Talk:Noisebridge

Expansion
Notability and non-wiki sources are being added. --Lexein (talk) 22:42, 3 December 2010 (UTC)
 * I've added a bunch of sources and updated the page to better reflect some facts about Noisebridge. Ioerror (talk) 04:17, 5 December 2010 (UTC)

Proposal for Speedy Deletion
Page was recreated after being deleted. The page has been recreated by one of the "founders" of the group, and is self-advertising, with half the sources being the group itself. Organisation is still "non-notable" and "self-promoting", essentially identical to the page that was just deleted in compliance with Wikipedia policy. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.92.0.185 (talk) 23:42, 4 December 2010 (UTC) --Lexein (talk) 00:46, 5 December 2010 (UTC)
 * G4 does not apply, since there was no Deletion Discussion - it was just a PROD which went unanswered. There was no discussion, and the nominator is simply not stating the truth.
 * The claim of 'recreated by one of the "founders"' is unsubstantiated. irrelevant. Note that if that editor hadn't recreated it, I would have, and I am demonstrably not a member of Noisebridge, or affiliated with any of its officers. Further, per COI, if the COI editor ceases contributing to the article and "plays nice" by contributing only to the Talk page, then deletion is not warranted.
 * Notability has been established by citation of international and national newspaper and magazine coverage over multiple years. This satisfies WP:GNG the General Notability Guideline. See references.
 * Self-promoting? No. The article does not mention any founders or names of individuals. Further, the claims in the article are sourced by independent, 3rd-party, reliable sources.  Further the organization is a registered non-profit, and 501(c)(3) IRS registered charity.
 * The article has been tagged as In Progress while it is being expanded and sourced. The Talk page contained a description of the reason for the In Progress tag.
 * The author of the CSD did not place the suggested Speedy template on my talk page - this is a common courtesy.


 * Please do not delete this page. I am a founder of the group but I'm hardly self-promoting here. The article was deleted without discussion and so I recreated it to address the issues voiced. Noisebridge is an internationally famous group and it is part of a global movement of Hackerspaces; it's the one of the largest and most successful hacker spaces in the United States in a number of different ways. Ioerror (talk) 04:30, 5 December 2010 (UTC)
 * This most recent speedy deletion attempt was faulty and reverted by a notified administrator. No worries. --Lexein (talk) 10:35, 5 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Thank you. Ioerror (talk) 18:08, 5 December 2010 (UTC)

Welcome
Ioerror, thank you for "declaring" as an interested party, per WP:COI, and for contributing article improvements. The article has been improved in several ways, and there a few areas for improvement going forward. I hope you take these comments in the positive light they are intended, for improving the article, and making it even more deletion-resistant. --Lexein (talk) 10:35, 5 December 2010 (UTC)
 * 1) Per WP:COI it will be best if interested parties (Noisebridge founders, officers, and paying members) make suggestions here on the Talk page, instead of editing the article itself, except for WP:COI.
 * 2) Although Noisebridge's wiki http://noisebridge.net/wiki is a sort of a WP:Primary source, it's not a good source for Wikipedia articles because it's a wiki editable by anyone, and therefore is not a WP:Reliable source. Official Press Releases are better, since they're tangible, widely distributed, republished by other sources, and static.  Also, fixed web pages as administered by a webmaster, under an editorial policy with internal fact-checking, are also considered more reliable for sourcing than a wiki.  The NB "Vision" statement is ok because supported by a 3rd party source. Unfortunately, the Spacebridge wiki page citation is on the bubble, unless the "design limits" assertion is also supported in a 3rd-party source.

Media mentions
The Media section is problematic. Lists of media mentions are, in my experience, not allowed in Wikipedia, or any encyclopedia, really. The list seems to be there to defend the notability of the article, but it's not needed in that capacity because the article is supported by inline citations of WP:Reliable sources throughout. What I mean is, the media sources which discuss Noisebridge (not just name it) should just be used in inline citations, not pointed out as "looky here - a media mention."
 * The Rolling Stone article is entirely about Jacob Applebaum without a single mention of Noisebridge, so it's a great source for an article about him. It may be usable in a section about notable Noisebridge members. Are there four or five members which satisfy the General Notability Guideline WP:GNG for such a section?


 * The NYMag article names Noisebridge twice with no significant details - might as well mention meeting at a library.

--Lexein (talk) 10:35, 5 December 2010 (UTC)
 * The Examiner.com-San Francisco is not an established, reliable source (it's not the San Francisco Examiner). The article only mentions an upcoming event at Noisebridge, nothing else.

WP:COI disclosure

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I am affiliated with the subject of this article and as such my edits to it should be clearly non-controversial.
 * ~leif &#9786; (talk) 22:27, 23 January 2011 (UTC)
 * belated thx, Leif. --Lexein (talk) 14:53, 19 August 2013 (UTC)


 * jdshutt, John Shutt — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jdshutt (talk • contribs) 22:24, 26 June 2018 (UTC)

Question
What does the name and logo refer to? Steven Walling 20:59, 17 February 2011 (UTC)

Bias
This article reads like a marketing brochure. Award-winning software and more! And we speak at conferences! And look at our facilities! How about an description without promotion? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.188.144.12 (talk) 08:29, 2 June 2011 (UTC)
 * As Stephen Colbert might say, we can't help it if nationally unknown sources say we're great! Would it help if the descriptions sounded sad or petty?  In 2011, the stupid award-winning SF Bay Guardian said something stupid about the greatness that is Noisebridge once again. Stupid dead-tree rag. Sorry, I can't see anything wrong with the article through the golden haze of glory that envelops me, post-rapture. You're going to have to be more specific, or boldly edit it yourself.  Perhaps sprinkle in some "ironically"s?
 * --Lexein (talk) 10:04, 2 June 2011 (UTC)
 * San Francisco Bay Guardian with a, sub-category "editors' pick", is not exactly a notable WP:42 award, they also had a "readers' pick", and allegedly some "Goldie award" (=one unsourced enwiki statement in the next section). IOW, this is spam, or rather WP:UNDUE. –46.59.173.87 (talk) 17:03, 31 December 2017 (UTC)

This is a fair point, while I don't see the mention of getting awards as bias or as odd promotional content, the "media coverage" section is just not that well done, so I'll work on converting the "list of media articles" into interesting and relevant content, by reading those articles, quoting or referencing them as seems useful, and citing them as sources. The "awards" mentions could also just be in an awards section as is fairly standard for articles. Lizzard (talk) 20:26, 19 November 2022 (UTC)

incorrect date for arduino pic
I don't know if this is in the right place, but the Arduino for beginners pic has july 2011 as the date, which is wrong. I know this because I am in the picture. It was taken in July 2012. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 184.187.164.34 (talk) 18:58, 2 August 2013 (UTC)
 * It came from http://www.flickr.com/photos/maltman23/5982989300/ The EXIF data in at the file page: File:Noisebridge Arduinos For Total Newbies workshop July 2011.jpg has the same date. The camera may have had the wrong date in memory. I removed the date from this article. Can you contact the Flickr user if they are in your area to see if they can clarify further? This is the correct place to discuss it as well as the file page at commons. I will see if I can get help with it over there. http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File_talk:Noisebridge_Arduinos_For_Total_Newbies_workshop_July_2011.jpg --Canoe1967 (talk) 19:13, 2 August 2013 (UTC)
 * I just checked the Flickr upload date as July 27, 2011. http://www.flickr.com/photos/maltman23/5982989300/meta/ You may look like someone in the picture or you were there both years.--Canoe1967 (talk) 20:21, 2 August 2013 (UTC)
 * http://www.flickr.com/photos/maltman23/archives/date-posted/2011/07/27/ is the rest of the set from that day, I think. You could look through those to see if you show up in any others.--Canoe1967 (talk) 20:35, 2 August 2013 (UTC)

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