 3) Epynomous is the same as first album which in fact was in 1999. As you said it is the same. So, why not put it more clearly? But if you prefer it that way is ok. I have no problem.
 * 4) Promotional tour is when an artist goes to different cities to promote his or her album by appearing in tv shows, radios events and shows etc. This is what Noelia has done. I corrected the information because it was deceiving.
 * 5) Saying that Noelia has been performing constantly in Italy is not true. She (along with more than eleven latin artist) did one radio event. But if you prefer to leave it that way is ok. I have no problem.
 * 6) Yes, I bring the issue of her getting married because I know she is married. She denied being married but she has also denied other things which have been later revealed to be true. I saw the tv show it was a certification that she was married. She nervously denied it but the tv show stand by the story and showed the certification that indeed she wed. Recently (after much denying) she admitted she indeed married Jorge Reynoso. I saw it. As you can see in the following link a newspaper of her native country, Puerto Rico, refer to Jorge Reynoso as her husband.

I don't believe that my edits are unnecessary and unreliable. In the contrary, if I edit something is because I know this to be the truth. I respect you putting time and effort in improving Wikipedia. I ask you to please respect mine. Thank you. Laverdadinfo (talk) 10:54, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

Very Important to bring the atention of administrator due to the fact that a Persona caleed : Judgeking is Vandalizing the page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.119.172.35 (talk) 06:09, 26 March 2012 (UTC)
 * As I said in my change and your talk page, your edits contain broken tags and broken HTML. Learn how to edit (and spell) and try again. Judgeking (talk) 18:27, 26 March 2012 (UTC)

Again

 * About the label Like I said before, the fact that she was released from her label is irrelevant. Wikipedia articles are known to list the labels for which the artist has worked through their history. Besides, you're not providing any valid source of her release from the label.
 * About the certification We have to check where she was certified with a gold album, because the amount of units sold varies from country to country. I left the reference to the gold album, but left out the amount of units sold until further investigation.
 * About the tours We don't have any source that tells us whether the tours were official tours or just promotional. When we have that information, it might be possible to distinguish one from the other. Either way, I don't see the point in specifying such a simple point.
 * About her alleged marriage The fact that a newspaper mentions Reynoso as her "husband" isn't enough. Newspapers can make mistakes, and moreover when there is such a rumored situation like these where there have been dissenting allegations from both sides. If you can find a valid source where Noelia or Reynoso admits it, we'll change it. As for now, it hasn't been proven.

All in all, it's not enough with you "knowing" it to be truth. You must provide valid sources and references for your edits. Thanks again. Thief12 (talk) 20:03, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

Warnig, some people are vanadalizind the page, modifind even her DOB to 1976, when is 1979, this malicius behavior it has to be stoped. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.119.172.35 (talk) 03:50, 25 March 2012 (UTC)

Lawsuit
The fact that this person filed a lawsuit, that in itself is not worthy of inclusion. ≈ jossi ≈ (talk) 00:49, 19 April 2008 (UTC)
 * The fact that the lawsuit was filed against his stepfather, in the midst of the hoopla started after her pornographic video was released, might be. It is all referenced with a valid and reliable source. Thief12 (talk) 17:28, 20 April 2008 (UTC)

The ONLY person that filed a lawsuit was the stepfather for defamation against Noelia y Reynoso after evidence that the person that released the sex tape was Noelia's husband and manager, Jorge Reynoso. After the stepfather sued them. Then, Reynoso claimed he was going to sue him in mexico but today is the day that no one has seen the lawsuit. The lawsuit against Noelia y Reynoso is all over the internet but there is no evidence of the other lawsuit. If you find a copy of the other supposedly lawsuit then it can be accepted to post it here but until you don't then is not right.


 * You clearly don't seem to understand that there are various reference that mention the lawsuit. I'll contact an administrator to settle this dispute. Thanks for your contributions anyway. Thief12 (talk) 00:36, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
 * For the record, here's another article that mentions Noelia's lawsuit against Mamery

In that article you just posted you can find below sources that contradicts Reynoso's claims that the lawsuit exists. Reynoso said that Ricardo Montaner was called to testify in the lawsuit. Ricardo Montaner contradicts this. Montaner said he has never been called for any lawsuit which contradicts Reynoso claims. You can find the sources below.

There is no lawsuit on file in Mexico, that is just something Reynoso said (after he was sued in Puerto Rico). Months have gone by and Topy or/and his lawyers haven't received any lawsuit. There is no proof of any lawsuit anywhere. You can't find the lawsuit online. A tv show in mexico called Ventaneando went to the authorities to investigate and were told that no lawsuit was ever filed. Reynoso said that Montaner was going to testify. Montaner dismiss that, contradicting Reynoso. Montaner told the media that he was never giving anything about being a witness in any lawsuit and that he supports Topy because he knows Topy is telling the truth. Ricardo Montaner also said he has had problems with Noelia in the past because she falsely accussed someone in his family of a wrong doing too. Noelia a few years ago accussed Ricardo Montaner's oldest son, Alejandro Montaner, of rape. There are rumors Montaner was referring to that. Along with accusing Alejandro Montaner of rape, Noelia has also acussed Guillermo Santiso, president of her ex record label) of rape. That should be mention on the article. The souces are below.

You can find online the actual lawsuit against Noelia and Reynoso for difamation why is that not mention in the article? Also, recently there has been another really big scandal with Noelia and Reynoso when his lawyer quit the case pending against them. You can find online (and above) the petion from the lawyer to withdraw from the case and Noelia's and Reynoso's reaction to it. This has been all over the media and should be mention. The sources are below.

Sources:

http://www.peopleenespanol.com/pespanol/articles/0,22490,1670744,00.html

http://www.peopleenespanol.com/pespanol/articles/0,22490,1675318,00.html

http://www.vocero.com/noticias.asp?s=Escenario&n=104805

http://www.vocero.com/noticias.asp?s=Escenario&n=104891

http://www.vocero.com/noticias.asp?s=Escenario&n=104933

http://www.vocero.com/noticias.asp?s=Locales&n=105554

http://buscador.elnuevodia.com/resultados.aspx

http://www.vocero.com/noticias.asp?s=Escenario&n=101490

http://www.vocero.com/noticias.asp?s=Locales&n=108662

http://www.primerahora.com/XStatic/primerahora/docs/espanol/demandatopy.pdf

http://youtube.com/watch?v=D83LhjPZRE4

http://youtube.com/watch?v=TyYmJ4KqVyM&feature=related

http://youtube.com/watch?v=2YQT9l5F5x8

http://youtube.com/watch?v=aCU0uVQKi38&feature=related

http://www.bollywoodsargam.com/video_todayfeaturedvideo.php?blockbustermovieclip=D83LhjPZRE4---latest-Noelia_La_Reina_featured_hollywood_blockbuster_video.html

http://www.webdelatele.com/noticias/noelia-y-jorge-reynoso-sin-abogado.html

http://www.primerahora.com/XStatic/primerahora/docs/espanol/copy_of_renuncia-abogadonoelia.pdf

Note I was the mediator of a mediation cabal case about this dispute; the involved parties were able to reach an agreement. JeremyMcCracken (talk) (contribs) 00:06, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

Gold Album
We had discussed previously the amount of units for which Noelia received her gold album because they vary from country to country. However, the RIAA website says that her gold album is a standard one, which means it was for 500,000 units sold. Also, in her MySpace page, it says that her gold album was granted in the US for half a million units sold. Thief12 (talk) 23:37, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

As you just said, we have already discussed this. A gold album in the Top Latin Album chart is 50,000. To get a gold album certification in the LATIN market (Top Latin Albums) in the U.S. is not the same as a gold album in the general english (Billboard Top 200). Noelia's cd have not reach even the 200 spot.. That’s why I changed the information because it was wrong. Obviously Noelia my space page in not reliable at all. She can put there whatever she wants and just reading it, I could detect more than three obvious lies. And if you are basing it in what "reginaaguirre" or "maria" (I get confuse he/she seems to change his/her or her name and profession frequently) says it is not true. That person seems to change fact for example Pilar Montanegro's age to make her seem like she is older.

Here is a source were it states that Thalia's cd was granted platinum for 100,000 cds sold. Gold is the lowest certification and platinum is higher so if she was granted platinum for 100,000 means you are granted a gold album for selling less cds than 100,000. http://www.answers.com/topic/el-sexto-sentido Laverdadinfo (talk) 21:45, 9 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm not basing my edit on Noelia's page or on what any other user here tells me. I'm basing it on the RIAA page where it distinguishes gold album certifications as Standard, Latin, and others, where Standard = 500,000 units sold. If you search the database for Noelia, you'll see that her album was awarded a Standard Gold Album. Now, if you search Thalia, you'll see her gold albums are classified as Latin, like you say. Look it up. Thief12 (talk) 01:41, 10 May 2008 (UTC)

A standard Gold Album in the Top Latin Albums is 50,000. As you see in this link Noelia;s first cd the one that got a gold album the peak position was 7 in the Latin Top Album were a stadard gold album is 50,000. There are two different charts; the "Latin Top Albums: and the "Billboard 200". Noelia failed to chart in the Billboard 200 were the standard gold cetification is 500,000. Her album only rearch the 7 position in the Top Latin Albums which a gold album is 50,000. Laverdadinfo (talk) 03:34, 10 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Winning a gold album has nothing to do with what chart you peak on. It has to do with album sales in specific regions. If you want to compare, check out Maná, who recently won a gold album for 500,000 units sold on the United States. If you check out RIAA, it says the exact same thing about their album as it says about Noelia's: Standard Gold Album; and if you check on RIAA what does a Standard Gold Album, it says it equals 500,000 units sold, whereas the category of Latin Gold Album varies. It's all there, and you can check it out. Thief12 (talk) 15:41, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

Noelia
Noelia is a common Spanish name. As such, there are a few other famous Noelias out there, as well as one of the main songs by Nino Bravo, which may have an article. Noelia, as it usually happens with common names, should be a disambiguation page. --Purplefire (talk) 22:06, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

Unreliable Source
A press release is not a reliable source and should not be used a reliable source in this article. Laverdadinfo (talk) 18:27, 16 May 2008 (UTC)
 * May I suggest posting at Reliable sources/Noticeboard and see what they think about the reliability? JeremyMcCracken (talk) (contribs) 23:20, 16 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I disagree with the notion that press releases are unreliable, but I disagree more with the complete disregard this user has for sourced information, deleting complete chunks of information dismissing it with simplistic comments like "Is not a reliable source". In deleting the information he/she thinks is unreliable, he's deleting the date an album was released, who was the producer, who was featured in it, what song peaked, etc. and those are simple facts that are far from being opinions or controversial issues. And he/she has behaved like this countless other times in this article. On the other hand, all the information he/she seems to contribute to the article is the one that's harmful to the artist, which I don't have a problem with as long as it's true, but it just puts in perspective what are his/her intentions. Thief12 (talk) 01:33, 17 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I'll help out and post something there myself. JeremyMcCracken (talk) (contribs) 03:02, 17 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Oh and a point to Thief12; I see you duplicated the same link as a citation. You can do this just the first time and use a shorter tag for other citations of the same link, see WP:REFNAME. JeremyMcCracken (talk) (contribs) 03:21, 17 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Here's the RS link: Reliable sources/Noticeboard JeremyMcCracken (talk) (contribs) 03:33, 17 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I reverted to a previous edit, and changed one of the sources to AllMusic.com, which offers information about the date of the album release, the producer, the genre, etc. and user Laverdadinfo (talk) again undid my changes only saying "a press release is not a reliable source". He/she obviously hasn't read the discussion here or on the Reliability page. Thief12 (talk) 16:58, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

I read it and saw that you were there telling lies. I don’t change anything that comes from Billboard! Billboard is a reliable source. But a press release giving by an artist is not a reliable source and I’m sorry that to promote lies about Noelia here in Wikipedia a press releases giving by her is not a reliable source that you should use. As people have said in the discussion, a press release is a low quality self-publish source and is not a reliable unless is giving by Billboard (which in this case is not). So I think you clearly haven't read what people said. So please stop adding unsource things. Billboard is a great and reliable source; press releases’ giving by the artist is not. In the press release you are trying to put as a reliable source I could easily point out various lies that I can prove are lies with charts in Billboard. Clearly, a unbias person knows that a press release (that one can detect obvious lies)and is giving by the artist is not a reliable source to use here. Please use Billboard as a source but no a press release. Thank you. Laverdadinfo (talk) 20:08, 18 May 2008 (UTC)
 * You are simplifying the discussion on the page just saying that press releases are not reliable, but many people have said that they are, but that they can be backed up by other sources. Dismissing them altogether as unreliable is your call. Besides, if you are so accurate to detect lies in the press release, prove them. Thief12 (talk) 20:11, 18 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I'd like to rephrase something. If you read carefully the discussion of whether a press release is a reliable source, you'll see that 3 of 4 people that replied agreed that it IS a reliable source, and only one argued that although it can be considered reliable, other sources might be added. Thief12 (talk) 20:40, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

Who are you trying to fool? We can all go there and read them for ourself. The first person said that is a low quiality and not reliable. Then you went there and starting telling lies. Saying that I deleted album information like when it was release and the producer etc. Which is not true. Then the other person said that some press releases are reliable when the organization releasing it is an expert in the subject "For instance, a Fermilab press release would probably be a useful summary of Physics in layman's terms Shoemaker's Holiday". Which obviously this is not the case. What he says can apply to a press release from Billboard that it an expert in the music field and could have reliable information about an album. Another person said that "A press release is just fine for basic facts about a company or product, such as when a product was released or the name of the president of the company." Exactly my point just for know fact as when it was release, producer etc. Basic info. Then the other person said "If Billboard, an independent and reliable source for their own statistics, uses a press release to announce that Singer X's single "Song" has achieved gold record status per Billboard, then I'd think that's acceptable in an article about Singer X. A press release from Singer X making the same assertion would be self-serving and another source should be found" Exactly my point! The person said that and independent and reliable source like billboard send a press release annoucing the singer song, album charts etc. He thinks is acceptable. BUT, a press release from a singer making those assertion for herself would be self-serving so another source should be found! In summary a press release like Noelia's should no be use as a reliable source. Billboard is indeed a reliable source. Laverdadinfo (talk) 18:18, 19 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Let's see...
 * "some press releases might be reliable sources, when the organisation releasing it is an expert on the subject."
 * "Although it would be written in promotional language, a press release from a major motor vehicle manufacturer would be a reliable source for the launch of a new model of vehicle. There are various other cases where a press release might be reliable."
 * "A press release is a reliable source. However, it is a primary source which is not as high on the pecking order as a secondary source. A press release is just fine for basic facts about a company or product, such as when a product was released or the name of the president of the company."
 * Three users agreeing that press releases are indeed reliable sources if used for basic information about something, in this case, the release of an album, and yet you indiscriminately deleted chunks of basic information about Noelia's albums. But it's okay, I've already replaced most of the information with other sources. Oh, and I'm still waiting for you to prove the lies you claim are present on that press release. Thief12 (talk) 10:56, 20 May 2008 (UTC)

Noelia and Yolandita articles
Dear Thief12, have notice that we have a persona dedicated 24/7 to try to mess up with Noelia;s profile, laverdadinfo, this individual its no other than a guy (Gay) who runs Noelia's mother fan club , am proposing from now on to start the cleaning of Yolandita Monge's page, because she claims Gold and Platinum Albums with no solid or RIAA certification, lets strat been equal her, so lets go there my freind Thief and work on Yolandita Monge page. I have notice that we been allowing this person to include all kind of negative articles about Noelia, that its not even the spirit of Wikipedia, and I am shock that you allow this to happen in this page, have you notice that no one places  all tha negative stuff about Noelia's mother in her page, have you notice that? sha was involved in a Adultery case in Puerto Rico etc, etc. Lets clena her page too, and include some of the negative stuff that the people who work for her are son interested in including here only. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.109.234.75 (talk) 05:23, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your preoccupation. Remember that Wikipedia is a cooperative effort which allows articles to be benefited from multiple sources. Now, to emphasize that the user you refer to is allegedly gay is completely irrelevant and doesn't really add anything to your point. If you think the article of Yolandita Monge is under vandalism, then report it, and contribute to it providing valid sources for your points. In the same line, no unsourced information has been allowed to remain in Noelia's article, and the fact that you address me as "allowing it to happen" is borderline offensive. I'm not the guardian of this page, even though I frequently contribute to it the same way I do with countless other articles and topics. If you think that negative and/or irrelevant information has been put in the article, then discuss it here or report it. Your invitation to post negative stuff on Yolandita Monge's page is equally offensive. My attempt is not to demean, insult, or give the upper-hand to any person, but to provide useful and truthful information in any article I might feel interested. Thief12 (talk) 02:40, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

Im not even going to address the first person that wrote or any of his/her offensive, untrue and nonsense claims. Its just to idiotic to even respond. (Laverdadinfo (talk) 11:14, 13 June 2008 (UTC))

Third parties claims
Thief, you are right I didn't explain it in the editing section because is long, I will explain it here. I took out those last things because then it opens a whole new window of facts that has to be put also. For example, if you put the grandmother statement then you have to put Noelia's sisters and brother statements as well. Also, if you put those early statements of Yamil you also have to put his later statements and his contradictions. Also, the fact that he before all this controversy he wasn't famous or successfull at all. He released an album a few year ago with no success at all (and he even has gone on record saying it) after his failed first cd years went by without he releasing another album. Years later he comesback with a new cd just at the same time the porn video was release. Also, he first stated he didn't know Reynoso and hadn't talked to Noelia. But after further questioning he admitted he indeed talked frequently to both. Later, he also accuses Noelia's former manager, Elizabeth Sanchez, with the involvement of releasing the porn video. He was sued for defamation and his case is still pending. Also the fact that Reynoso's ex wife who he also manage her career, Pilar Montenegro, also accused Jorge Reynoso of selling pornographic photos of her. (Laverdadinfo (talk) 11:14, 13 June 2008 (UTC))
 * I put the statement of the grandmother because she has said on interviews that Mamery abused of Noelia, which - true or not - is relevant to the further accusations. If you think the sisters/brother statements are relevant in light of the accusations, then they can be added too. As for Yamil, whether he was successful or not is irrelevant to the case. We're not commenting on his fame or celebrity status, but on the allegations he said regarding the porn tape. If he contradicted himself later, that can be put as well, if it's indeed relevant to the core of the section. I do think that his version of how the tape reached Fernandez/Mamery is very relevant. Thief12 (talk) 18:44, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

Ok. Remember that the grandmother said that she didn't saw any abuse from Mamery toward Noelia. That Noelia later told her about it but not that she herself saw it. I believe we should't add this third party claims or opinions because it truly opens a wide window and people statements that then should be mention also. Noelia's sisters and brother, Elizabeth Sanchez, Pilar Montenegro etc. But if you really want to ok, if you want I suggest that before posting any of this, I could research all this, put everything here and discuss it here with you and get a conclusion on all of this. What do you think? (Laverdadinfo (talk) 10:09, 16 June 2008 (UTC))

Needs heavy editing
Is it me, or does this page need heavy editing to follow...err...every single one of the guidelines? I'm talking a good copy editing, verifying sources, etc. A nice cleanup CerpinTaxt (talk) 20:04, 23 February 2012 (UTC)

Noelia was born 1976
Noelia was born in 1976 and they keep change in it. As you can see in the talk page it was previously discuss years ago and agreed on by an administrator that she in fact was born in 1976 and a reliable source was put in as a reference. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mirror89 (talk • contribs) 20:10, 3 May 2012 (UTC)
 * What administrators? Agreed where? It seems you are reverting the whole article to some old version only to change her birth date, without caring about breaking things (like introducing wrong reference titles, etc). Birth dates of many young female artists are traditionally a controversial issue, but your reference just does not look credible. It is an interview where an interviewee drops a note "Y lo peligroso de todo esto es que Noelia tiene 30 años" (and I'm afraid that Noelia is 30) - she doesn't even sound certain for herself. Materialscientist (talk) 00:23, 4 May 2012 (UTC)

Ahh?? An interviewee?? She doesn't even sound certain herself??? What???? Its Noelia's own mother!!!!!! Are you saying Noelia's own mother, the one that gave birth to her is just and interviewee and she...her own mother is not sure when she gave birth?? "and Im afraid that Noelia is 30???? You obviously don't speak spanish because that's not what her mother is saying! I have a feeling you are using google translation or something similar which doesn't work. Now I understand why you are changing it. You dont know who Noelia and her mother Yolandita are plus you don't speak spanish. Now I get it. If you want to go over the articles and for me to translate it to you I can. I can see why you changed it you didnt know. But yes that's not a random woman saying it is her mother. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mirror89 (talk • contribs) 04:13, 4 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Give me a minute and stay on the talk page please - I'll fix your edits when I verify them. Materialscientist (talk) 04:23, 4 May 2012 (UTC)

Oh ok! Sorry just saw you answered this. Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mirror89 (talk • contribs) 04:25, 4 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Ugh .. I actually don't know her and didn't realize it was her mother speaking. I've reverted your edit because it broke some other things, but I've changed her birth year to "c. 1977". I don't see a better solution at the moment, because all I can rely on is her mother words, but she only said "30 in 2007", she didn't say August 31, 1976, and given the controversy, we can't combine her words with someone else saying "August 31". Materialscientist (talk) 04:45, 4 May 2012 (UTC)

Ok...and what about all the other things that I changed cause they are all wrong? If you go to the links you will clearly see that I reverted to the version when the information was correct. That's why I changed to that version. Someone not so long ago changed and added wrong things and it stayed that way for a while. Her age is not the only thing that was changed that is wrong. Please see that the last version that I put was the correct one and that the other things added after that are not veried in the links given. --Mirror89 (talk) 05:05, 4 May 2012 (UTC)

I'm gonna correct them cause I assumed you dont know which they are and you can verify them. ok?--Mirror89 (talk) 05:10, 4 May 2012 (UTC)

Looking at it is too much work. Someone change the reference sources so I have to added it and they added crazy unsourced statement without proper references. Im gonna revert it to the way it was which has all the verified links and information and from there can you make the change with the age as you just did? Anything that its erase that you have doubt about we can talked about it here and I'll give you the link for you to see why the change. OK?--Mirror89 (talk) 05:20, 4 May 2012 (UTC)
 * My problem is that it is unclear what do you want to change - you just reverted the whole article breaking some references. Could you briefly outline your points here? Unreferenced info can be deleted. The problem with the rest is that it is sort of referenced, but different references support different views, and most of those references are not really reliable ("gossip news" or hearsay sites). Materialscientist (talk) 05:25, 4 May 2012 (UTC)

Protection
The article has been protected; no one can edit it except admins. Lulusi9 and Noeliawiki, perhaps the two of you could talk here and work out what the problem is? Cheers, LindsayHello 19:10, 10 October 2013 (UTC)

PROTECTING NOELIA'S PAGE FROM VANDALIZM
Hello Dear friend Thank for protecting the page but you protected with vandalized information, you must read the last version a refer to the references like the DOB, please place the lock with the accurate Information not with the vandalized version. am bringing this to several supervisors look at this  this reference  http://www.noelia.tv/noeliadocwikipedia/  the reference is the for the DOB and you lock the page with wrong information.. Please revert the Lock or the accurate Information Please.. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Noeliawiki (talk • contribs) 19:32, 10 October 2013 (UTC)
 * I don't know when Noelia's birth date is, I don't know if reliable sources agree or disagree on her date of birth, and I realize that other female artists have been known to try to shave a few years off their age. Having said that, the article is currently inconsistent - it states a birth year of 1977, while references 3 and 4 both give dates of 1979, and reference 1 supports 1979 too.  (The dead link tag in the lead can be removed if reference 4 is updated with this archiveurl.)  I hope that discussion here can lead to an agreement on how to present her birth year.  (See Mariah Carey for an example where reliable sources disagree.)  GoingBatty (talk) 01:29, 11 October 2013 (UTC)
 * I would suggest both/all editors talk here and agree, before trying to have the article edited again. The two i mention above User:Noeliawiki and User:Lulusi9 seem to have been joined by someone else who has left a message on my talk page, User:Musicexpert1970.
 * The reason i say this is because i have no real interest in Noelia's birth date; i'd like the article to be accurate, but beyond that i don't care. Some of you evidently do, however, and it is affecting your behaviour, which is why the page was protected (not by me, incidentally; i am not an admin).  Looking at the history, it seems that GoingBatty and i have each come along a couple of times and picked up the pieces left by your behaviour, so obviously it is in our interest that everyone work together and agree.  Please don't accuse each other of vandalism.  That has a specific meaning here, and i'm not seeing it.
 * While GoingBatty may be correct about the link he gives above, if it is a scan of her passport, i doubt that that would be considered a Reliable Source, considering what can be done with image manipulation. What we need is a published source or sources which state a date (if they're in conflict, fine, that can be accommodated). Cheers, LindsayHello 05:38, 11 October 2013 (UTC)


 * I have changed the birth year to 1979 per the given sources. Apparently there are some sources that support another year of birth, but they tend to be vague. For example, this says she celebrated her 30th birthday in September 2007. Huon (talk) 19:00, 11 October 2013 (UTC)
 * - Please note that the article is still in Category:1977 births. GoingBatty (talk) 00:26, 12 October 2013 (UTC)


 * Good catch. For now I have removed the category outright and ambiguated the persondata. I'm ever more convinced that the best course is to give both dates with the corresponding sources. Huon (talk) 00:52, 12 October 2013 (UTC)


 * - Maybe Category:1970s births would be appropriate? GoingBatty (talk) 01:46, 12 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Sounds good to me. Added. Huon (talk) 02:08, 12 October 2013 (UTC)

Her birthdate should be corrected to the year she was born which is 1977. The most reliable source in this case is this link where her own mother says she is 30 years old back in 2007 which will make Noelia 36 years old now and born on 1977. Obviously that will be the most reliable source and would settle this. Here is the link. http://tv.univision.com/don-francisco-presenta/notas/article/2007-08-15/una-respuesta-para-noelia?page=2 Lulusi9 (talk) 21:14, 11 October 2013 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lulusi9 (talk • contribs)


 * Personally I'd say the scanned copy of her passport is more reliable than whatever her mother says, but as a compromise we should cite both dates with the corresponding sources. Huon (talk) 00:13, 12 October 2013 (UTC)

How do we know that's her passport?? Does the link come from a government agency? How do we know its not photoshopped? That supposed passport could be easily photoshopped. I could photoshop that supposed passport right now and put here the exact picture with a different birth date. A picture that could easily be photoshopped should not be a source. Do you want me to upload that supposed passport picture with the her real birthdate 1977? Then which one will we use? That is far from a reliable source because is the one that could be most easily manipulated. Obviously, the person who gave birth to her will know her age! Her own mother, saying her age should definetely be the most reliable source, not an easily photoshop picture. There is the print version of her mother's interview plus a video of the interview. The right birthdate should be corrected as soon as possible with the reference to the person who gave birth to her saying her age. Lulusi9 (talk) 02:24, 12 October 2013 (UTC)

Using statements from Noelia's Mother are NOT reliable, due to the Family Feud between this 2, is well known the Nasty and Vicious attacks between Mother and Daughter , so using that as reference is not acceptable to rely on her Mother Statements about Noelia's age due to well known and repeated Attacks on the media by each other. Statements of Noelia's Mother is well known in the media for harsh statements against Noelia. Let's just use as a reference when she called Noelia Bipolar with no medical facts or proof of that.  [ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.164.27.31 (talk) 05:30, 13 October 2013 (UTC) Reliable Reference that Indicates 1979 is the Correct Date of Birth. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.164.27.31 (talk) 07:02, 13 October 2013 (UTC)

I found very reliable Information about Noelia's date of Birth, People Magazine is well Know across the Board for Investigating and publish the accurate dates of Birth of Celebrities and Artist, People Magazine is part o a Media Giant Time who's policies are not to endorse false information, like dates of Birth for celebrities, here is reference from People Magazine which confirms that Noelia was born in 1979, here is the reference from People Magazine :)  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.164.27.31 (talk) 07:12, 13 October 2013 (UTC)

I totally agree to the statements above, any information coming from Noelia's Mother regarding Noelia's age can not be taken seriously, due to the media feud and personal attacks between this two Mother-Daughter Celebrities. I agree that sources like People magazine are the only few media outlets with real and strong credibility about the age of the Artist or celebrities. You can see that People magazine in almost every article about an a Celebrity starts for example " Catherine Zeta Jones (49) was on vacation" is their policy, that any other Internet portal not as serious as People are no a very good source of information and this may be malicious information dissipated by Noelia's Mother Camp, we should look close the fact that Noelia's mother page Yolandita Monge has endless unreferenced information many  like Gold and Platinum Awards for record sales  that are not in the Data base of RIAA  This repeated edits are definitely the efforts of Noelia's Mother Camp to Vandalize the Page. So the real fact here is that Noelia was born in 1979 according to People magazine and Univision. Is no better reliable source.

Noelia's birthdate 1977
Noelia's birthdate is 1977. Female singers sometimes tend to lie about their age and take out a few years off. This is what Noelia and her camp have been trying to do for a few years now. Here are links that show Noelia's age being 36 and being born on 1977.

http://www.tvyespectaculos.com/2007/09/06/noelia-festejo-sus-30-anos-en-los-angeles/

http://www.tvnotas.com.mx/famosos/582-Noelia-Lorenzo%20/

http://www.metroflog.com/cher_21/20090728/1

The most reliable source in this case is this link where her own mother says she is 30 years old back in 2007 which will make Noelia 36 years old now and born on 1977. Obviously that will be the most reliable source and would settle this. Here is the link.

http://tv.univision.com/don-francisco-presenta/notas/article/2007-08-15/una-respuesta-para-noelia?page=2 Lulusi9 (talk) 21:14, 11 October 2013 (UTC)

Using statements from Noelia's Mother are NOT reliable, due to the Family Feud between this 2, is well known the Nasty and Vicious attacks between Mother and Daughter , so using that as reference is not acceptable to rely on her Mother Statements about Noelia's age due to well known and repeated Attacks on the media by each other. Statements of Noelia's Mother is well known in the media for harsh statements against Noelia. Let's just use as a reference when she called Noelia Bipolar with no medical facts or proof of that. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.164.27.31 (talk) 06:47, 13 October 2013 (UTC)

This is a reliable reference a Prestige Publication Like People Magazine that is well know across the board for having accurate Dates of Birth of Celebrities and Artist. Noelia was born in 1979. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.164.27.31 (talk) 07:05, 13 October 2013 (UTC)

Noelia's Birthday 1979
This is a reliable reference a Prestige Publication Like People Magazine that is well know across the board for having accurate Dates of Birth of Celebrities and Artist. Noelia was born in 1979.

— Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.164.27.31 (talk) 07:16, 13 October 2013 (UTC)

I totally agree to the statements above, any information coming from Noelia's Mother regarding Noelia's age can not be taken seriously, due to the media feud and personal attacks between this two Mother-Daughter Celebrities. I agree that sources like People magazine are the only few media outlets with real and strong credibility about the age of the Artist or celebrities. You can see that People magazine in almost every article about a Celebrity starts with the Age, for example " Catherine Zeta Jones (49) was on vacation" is their policy, that any other Internet portal is not reliable and serious as People magazine, some times small Gossip Media Portals or Blogs of   Entertainment Information are not a very good source of information, and those small sites may just publish malicious information dissipated by Noelia's Mother Camp, we should look close the fact that Noelia's mother page Yolandita Monge has  endless unreferenced information many  like Gold and Platinum Awards for record sales  that are not in the Data base of RIAA  This repeated edits are definitely the efforts of Noelia's Mother Camp to Vandalize the Page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Musicexpert1970 (talk • contribs) 07:31, 13 October 2013 (UTC)

Administrator needed
An administrator is needed urgently to fix the birthdate on this biography. I understand that Noelia and her camp want to take out a few years of her age but this is a biography not a promotional page. Her birth year is 1976 and I have given sources, including her mother. The person who is writing above is saying untrue statements and making no sense. Right now the page is saying the wrong birth date This should be fix immediately or at least put both until its resolved. But only putting the incorrect birthdate which Noelia and her management wants to be is not correct. Lulusi9 (talk) 01:01, 14 October 2013 (UTC)

Administrators already make their Decision, 1979 is the Correct Date of Birth
Administrator already have reverse several attempts by user "Lulusi9" with a Personal Interest in vandalizing this page and trying to make a case with unreliable sources, Noelia's Mother its been proof that she is not a reliable source for any information related to her daughter due to the Family feud, is well known that when a feud like this happens in the Artistic world, both sides tent to Dirt, and false statements, Noelia's mother definitely is not the one to consult any Information about Noelia, its been proven that she hates her daughter  and is some sense of envy because of the decadence of the Mother, This is a reliable reference a Prestige Publication Like People Magazine that is well know across the board for having accurate Dates of Birth of Celebrities and Artist. Noelia was born in 1979. Here is reliable reference by People magazine plus the passport Scan. 

[8] — Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.164.27.31 (talk) 07:16, 13 October 2013 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Musicexpert1970 (talk • contribs)


 * Administrators do not issue rulings on content disputes. All edits to article content are considered equal, even if made by an administrator. the only type of edits that are considered differently than others are blatant vandalism. Beeblebrox (talk) 16:49, 20 October 2013 (UTC)

Edit requested
Would an admin please edit the article to show "Noelia Lorenzo Monge (born in San Juan, Puerto Rico), mostly known as Noelia, is a Puerto Rican pop singer..." as the opening, and "Born Puerto Rico" in the infobox? Clearly, this is a disputed issue, not currently resolvable, so neither date currently argued about should be present currently. I admit this is a less than optimal solution, but.... Cheers, LindsayHello 17:48, 14 October 2013 (UTC)

I agree with Lindsay, is better to leave the information as Born In San Juan Puerto Rico with no year, I can present at least another 50 sites with references that states that Noelia is 34 and she was born in 1979, and I have to say again, Statement's from her Mother are NOT the most accurate, the between them have create a war on false statements.Musicexpert1970 (talk) 17:58, 14 October 2013 (UTC)

Where's the administrator? An administrator needs to correct the birth year right away because right now it has the wrong year and the sources to support that birth year are a dead link, a website with no info and a supposed passport pic which I can replicate the exact picture and photoshopped any birthdate. They shouldn't put any birthdate like Lindsay suggested or preferably put both dates like on the Mariah Carey biography here on wikepedia until we get to a final agreement. Lulusi9 (talk) 21:14, 14 October 2013 (UTC)

I totally agree with Lindsay, is better to leave the information as Born In San Juan Puerto Rico with no year, on my behalf I can present at least another 100 sites with references that states that Noelia is 34 and she was born in 1979, and I have to say again, Statement's from her Mother are NOT the most accurate, the between them have create a war on false statements. at this Point is Obvious at this point that the Member with the name "Lulusi9" has a Personal Agenda against Noelia's Biography.Musicexpert1970 (talk) 22:58, 14 October 2013 (UTC)

I don't have a personal agenda against anyone. I have an agenda with the truth. The truth is Noelia was born on 1977 and she is 36 years old. That's a fact that you want to hide. Until we resolve this the best thing to do is to put both birth years like on the Mariah Carey page were there is also a dispute and the reader can make their own assumption. Where's the administrator???? Lulusi9 (talk) 03:53, 15 October 2013 (UTC)

Noelia was Born on 1979 is an endless list of sites that confirms that, I agree with Lindays 100% date of birth must not be posted, is no agreement or consensus so we are better off with a Permanent Lock with no Date of Birth or leave the 1979 like it is right now. Also if the User (Lulusi9) wants to keep disputing this with same arguments using Noelia's Mother as a reliable source, leaves more evidence that the User (lulusi9) belongs to  the family or group that is in a Feud with Noelia, this group of Cyber Vandals  are well known for articulating Attacks on Noelia for years on this page. Vandalizing Noelias' information is their whole day work.

I the other hand, I have invite a few administrators to review Noelia's Mother page "Yolandita Monge", to start doing some Clean up to the page, 90 percent of that page is a self promotion page, with no solid references like Noelia's page, if you are a passionate seeker of the truth, we invite you also to clean up that page, we will start with the RIIA data base to see if any of the "Gold" and 'Platinum" albums are certified, you seem to be very persistent person with interest in both Artist, so lets make sure both pages have accurate and reliable sources. In the mean time the Date of Birth of Noelia will not be posted as one of the Administrator wrote already. Musicexpert1970 (talk) 05:58, 15 October 2013 (UTC)


 * I have removed the disputed birth date from the article. When you have consensus about what date should actually be included, please raise a request. If the correct date is not known then it would be best to mention this is the article, or to say that different dates are reported by different reliable sources. &mdash; Martin (MSGJ · talk) 08:25, 15 October 2013 (UTC)

Musicexpert formerly know as the user noeliawiki stop making false statements with no evidence. Cyber vandals? What on earth are you talking about? I don't care for either Noelia or her mother. You are the one that is really obsess with her mother and you keep mentioning her. You even said you are obsesses with her page. I don't care for either but I do know that Noelia was born on 1977 and since a few years back she's been lying about her age and have taken two years off. That's a fact. In this case, like a previous administrator said, both dates should be added with both references like on the Mariah Carey page were there is also a dispute. Until its resolve the best way is to put both dates with both references. Administrator could you help with this please? Lulusi9 (talk) 16:31, 15 October 2013 (UTC)

Thank you to the Administrator MSGJ for taking the action of removing the Date of Birth, no consensus its been reached, so the option suggested by Lindsay is the best option for now. No date Birth should be added due to a total disagreement. Is more evidence and references pointing at the date of Birth is 1979 ,but for now lets just follow the rules and comply with the action taken by the Administrator MSGJ. Musicexpert1970 (talk) 18:47, 15 October 2013 (UTC)

Name and career detail
Noelia being a fairly common name, I think we should consider renaming the article "Noelia Lorenzo Monge", and adding a "Noelia" disambig page. Article already states "commonly known as Noelia".

There is too much detail about every step of her career. Seems promotional. Centrepull (talk) 16:39, 10 July 2015 (UTC)

Birthdate ~ category
There is still ~ how many years later? ~ edit warring about the year of Noelia's birth. Until we all just quit this back and forth, i've changed the category to Category:1970s births, rather than the specific year. Ideally, the edit wars will stop and we can be more specific and accurate. Happy days, LindsayHello 15:48, 2 July 2019 (UTC)

Noelia recent edits
Is a lot of Information missing about Noelia on her Entrepreneurial career George Rey (talk) 17:12, 13 March 2022 (UTC)