Talk:Nokia/Archive 1

Symbian and Ovi as companies
Nokia also has greater dependency on England based company duo namely Symbian Corporation for its mobile operating systems and OVI for its mobile based application software development and distribution, which has made Nokia as highest selling mobile phone vendor within the last few years.

Symbian is a software platform, not company (Symbian Ltd was previously acquired by Nokia). OVI (note capitalization is incorrect) is not a company at all, it is a brand name under which Nokia launched internet services. It certainly isn't a company or based in the UK. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.93.38.67 (talk) 22:27, 10 May 2011 (UTC)

Nokia Messaging
The protocol used for the service is not IMAP but Intellisync. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.115.46.115 (talk) 05:17, 16 June 2010 (UTC)

Best Finnish brand/employer
It is easily validated that NOKIA is among the best known Finnish brands (although people don't necessarily associate it to Finland). However, "best employer" - this is not true. Great Place to Work institute Finland http://www.greatplacetowork.fi/ has a yearly competition on best employers in Finland as well, NOKIA has never participated in it, so it is dubious to claim it to be "best employer". It is a large employer in Finland and abroad, yes, but please 1) Define "best" 2) Have a reference - who said so? Where? On what basis? Thank you. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 192.100.124.218 (talk) 10:11, 17 December 2009 (UTC)

Pronunciation
There's no way to write the name in English "phonetics".

This sentence is pointless, so I deleted it. IPA is, as the name says, INTERNATIONAL. The fact that english speakers find it difficult to pronounce it correctly is something completely different and has nothing to do with phonetics. --MoLo 22:44, 2 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Can't you see the questions below? "is it knockia or not?" --Vuo 00:59, 3 April 2006 (UTC)

Pronounciation doesn't make much sense to me here...Is it prounced Knock-ia or not? --Josquius 15:37, 27 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * I hope it's better now... --Vuo 20:20, 27 Feb 2005 (UTC)

--- ''This creates problems to some, especially English speakers, who replace the vowels with schwas, as there are no short [o] or [a] sounds in English. Some English mispronunciations include [n&#601;&#965;'ki:&#601;] "noe-KEY-uh" and [n&#594;kki:&#601;] "knock-E-uh".''

The original version talked only about Americans, as they are the only ones for which I was able to find an example of mispronunciation. BBC newscasters pronounce it correctly. Native speakers, how do you pronounce it? --Vuo 08:37, 3 Mar 2005 (UTC)


 * Belatedly, it would probably be a good idea to qualify what is meant by "short" in "there are no short...&c" in the article. The terms "short" and "long" don't mean anything outside of the context of a specific language unless you are actually talking about vowel length in linguistic terms (IPA diacritic : -- the amount of actual time used to pronounce the vowel). siafu 02:36, 13 May 2005 (UTC)
 * Yes, it is about the actual length in linguistic terms: it is contrastive in Finnish. English has only a diphthong [oU] (arguably "hall" [hO:l] has an long 'o') and no [a] sounds at all. (The vowel in "bat" you're thinking of is the Finnish 'ä' [&aelig;].) --Vuo 11:20, 13 May 2005 (UTC)
 * A long 'o' is found in the English word "bored" for example. Finnish [a] is almost the same as the vowel in "hut" --AMS

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Culture
I removed the following from the article twice:


 * The people of Finland are resilient, resourceful, and innovative. Individuals are well respected for their contributions toward advancements in technology. As one would imagine, the government's reform of its educational system close to two decades ago has paid off. The country is also known for having the largest number of computer programmers in the world. Unlike many large corporations, fellow Nokians are encouraged to participate in constructive discussions; presenting ideas and opinions with their peers and managers. English is the official language spoken and written among Nokians regardless of location 

If this is to be included (something about the corporate culture should be) it needs to be stripped and rephrased to be more NPOV. Blanket statements about national character, "one"'s expectations, and "being known for" (either it's true, in which case we can cite a reference, or it's not true. "being known for" something doesn't help) are POV and don't belong. siafu 01:12, 13 May 2005 (UTC)


 * What I have written here which you deleted is true based on my experiences. If you're familiar with the country, you will discover that the Finnish people are very proud of their accomplishments; such as Nokia.  I know because some of these Nokians are like family.  Ariele 01:21, 13 May 2005 (UTC)


 * While I appreciate your personal experience, the fact is that wikipedia needs to be written from a neutral point of view. Pride in one's accomplishments is great in life, but does not bring much (aside from a good work ethic) to an encyclopedia.  Additionally, this comment that you left on my talk page (bringing it here because I only want to respond in one place) merits special consideration:


 * The information I provided is not found in any news article or press release. You won't find it there...then on the flip side, it's the same as where's the proof that what I contributed here is false?


 * That's not how it works. Quoting from our article on Burden of proof (under "other uses): "Outside a legal context, 'burden of proof' means that someone suggesting a new theory or stating a claim must provide evidence to support it: it is not sufficient to say 'you can't disprove this'."  Saying that these statements should stand simply because I'm not an expert and can't directly disprove them is fallacious.  The burden of proof always falls upon the party making the assertion.


 * Moreover, I'm not doubting that Nokia culture feels "like family", or that the Finns see themselves as "resilient, resourceful, and innovative". The issue is that making these claims directly is inserting a subjective statement into an objective context and violating the principle of NPOV. siafu 02:33, 13 May 2005 (UTC)


 * What is the principle of NPOV? By the way, the readers may not be familiar with the abbreviated term NPOV?  Upon first seeing it, it sounds Russian but I know it isn't Russian.  Does that apply also to the theory of relativity?  It is afterall just a theory and has not been proven as law.  But you have a valid argument as well.  I have considered the idea of contacting some of my Finnish acquaintances for their feedback.  Ariele 17:06, 18 May 2005 (UTC)


 * NPOV stands for Neutral Point Of View. I reccomend you read the official policy at Neutral point of view.  Other than that, I'm afraid your comments don't make any sense to me at all.  I'm going to be reverting the article again; please attempt to make your additions conform to a neutral point of view before replacing them. siafu 22:02, 18 May 2005 (UTC)


 * That won't be necessary. I have the information I needed.  Kitos.  Ariele 15:39, 19 May 2005 (UTC)

Good god, some people really need to get out a bit more. Aside from the first sentence of the disputed paragraph, which could be considered a general opinion, the rest of it is fact. I don't understand what the problem is with NPOV in this case. Finland IS known for its contribution towards mobile technology, education standards HAVE gone up, they HAVE got the most computer programmers per head of population, Nokia DOES have a culture of sharing information and letting employees take the initiative with a fairly free reign, and English IS the official corporate language. Therefore I'm re-inserting the paragraph.


 * "The Finnish government's investment in technology and education has left the country with a high ratio of computer programmers per head of population." This is about Finland, and co-incidental to Nokia - add it to the article on Finland if you like.  What goes in here must be equally true of sites in San Francisco, Tokyo, Hungary and Tampere, ie internal Corporate culture rather than local culture.  I'll happily leave "Nokia is a progressive and forward-thinking mobile technology group spending millions on research and development and priding itself on being "first to market" with new applications."


 * I wonder why finnish people always like to peddle propaganda about their own country. I'm not convinced that either Finland or Nokia is so great in terms of being innovative, nor am I convinced that Nokia is "first to market with new applications". I would say that what Finland is actually good at is getting technology out to a vast proportion of their population. In other words Finns like buying and using technology.

Values
Point of interest: while researching a recent edit in the company's four listed "values", I noticed that both editors are right, depending on which nokia webpage you go to. Perhaps they are in the process of changing, or perhaps it is different for each country? Here's on with the older way ("Continuous learning"): http://www.nokia.ie/nokia/0,8764,29695,00.html Turnstep 20:25, 29 October 2005 (UTC)

Yes NPOV needs to be maintained. One could argue the Cold War, cold Climate, homogeneity, racial superiority, or reindeer as elements of Nokia's succeess?? One could equally reason for succeess from a another standpoint that having such dinosaurs and incompetent competitiors such as Telekom,AT&T, and Motorola are as important as reasons mentioned for Nolkia's succeesss. Hey, If IBM had developed cellular we would have $10,000 phones ( blue only), 1 very very big cell site around Armonk, software that didn't work PLUS WE WOULD STILL BE still waiting for FCS (first customer ship). LOL DMS

Wellington boots
Am I deluded, or do I remember seeing Nokia wellington boots on sale circa 1990? 213.94.242.185 16:31, 18 June 2006 (UTC)


 * No you aren't. Nokia made wellies for quite a long time, but the footwear division was divested in the 1990s, along with all other non-telecommunications divisions.  I added "footwear" to the place in the article that mentions this divestment.

STBs
Nothing seems to mentioned of Nokia's once massive range of television set-top boxes, including the relatively infamous 9600 and D-Box systems as well as ubiquitous VideoCrypt boxes and ITV Digital systems which meant there was probably a Nokia decoder or a rebadge of such in every third or fourth house in the UK and Ireland in the late 1990s. They were mostly satellite, but there were DTT and cable ones also. --Kiand 01:34, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

It should be pointed out, that although the company may have divested various parts of the business, The Nokia "logo" can still be seen on many pairs of wellington boots for sale in Finland. 192.100.116.142 07:21, 19 January 2007 (UTC)SDE

Snap Mobile
The article should mention SNAP mobile. http://snapmobile.nokia.com Mathiastck 20:49, 8 August 2006 (UTC)


 * This link is dead, and SNAP mobile may not be notable enough. However, if it is, a working link is here: http://www.forum.nokia.com/snapmobile Mojei (talk) 20:03, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

Message tones
The entry about messaage tones in Trivia section is false. I have tested it on several models (though, older, 3510i) and it's just not true. I don't know about newer models (series 60?) so if anyone can confirm, please add that it's for newer models only (although it seems very unlikely, morse code for "Connecting people"?) or delete it.

Well, I deleted it.

Trivia
"Nokia was originally a company set up to produce toilet paper." Is this true?

I thought that at the first years it was producing plastic boots. Even if they did produce only toilet paper in the beginning, I think we should still include this too.

Also, I believe it would be better if we had complete text, telling more about the things in the trivia section (not just a sentence or two). Abresas 13:48, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

Nokia sailing boots were arguably the best in the world - they were very waterproof and very durable. Sounds a bit subjective there.

One word...
Some parts of this article read like an advertisement. It's as if someone just replaced something like "We believe..." with "Nokia believes".--80.227.100.62 07:02, 17 December 2006 (UTC)

History
It's kind of ironic, or at least strange, that a Finnish town most Finns haven't even heard of, let alone visited, has managed to produce a company that is better known worldwide than Finland itself. J I P | Talk 12:00, 18 December 2006 (UTC)
 * -I am very sure every Finn knows that a town named Nokia exists. Afterall it has one of the best spas in Finland, Nokia's Eden. Nakki —Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.241.217.134 (talk) 23:03, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

Benefon
The article currently carries the following
 * In 1988 Jorma Nieminen and others started a spin-off company; Benefon Oy.

The connection to Nokia is not clear. Was Nieminen a former Nokia employer, but Benefon established as an independent company not owned by Nokia? The Benefon web site does not claim to have Nokia as a former parent. If Nokia did not establish Benefon, then the reference to Nieminen and Benefon Oy has no place in this article. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Hauskalainen (talk • contribs) 10:02, 7 January 2007 (UTC).

REVERTED
I had to restore the version from 09JAN2006, because all versions since then had some vandalism in it. Some legitimate content may have been lost. Jerry lavoie 04:23, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

The town and river are named after a small black marsupial found in the region which was nicknamed Nokia.

Is there really a black marsupial in Finland? Could anyone provide any more details about it?

Okay, but it's not a marsupial: ''The name Nokia is said to derive from the Finnish word, nokinäätä (nokinaata), a marten, an animal that inhabited the banks of Nokianvirta. The old Finnish word nois or nokia meant a black-furred sable. After the sable had become extinct in Finland the word was used to refer to other dark-furred animals such as the pine marten.'' -- "A town called Nokia", by Kaisa Kuikkaniemi, virtual.finland.fi

''Nokia was founded in 1865 as a wood-pulp mill by Fredrik Idestam. The company then expanded into producing rubber products in the Finnish town of Nokia, and began to use Nokia as a brand. After World War II Nokia acquired Finnish Cable Works, a producer of telephone and telegraph cables. In the 1970s Nokia became more involved in the telecommunications industry by developing the Nokia DX 200, a digital switch for telephone exchanges. In the 1980s Nokia got involved in the development of mobile phones for the NMT network, and in the 1990s, the company was streamlined into focusing on mobile phones, mobile phone infrastructure and other telecommunications areas, divesting itself of other items such as televisions and personal computers.''

This is more interesting. Why was its history modified to its current version???

Wow, so you rolled the article back 18 months. What's the point in anyone trying to contribute at all? Along with the 'vandalism' you also rendered accurate information to the trash can.

8110 in Matrix, not 7110
It says there in the article that there were a Nokia 7110 in the first movie of The Matrix Trilogy, but it was a 8110. Even the Wikipedias 7110 article knows that. I know that Nokia 7110 had a springloaded slider in the production models as I used to own one myself.

First digital switch
The German Wikipedia notes that the Siemens EWSD switch was put into service in Hamburg in 1980. I once heard a claim that the E8 digital switch by Alcatel was put into service even earlier. So it seems the information that the first digital switch put into service was the DX 200 by Nokia is not correct. &mdash;The preceding comment is by User: (talk • contribs) : Please sign your posts!
 * You'd need to cite reliable sources - certainly better than 'I once heard'! Wibbble 18:02, 25 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Sorry, the reference to the German Wikipedia - which explicitly states EWSD was deployed in 1980, but does not claim this to have been the first digigal switch - should be enough to refute a claim that Nokia was first in 1982. Unfortunately, the German Wikipedia article does not cite any sources on the 1980 deployment, but neither does the article regarding the question of precedence.. An unsubstantiated claim should simply not be kept in an article. 194.138.18.132 07:07, 22 June 2007 (UTC) GerardSpi 194.138.18.132 07:07, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

N-Gage and handheld gaming
No mention of Nokia's venture into handheld gaming in the article? Any particular reason for this? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Obonicus (talk • contribs) 00:48, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

gphone
I understood nokia is out of the gphone os development and distribution. I dont feel like savvy enough to add it to the article, but i think it s worth adding, including its possible implications (imho it is a mistake). thanks. --BBird 21:18, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

Great someone made this article biased
I was planning to buy a Nokia cell phone but then I started having vague memory about their phones exploding. So I went to read this article as I thought it might have something useful. Well this article has nothing on it so some people have already come by and removed it from the article, making it useless as an article for good advice in this area. I don't even need to list sources, a simply good search will find this stuff. http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=Nokia+cell+phone+explode  William Ortiz 02:03, 6 November 2007 (UTC)


 * Remember that Wikipedia is not here to dispense advice. Oli Filth(talk) 03:05, 6 November 2007 (UTC)


 * Well it wouldn't directly of course. It would explain the issue with the exploding phones in an unbiased manner.  All I heard of is basically: their phones exploded and they claimed it was generic versions of their batteries doing it.  People need to know that when buying cell phones.  I used generic batteries with Samsung phones and they worked fine, but I guess Nokia and Motorola (I heard them too but mostly Nokia) had some generic ones that were bad. William Ortiz 08:08, 6 November 2007 (UTC)


 * The Battery Thing was about particular amount of batteries which were produced without Nokia's consent and against technical requirements, caused overheat during charging and further melting/explosion, if that is matter for you. Nokia took it _very_ serious, with SMS-based service organized to verify batteries in place of sale by sending code from scratch-card-alike area on batteries, so one could immediately check battery in the point-of-sale. After that measure dangerous cases ceased to appear. silpol 09:17, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

Nokia Latin America
Just a comment. Nokia is big in Latin America also. I work for Nokia. I dont see too much emphasis in Latin America. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 204.191.76.40 (talk) 01:59, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

Trolltech
What about Trolltech? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.140.117.95 (talk) 18:09, 2 February 2008 (UTC)

Malaysia
Does Nokia have production facilities in Malaysia? This edit was from someone who has been vandalising or otherwise introducing inaccurcies into articles. One or two of his edits have been perhaps correct and I don't know enough here to be confident to revert it Nil Einne (talk) 10:40, 7 February 2008 (UTC)

Go Green
"Go Green" section is very un-encyclopedic. Please rewrite. Netrat_msk (talk) 01:41, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

I removed it as it was really bad. If someone wants to rewrite it here it is:

Go Green

These days the new trend is to keep our environment clean, with recycling and re-use materials, form the flex fuel cars to electric cars. Well, Nokia has come out with their new concept phone “Remade”. The Remade is an environmentally friendly phone made entirely from recycled material. It is made from plastic bottles, upcycled aluminum cans, and the rubber keypad is made out of old car tires. The Remade is part of Nokia’s ambition towards the environmental effort.

Inside the phone are new more environmentally friendly technologies like printed electronics, the graphics that are used on the display save energy and still have a stylish look. Although the Remade is just a concept phone, this does pave the way for companies to start designing and selling these type of environmentally friendly phones.

I think that the "Remade" should be mentioned, as it has been mentioned on places like Engadget. Neilgravir (talk) 22:45, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

Nokia 5800
Is there any news of Nokia 5800 XpressMedia? 222.254.25.126 (talk) 09:49, 11 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Just rumors. Netrat_msk (talk) 10:49, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

What about nokia 888 http://www.nokia888.com/. if it's legit I think it seems novel enough to warrent a section or article of its own. Consider that almost every ipod model has it's own page. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.86.74.135 (talk) 14:13, 5 September 2008 (UTC)

Widsets
There's absolutely no mention of Widsets anywhere on the Nokia page. I think that there should be. 88.114.142.100 (talk) 17:35, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

IPA symbols
The article says the pronunciation is /'nɔkiɑ/ but there's no IPA symbol ɔ on IPA for English. Should it be /'nɔ:kiɑ/? The (Finnish?) Nokia developer in this video pronounces it know-kia - /'naʊkia/ or perhaps /'nɔːkia/. - s Y ndicate  talk 20:11, 7 December 2008 (UTC)


 * There is no /ʊ/. "No" as in "not", "ki" as in "key" but with a short i and without any hint of h, and "a". Some Finnish people, when speaking to foreigners, do pronounce it as English-speaking usually would, in order not to confuse them.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.114.254.92 (talk) 18:32, 11 February 2009 (UTC)

Nokia N85
Got the page unprotected a week or two back, glad someone has made on the article now. --PopUpPirate (talk) 13:21, 14 March 2009 (UTC)

Xenon Flash
The term Xenon Flash redirects to a page that is irrelevant. Reccomended removal of redirect. Goldhunt (talk) 07:28, 10 January 2010 (UTC)

Steep decline / first non-Finn CEO announced
http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/content/10_39/b4196007421255.htm?chan=magazine+channel_opening+remarks Ratul655 (talk) 07:23, 18 September 2010 (UTC)
 * I've reverted the sock edit, but have no opinion as to the content William M. Connolley (talk) 09:17, 18 September 2010 (UTC)

Recent history
Is recent history's slant towards recent events really an issue? I mean, that's the point of that section. --Topperfalkon (talk) 11:59, 27 September 2010 (UTC)
 * I agree. I'm going to remove the notice. If someone disagrees, they can put it back in. J I P  &#124; Talk 09:44, 23 January 2011 (UTC)

Prosody
In response to the template, I attempted to prosify the list of new product releases. I'm not sure that I like it better, or that it's any improvement at all, but if you choose to revert, note that I corrected the spelling of "introduced" along the way: only one "u." Ragityman (talk) 07:55, 16 February 2011 (UTC)

Praise paragraph in the intro
A couple of things:
 * "In recent years, Finns have consistently ranked Nokia as one of the best Finnish brands. In 2008, it was the 27th most respected brand among Finns, down from sixth place in 2007." - This doesn't make it clear what "recent years" means, which wouldn't be as important if the next sentence didn't make it sound like the exact opposite was true. From 6th to 27th in a small country sounds like a precipitous drop.
 * Concerning global market share, Android (operating system) mentions that platform surpassing Nokia's, which seemingly contradicts the notion that Nokia "dominates the worldwide mobile markets". Then again the sources listed here don't mention Android, so it could be an apples and oranges (no pun intended) since Google makes very few mobile phones. Still, shouldn't dominates at best be qualified?

It also feels like some of the stats given could be included later on in the article with a synthesis/summary in the intro, but that's more of a nitpick. The issues I mentioned seem fairly significant and I wanted to bring them up. Gonfaloniere (talk) 23:47, 6 March 2011 (UTC)

The article lacks about...
...Nokia design. We need to document about Nokia’s phone and visual design, as well as the history of Nokia Sans and Nokia Pure, the Nokia typefaces. —Fitoschido [shout] \\ 24 June, 2011 [03:57]

NFC
Do anyone has the full list of all nokia NFC devices??? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Awesomeflint (talk • contribs) 20:09, 22 August 2011 (UTC)

Block the Number
Hi. I'm using Nokia 2700 mobile. I want to know how to block a incoming call or message. Just i need to stop a particular number messages. Please tell me how. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 182.72.18.98 (talk) 19:26, 26 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Try Reference_desk/Computing - but the purpose of this site isn't product support.

Lead removal
diff "Nokia also has greater dependency on England based company duo namely Symbian Corporation for its mobile operating systems and OVI for its mobile-based application software development and distribution, which has made Nokia as highest-selling mobile-phone vendor within the past few years."

The grammar doesn't make sense, and I'm not sure it should be in the lead anyway. If necessary please fix.Imgaril (talk) 17:46, 29 September 2011 (UTC)

WSJ resource
Nokia Preps Return to U.S.; T-Mobile USA Expected to Offer New Windows-Powered Lumia Phone by WILL CONNORS, CHRISTOPHER LAWTON and SPENCER E. ANTE, excerpt ...

99.181.136.158 (talk) 00:18, 10 December 2011 (UTC)

Nokia used to make things other than phones
Computer monitors, televisions, and factory car speakers --217.39.35.230 (talk) 03:00, 23 December 2011 (UTC)

Nokia's Future
I think Nokia should revise their decision of using Windows Operating System for Nokia smart phones. They should introduce some mobiles with Android which will sell like hot cakes. People believe in Nokia's hardwares but the problem with current smart phone is that people want Android. Therefore, if Nokia launch Android phone they can achieve their lost status. Otherwise Nokia's future is dim.

I added this text a few months ago. I think I am right as Nokia is losing market day by day. There was a time when Nokia was the largest mobile manufacturer but now they are on 2nd place after Samsung. The onlt thing that can boost Nokia's market is Android.

— Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.27.249.168 (talk) 19:57, 21 March 2012 (UTC)


 * Wikipedia is not a forum for expressing subjective opinions, future projections or seeking validation for such expression or discussion of such subject matters. --80.220.87.41 (talk) 17:51, 17 June 2012 (UTC)

Spam in infobox
There seems to be some spam in the infobox. It would be great if someone who knows the right information could fix it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.252.150.15 (talk) 18:53, 10 June 2012 (UTC)

surveillance in bahrain
There following paragraph has been deleted with the edit summary "undue". I think it is interesting and relevant. I do not see why Wikipedia should just be a pile of irrelevant and boring facts. Let's also have some interesting information! Having said this, I do agree that this can be improved a lot, should be shortend, fact-checked (!) and moved. But it clearly should not simply be deleted. Especially not just because somebody thinks it is "undue". Martin.uecker (talk) 03:34, 28 June 2012 (UTC)

On 22 August 2011 Nokia Siemens became embroiled in a scandal related to the use and abuse of surveillance systems delivered to the Bahrain government by one of its former business units, Nokia Siemens Intelligence Solutions (NSIS). The spy gear in Bahrain was sold by Siemens AG (SIE), and maintained by Nokia Siemens Networks and NSN's divested unit, Trovicor GmbH. The sale and maintenance contracts were also confirmed by Ben Roome, a Nokia Siemens spokesman based in Farnborough, England. The system was reportedly used as the investigative tool of choice to gather information about political dissidents—and silence them. Companies such as Nokia and Nokia Siemens are free to sell such equipment almost anywhere. For the most part, the U.S. and European countries lack export controls to deter the use of such systems for repression, as was the case in Bahrain were at least 30 people were killed during the 2011 uprising. Many Western nations actively support the export of these systems of repression, e.g. to countries that are home to some of the U.S. Navy's Fleet. Monitoring centers, as the systems are called, are sold around the world by Nokia Siemens and its competitors, such as Israel-based Nice Systems Ltd. (NICE), and Verint Systems Inc. (VRNT), headquartered in Melville, New York. They form the heart of so-called lawful interception surveillance systems. By the end of 2007, the Nokia Siemens Intelligence Solutions unit had more than 90 systems installed in 60 countries.[127] Besides Bahrain, several other Middle Eastern nations that cracked down on uprisings this year—including Egypt, Syria and Yemen—also purchased monitoring centers from the chain of businesses now known as Trovicor. Trovicor equipment plays a surveillance role in at least 12 Middle Eastern and North African nations. Trovicor's precursor, which started in 1993 as the voice- and data-recording unit of Siemens, in 2007 became part of Nokia Siemens Networks, the world's second biggest maker of wireless communications equipment. NSN, a 50-50 joint venture with Espoo, Finland-based Nokia Oyj (NOK1V), sold the unit, known as Intelligence Solutions, in March 2009. The new owners, Guernsey-based Perusa Partners Fund 1 LP, renamed the business Trovicor, coined from the Latin and Esperanto words for find and heart, according to the company's website. According to NSN the elevated risk of human rights abuses was a major reason for NSN's exiting the monitoring-center business. In Bahrain, officials routinely used the NSIS surveillance systems as a basis for the arrest and torture of political opponents; legally the monitoring technology is to be only used by order of legal authorities such as judges and prosecutors. According to local regulations, every Bahraini phone and Internet operator must provide the state with the ability to monitor communications. Phone companies also must track the location of phones within a 164-foot (50-meter) radius, the rules say. NSN and Trovicor's status as exclusive provider in Bahrain continued at least through 2009. That period of more than two years coincides with the dates of text messages used to interrogate scores of political detainees. Authorities used messages that dated as far back as the mid-2000s, even in recent interrogations.[128]


 * This discussion belongs on the Nokia Siemens Networks talk page. There is simply no way that this content belongs in this article.Rangoon11 (talk) 14:37, 28 June 2012 (UTC)

reasons for Nokia's downfall
While the story told in the press is that the iPhone came and then Nokia was doomed, this is only partially true. While Nokia lost smartphone market share after iPhone and then Android phones came they were still clearly market leader and the smart devices unit was making a profit until the beginning of 2011. (BTW: it is mathematically impossible not to loose market share if you have basically 100% of the market share and others players enter the market - even if you are growing faster in absolute numbers). Only after Symbian was deprecated (and all Meego products cancelled with the exception of the N9 which was not sold in larger markets), smartphone sales collapsed and the smart devices unit went loss-making. At the end of 2011 the first Lumia smartphones were introduced, but up to now (Mai 2013) they never sold in any meaningful number when compared to former sales of Symbian smartphones (which was not too surprising since Windows Mobile/Phone never sold well before). Smartphone sales in absolute numbers are shown here: http://www.asymco.com/2013/04/18/lumia-is-the-light-visible/ (and can also be found in Nokia's reports). Also, it is often claimed that the profit Nokia made in Q4 2012 was due to the Lumia line, but this is clearly not true (as indicated by a negative contribution margin for smart devices in the quartely reports). I document this here, because these facts are often misrepresented in secondary sources and will likely be disputed. The numbers speak a clear language and can be found in Nokia's quarely reports. http://www.nokia.com/global/about-nokia/investors/financials/reports/results---reports/ Martin.uecker (talk) 04:22, 31 May 2013 (UTC)

"Is a Finnish company"?
Citation needed. --89.210.239.207 (talk) 12:40, 3 September 2013 (UTC)


 * Headquarters are in Finland, and it was founded in Finland. So what's the problem? --Stryn (talk) 14:15, 3 September 2013 (UTC)

RFC: Microsoft already acquired Nokia, why future tense ?
Currently, it seems that Microsoft had already acquired Nokia, as declared in news, social websites and even an user Drew also says that. But two days ago, I edited both articles i.e Nokia and Stephen Elop (mainly those sentences of acquisition), and made the sentences from future tense to past tense along with correcting grammatical errors. What I found that, my edits were reverted back.

Why ? Himanis Das talk  11:50, 6 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Firstly, the acquisition was announced, but it yet to be completed; it's under way. Secondly, Microsoft have only acquired Nokia's mobile sector, not the entire company. Finally, there are grammatical errors in the content you added, thereby requiring reversion. By the way, this isn't really an RfC topic, so you may want to remove the tag. drewmunn talk 12:40, 6 September 2013 (UTC)


 * I agree, this is based on wrong information. According to the New York times Microsoft intends to purchase Nokia's devices and services business.  They are leasing the Nokia name for handsets only to Microsoft for 10 years.  http://www.nytimes.com/2013/09/04/technology/microsoft-acquires-nokia-units-and-leader.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0.  Elmmapleoakpine (talk) 00:05, 7 September 2013 (UTC)


 * Your edit got reverted so now you're asking for dozens of outside editors to tell you why? Please remove the RfC tag now.  Next time, just ask the user that reverted you.  Chris Troutman  ( talk ) 01:16, 16 September 2013 (UTC)

I'm here at the request of an RfC; how may I help? Basket Feudalist 12:33, 16 September 2013 (UTC)


 * I got the RfC myself and came here. I have to agree with drewmunn, Elmmapleoakpine and especially Chris Troutman . Before placing an RfC, try contacting who reverted your content and asking why. I've had my contributions reverted in the past, a question and response later, I learned why and together we contributed superior and accurate content or at least attained consensus for what the content should be. Jumping to an RfC without discussion with the editor who reverted your contribution and no attempt at achieving consensus is rude, inconsiderate and abusive of the RfC process. I'd suggest you withdraw your RfC and discuss the matter here in the article talk page first, achieve consensus for any change and proceed from there. For major changes, you can sandbox proposed changes and request editors on the article talk page to review the sandbox content and arrive at consensus that way. I am giving you the benefit of the doubt and am assuming good faith, but either ignorance of procedures on Wikipedia regarding contested edits or simply an error in requesting the RfC. Good luck in the future and happy (and accurate, cited) editing!Wzrd1 (talk) 00:37, 27 September 2013 (UTC)

History section requires review
I have commenced a revision of the History section, as the grammar was poor, the tone was promotional, information was repeated, and a questionable citation was used. I understand that it may be difficult to garner reputable sources for this section, so we may have to pare it down? I will continue to look at the entire section, as I only revised one sub-section, but it would be great if any copyeditors with expertise can contribute.--Soulparadox (talk) 03:18, 20 December 2013 (UTC)

Post-Microsoft acquisition
What will happen to the Nokia page after Microsoft takes its (Nokia's) largest division? this page seems to be all about mobile, and after Microsoft has taken that part of the company, over 80% of the page will not be relevant with the company anymore, will it be moved to the history section? personally I'd suggest a model more akin to I.B.M. (International Business Machines) where all the previous industries have an epitome in the history section, and a more detailed page in the actual history page of the company, while the rest of the page concentrates more on what's actually still in the company. Another possible model is that of Motorola, though that is completely different, and happened under different circumstances, also how will the pages relevant to the sold off divisions look after the deal, most will need to be updated to match it. Another model would be splitting the page into a mobile division (incl. history) and one for the company, though that would be a bad idea as there is no page for Nokia's mobile division other than this one, so I want to suggest to follow the I.B.M. model. --86.81.201.94 (talk) 10:34, 16 April 2014 (UTC)


 * I've made an account for the Microsoft subsidiary that will hold Nokia at Microsoft Mobile Oy. All new "Nokia" mobile developments post-acquisition will go there. I think that it's a good idea to keep the key points of Nokia's smartphone history in this article but focus on NSN, HERE and Nokia Research.  The mobile phone history text from this article could be a separate article, possibly "History of Nokia mobile phones". --RaviC (talk) 07:42, 17 April 2014 (UTC)


 * Exactly, thank you, that's what I've been suggesting, I just read about Microsoft Mobile Oy on other websites and saw the page here on Wikipedia, though for some reason someone vandalised the employee number, but that aside thank you. --86.81.201.94 (talk) 10:29, 17 April 2014 (UTC)
 * Thanks for fixing that up. I actually took the stats directly from List_of_mergers_and_acquisitions_by_Microsoft; I didn't notice how wrong they actually were however. --RaviC (talk) 22:24, 17 April 2014 (UTC)
 * Since pre-Microsoft acquisition information will stay on the Nokia page, I will shorten the irrelevant information on the Microsoft Mobile page. --G&#38;CP (talk) 20:11, 22 April 2014 (UTC)

Last Nokia article with D&S operations included
As this article is being restructured, here's a permanent link to the last revision which contained all of the D&S information: 

--RaviC (talk) 07:29, 29 April 2014 (UTC)

Color of Nokia N9 is fake?
To my knowledge, there was no N9 with that color ( http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/c7/Nokia_N9.jpg/220px-Nokia_N9.jpg ) The awailable colors were Cyan, Magenta, Black and White. I think the picture should be changed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 195.90.110.125 (talk) 08:51, 29 April 2014 (UTC)


 * Nope, is an official colour: http://www.electricpig.co.uk/2011/06/28/nokia-n9-preview/ --RaviC (talk) 10:09, 2 May 2014 (UTC)

This article is heavily outdated
I suggest that we'll move all current and recent phone content to the Microsoft Mobile page, and update the employee number and the list of staff (Elop doesn't work for Nokia anymore, he's under Microsoft now), under divisions many units are placed that are no longer a part of Nokia but sold to Microsoft, can someone please revise most of the page? --87.208.17.6 (talk) 09:46, 29 April 2014 (UTC)

WP:SPLIT Nokia § History -> History of Nokia
I suggest a potential split of all non relevant content such as various mobile telephone-related sections into a history of Nokia article modelled after the present History of Microsoft and History of Apple Inc. articles, the level of details into the mobile telephone related business is redundant to the present company and should only be explained as an epitome, while more detailed information of Nokia S40, Symbian, MeeGo, Windows Phone, Etc. can go into the history article. Sincerely, --86.81.201.94 (talk) 11:23, 9 June 2015 (UTC)

External links modified
Hello fellow Wikipedians,

I have just added archive links to 5 one external links on Nokia. Please take a moment to review my edit. If necessary, add after the link to keep me from modifying it. Alternatively, you can add to keep me off the page altogether. I made the following changes:
 * Added archive https://web.archive.org/20090208110105/http://www.nokia.com:80/about-nokia/company/faq to http://www.nokia.com/about-nokia/company/faq
 * Added archive https://web.archive.org/20071024180817/http://www.etla.fi/files/940_FES_01_1_nokia.pdf to http://www.etla.fi/files/940_FES_01_1_nokia.pdf
 * Added archive https://web.archive.org/20120425073135/http://www.etla.fi/files/2585_nokia_kirja_8_v2_kansineen.pdf to http://www.etla.fi/files/2585_nokia_kirja_8_v2_kansineen.pdf
 * Added archive https://web.archive.org/20070718225357/http://www.nokiasiemensnetworks.com/NR/rdonlyres/79BA3656-FD19-453F-984C-199A3B8AC79F/0/Factsheet_21March.pdf to http://www.nokiasiemensnetworks.com/NR/rdonlyres/79BA3656-FD19-453F-984C-199A3B8AC79F/0/Factsheet_21March.pdf
 * Added archive https://web.archive.org/20090625174434/http://www.nokiasiemensnetworks.com:80/global/Press/Press+releases/news-archive/Provision+of+Lawful+Intercept+capability+in+Iran.htm to http://www.nokiasiemensnetworks.com/global/Press/Press+releases/news-archive/Provision+of+Lawful+Intercept+capability+in+Iran.htm

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List/link to list of Nokia Phones
As Nokia mostly is known for their phones, one would expect this article about Nokia to at least have a link to a list/article about Nokia phones. Ragnar Ekre (talk) 01:57, 11 December 2017 (UTC)

An insane bubble
At its peak in 2000, Nokia alone accounted for 4% of the country's GDP, 21% of total exports and 70% of the Helsinki Stock Exchange market capital.

Quoted with no context at all. Sad. &mdash; MaxEnt 22:22, 11 December 2017 (UTC)