Talk:Noisy miner

Editing
This article could do with something on spellings ('miner' vs 'mynah' - my understanding is that the NM was named after the Indian Mynah but spelled differently for some reason?) --Calair 05:26, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

Some of the earlier stuff wasn't referenced (colony size?) but I've included links to places I grabbed information from. I'm very new to Wikipedia so don't know quite how to do it all proper, yet. Included a couple of shots of the birds up close and personal, since I live with three of them and frequently blog about their exploits. I thought more information would be useful for people looking to welcome other birds back into their yards without taking drastic measures, since I believe the Noisy Miner is, although of least concern, still a protected species. And the amount of people who find them on the roads and take them in for unhappy lives or into a vet where they get put down is just miserable, really, when they should be put back up into the underbrush of where they're found. Hopefully the info I included will be of use. Scribblette 00:41, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

Recently discovered the gender difference, courtesy the three fluffy munchkins on my shoulder. Damned hard to differentiate by appearance - it's behavior that gives it away. I've learnt they lay a clutch of 2-4 eggs (rarely 5) about 3cm long by 2cm wide, creamy with reddish brown spots concentrated around the wide end, 22 to 26 hours apart. They do not start incubation until the second egg is laid. Nests are cup shaped, 4 to 5 inches in diameter.

This was all stated by the avian vet I rang from some unnamed reference book, and shortly thereafter experienced by yours truly! The eggs are infertile, fortunately, but she's still sitting on them twelve days later.

The females seem to take about two years to sexually mature. I'm including this information here but not all yet on the wiki lack of references I can link to beyond myself. It's just that no one else writes about them! Scribblette (talk) 01:51, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

Interesting facts on the minor bird. I had an experience of my own on the way home from wooloowin primary, as a young lad. I found a helpless, injured, baby minor bird, and decided to take it him and nurse it back to to health. After finding out that I didn't have the knowledge to help it back into survival on its own in the wild, I took it to the local vet, he begins to tell me that it is an introduced pest, and that we should kill it. Me myself, at the time thought that was a little harsh. But with my experiences with them since, and seeing there behaviour with other birds. There aggression towards other birds and especially the crows. They tend to gang up and scare the locals. There singing isn't to easy on the ears either. Over I think that less of them greater outweighs the want for more... Bowfourmatt (talk) 22:20, 2 May 2016 (UTC)

Want comments?
The article looks pretty good! If it's destined towards FAC, I could offer some critical commentary that might help give it a shove there. Would have to be piecemeal over the next week though (busy times!) Sasata (talk) 08:03, 24 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Same here - a pretty crazy time of year...incidentally we rescued about half a dozen baby noisy miners from the ground under our street trees (while ducking the parents!) Casliber (talk · contribs) 09:48, 24 December 2011 (UTC)


 * How is that RESCUING them, or were you putting them back up in the trees? Read the article - the parents are still caring for them. Hope you put them back up in the trees where you could! 110.174.97.5 (talk) 06:43, 22 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Yes exactly - we stuck them back in the trees and they hopped around ok (cats and dogs prowling at ground level). Casliber (talk · contribs) 12:02, 22 April 2012 (UTC)


 * No rush. I'd love some critical comment and editing help, and a co-nom at FAC in due course. Marj (talk) 18:56, 24 December 2011 (UTC)

Y'know, it's surprising I haven't come across any aboriginal names or folklore for such a noisy and common bird....Casliber (talk · contribs) 12:37, 1 January 2012 (UTC)
 * HANZAB page 1265 Bindedj, Di ti, Pirit, Pindeen Marj (talk) 18:50, 1 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Dang, I hate it when it's a list with no other info....oh well, to hunt some more info up. Casliber (talk · contribs) 20:59, 1 January 2012 (UTC)

See this for sequence of names. Casliber (talk · contribs) 13:05, 1 January 2012 (UTC)

Can we use this in the Taxonomy section? Marj (talk) 21:33, 1 January 2012 (UTC)


 * Yes, it's a great painting. I am going to do up a range map soon too. Casliber (talk · contribs) 22:27, 1 January 2012 (UTC)

Gallery
What is the feeling on galleries? There are a number of images of agonistic behaviour that could be shown as a gallery.

Hmm. Other thing we did was a 3 x 2 box of images at Banksia prionotes. What you reckon of that? Casliber (talk · contribs) 08:18, 3 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Yeh, I like having the border, though I think a row under the section might work better than a block on the side. Marj (talk) 20:12, 3 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Box added, copying Banksia prionotes. I couldn't work out how to do a horizontal one. Marj (talk) 21:13, 5 January 2012 (UTC)
 * I've removed the box I added, while it works on the Banksia page for the close up detail, I think the images of the birds end up too small to give any relevant info. Plus the box takes up too much room for the amount of text. Marj (talk) 20:57, 16 January 2012 (UTC)

File:Noisy Miner attacking dove.jpg Nominated for speedy Deletion
The rightful owner agree for the use of this photo with the right attribution. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.158.47.147 (talk) 20:28, 15 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Cheng Hiang, You might wish to upload your image, this is the edited version with the birds on the left moved closer to the group and adjustments to exposure, saturation and sharpness. Marj (talk) 21:04, 16 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Done this for you, the image is now your image with the correct copyright information Marj (talk) 22:36, 17 January 2012 (UTC)

Derivation of common name
One thing bugging me is a lack of discussion on common name - I suppose it arose out of the bird's dark grey and black face resembling a coal-miner's blackened face (?) but have never seen it written. I'd love to find something on it. Casliber (talk · contribs) 21:08, 20 January 2012 (UTC)
 * I tried to find out why a "Miner" but it's not an easy thing to search. Any explanation of the common name just discussed the "Noisy" bit. Marj (talk) 00:26, 21 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Longer OED had nothing useful and have only looked in shorter Macquarie whivh had no explanation either - as starting points. Casliber (talk · contribs) 05:45, 21 January 2012 (UTC)

Additional sources
... from a Web of Knowledge search. Sasata (talk) 17:45, 5 March 2012 (UTC)


 * Title: A micro-geography of fear: learning to eavesdrop on alarm calls of neighbouring heterospecifics
 * Author(s): Magrath Robert D.; Bennett Thomas H.
 * Source: PROCEEDINGS OF THE ROYAL SOCIETY B-BIOLOGICAL SCIENCES Volume: 279   Issue: 1730   Pages: 902-909   DOI: 10.1098/rspb.2011.1362   Published: MAR 7 2012


 * ✅ fascinating field study this. Casliber (talk · contribs) 13:01, 7 March 2012 (UTC)


 * Title: Win shifting in nectarivorous birds: selective inhibition of the learned win-stay response
 * Author(s): Sulikowski Danielle; Burke Darren
 * Source: ANIMAL BEHAVIOUR Volume: 83   Issue: 2   Pages: 519-524   DOI: 10.1016/j.anbehav.2011.11.030   Published: FEB 2012


 * ❌ veering towards not adding this one - a tad specialised and part of more comprehensive experimentation that'd be good to see in a secondary source. A controlled behaviour experiment whose outcomes are cautiously but not clearly generalisable (??) Casliber (talk · contribs) 13:24, 7 March 2012 (UTC)


 * Title: A reverse keystone species affects the landscape distribution of woodland avifauna: a case study using the Noisy Miner (Manorina melanocephala) and other Australian birds
 * Author(s): Montague-Drake Rebecca M.; Lindenmayer David B.; Cunningham Ross B.; et al.
 * Source: LANDSCAPE ECOLOGY Volume: 26   Issue: 10   Pages: 1383-1394   DOI: 10.1007/s10980-011-9665-4   Published: DEC 2011


 * ✅ fascinating field study this. Casliber (talk · contribs) 11:13, 10 March 2012 (UTC)


 * Title: Tolerance of Auditory Disturbance by an Avian Urban Adapter, the Noisy Miner
 * Author(s): Lowry Helene; Lill Alan; Wong Bob B. M.
 * Source: ETHOLOGY Volume: 117   Issue: 6   Pages: 490-497   DOI: 10.1111/j.1439-0310.2011.01902.x   Published: JUN 2011


 * ✅ fascinating field study this (again). Casliber (talk · contribs) 20:40, 10 March 2012 (UTC)


 * Title: Habitat preferences of the noisy miner (Manorina melanocephala) - a propensity for prime real estate?
 * Author(s): Oldland Joanne M.; Taylor Rick S.; Clarke Michael F.
 * Source: AUSTRAL ECOLOGY Volume: 34   Issue: 3   Pages: 306-316   DOI: 10.1111/j.1442-9993.2009.01931.x   Published: MAY 2009


 * ✅ added. Casliber (talk · contribs) 21:07, 10 March 2012 (UTC)


 * Title: The effect of Noisy Miners on small bush birds: an unofficial cull and its outcome
 * Author(s): Debus S. J. S.
 * Source: Pacific Conservation Biology Volume: 14   Issue: 3   Pages: 185-190   Published: SEP 2008


 * ✅ added. Casliber (talk · contribs) 21:15, 10 March 2012 (UTC)


 * Title: Edge geometry influences patch-level habitat use by an edge specialist in south-eastern Australia
 * Author(s): Taylor Rick S.; Oldland Joanne M.; Clarke Michael F.
 * Source: LANDSCAPE ECOLOGY Volume: 23   Issue: 4   Pages: 377-389   DOI: 10.1007/s10980-008-9196-9   Published: APR 2008


 * ✅ added. Casliber (talk · contribs) 04:59, 11 March 2012 (UTC)


 * Title: Penetration of remnant edges by noisy miners (Manorina melanocephala) and implications for habitat restoration
 * Author(s): Clarke Michael F.; Oldland Joanne M.
 * Source: WILDLIFE RESEARCH Volume: 34   Issue: 4   Pages: 253-261   DOI: 10.1071/WR06134   Published: 2007


 * ✅ added Casliber (talk · contribs) 00:26, 11 March 2012 (UTC)


 * Title: Stop the bullying in the corridors: Can including shrubs make your revegetation more Noisy Miner free?
 * Author(s): Hastings Richard A.; Beattie Andrew J.
 * Source: Ecological Management & Restoration Volume: 7   Issue: 2   Pages: 105-112   DOI: 10.1111/j1442-8903.2006.00264.x   Published: AUG 2006


 * ✅ wow!! gotta try this one....Casliber (talk · contribs) 00:08, 11 March 2012 (UTC)


 * Title: Purple Swamphen Porphyrio porphyrio killing a noisy miner Manorina melanocephala nestling.
 * Author(s): Fitzsimons James A.
 * Source: Corella Volume: 27   Issue: 3   Pages: 90   Published: September 2003


 * ❌ not added for the time being as I can't access fulltext and is (I think) a one off opportunistic predation by an otherwise herbivorous/ominivorus fowl. I might add if I can read fulltext. Casliber (talk · contribs) 23:58, 10 March 2012 (UTC)


 * Title: Hierarchical analysis of genetic population structure in the noisy miner using DNA microsatellite markers
 * Author(s): Abbott CL; Poldmaa T; Lougheed S; et al.
 * Source: CONDOR Volume: 104   Issue: 3   Pages: 652-656   DOI: 10.1650/0010-5422(2002)104[0652:HAOGPS]2.0.CO;2   Published: AUG 2002


 * ❌ study shows substantial gene flow locally but not over larger distances, which is to be expected really. Not a big study and given size of article I am inclined to leave it out for the time being. Casliber (talk · contribs) 23:55, 10 March 2012 (UTC)


 * Title: Brood displacement of noisy miner by blue-faced honeyeater.
 * Author(s): Lethbridge Robert
 * Source: Sunbird Volume: 31   Issue: 3   Pages: 92-93   Published: December 2001
 * ❌ strange story of pair of blue-faced honeyeaters driving off noisy miners and raising their eggs, but once the young miners were fledged the blue-faced honeyeaters flew away and the miners raised them. I've never heard a story like this one and strikes me as a bizarre one-off that I think is better to defer adding... Casliber (talk · contribs) 12:18, 7 March 2012 (UTC)

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Agonistic or antagonistic?
Given the number of times "agonistic" is corrected to "antagonistic" as though it were a spelling error, some explanation may help. Agonism or agonistic behaviour is an animal survival behaviour that relates to fighting. It includes aggression, but also defense, submission and avoidance. Antagonism is active hostility based on dislike - it is a human emotion. Canis5855 (talk) 20:40, 1 November 2021 (UTC)