Talk:Non-stop flight/Archive 1

Is Singapore-Newark the longest flight?
USA Today notes a record 22hr 43min flight from LHR to HKG. According to the article, this flight holds the Guinness world record in 2005 for the longest non-stop commercial flight. Since the flight from Newark-Singapore is only 18:40, and the LHR-HKG flight is four hours longer and holds the world record, should it not hold the title of longest non-stop commercial flight? Dunnce 05:04, 28 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Longest Commercial Flight
 * the point is that the LHR-HKG flight was empty, and also it is not a regularly scheduled commercial flight (and doesn't carry any passengers either), unlike SQ21 (EWR-SIN).Lh.779 05:15, 1 July 2007 (UTC)

LHR-HKG is a regularly scheduled, passenger rich route flown by many airlines....however, it is significantly shorter than EWR-SIN (5994 miles vs. 9535 miles). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.38.76.162 (talk) 18:23, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
 * This is because the regularly scheduled HKG-LHR flight goes logically westwards from Hong Kong towards London while the record-breaking "non-stop commercial flight" is actually a one-off publicity stunt whereby the plane actually flies eastwards towards London. Not exactly an economically feasible route in today's context!--Huaiwei (talk) 18:21, 7 July 2008 (UTC

Airlines
Are their specific airlines that we should list? If there would be not, I am sure this list would be very long. pikdig (talk) 07:42, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

New Direct Flights By Emirates
Emirates has recently added direct flights from Melbourne and Brisbane to Dubai. - do these fit in the list? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.208.81.233 (talk) 11:14, 17 July 2009 (UTC)

El Al Tel Aviv-Sao Paulo
In may 2009 El Al airlines fly to Sao Paulo, the Scheduled duration is 15:05 hours, the flight number is LY009, the aircaft type is B777-200ER, the first flight was at May 2nd, 2009 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.111.127.181 (talk) 16:20, 20 July 2009 (UTC)

SIN-LAX (SQ38)/SIN-EWR-SIN (SQ21/22)/UA895(ORD-HKG)
if you checked the Singapore airlines/star alliance timetables, SQ38 is only 15h30min. also, is there any proof that SQ21/22 goes by the polar/great circle routes? UA895 is a 15h42min 747-400 service, if you had bothered to check the United Airlines/ Star Alliance timetables. And can someone stop messsing with the times?Blahx100 06:05, 1 January 2007 (UTC)

I flew SQ 21 and 22 personally, twice each way. The EWR-SIN route is 70NM from the Geographic North Pole; then down over Russia, China, past Hong Kong and the coast of Viet-Nam, and into SIN. The SIN-EWR flight goes northeast past the Asian coast, over Alaska and northern Canada; then down over Hudson Bay and NY State into EWR. DonPevsner (talk) 13:35, 23 May 2009 (UTC)

the comment about the asymmetric Flight paths is very confusing.Firstly it uses "routing" in place of flght path which is normally a term of art in air travel referring to connections made on a multi-segment flght. But that's not m main complaint. The main problem is it uses the example of EWR-SIN and implies one direction is flown on a polar route and the other direction a great circle route. The polar route *is* the great circle route. The other path is taken to take advantage of the winds and flys a non-great-circle so it's further but faster. 218.186.13.248 (talk) 21:37, 4 September 2009 (UTC)

China Airlines TPE-LAX
China Airlines flies TPE-LAX 2x/day with a 747-400. The great circle distance is 6799 mi, versus 6091 for TPE-LHR. So I will change the longest flight for them back to TPE-LAX. Ngchen (talk) 18:15, 30 July 2010 (UTC)

Great Circle
Currently the article says: Due to great distances flown, these flights operate a great circle routes,

This could mislead the reader. Great circle routes are the shortest routes between any two points on a sphere regardless of whether they are far apart or close. Think about rewording this.15:46, 20 March 2010 (UTC)

The progress maps now shown on any overseas flight clearly show that they do not follow great circle routes. A flight from Chicago to Beijing does not follow the same route as a flight the other way from Beijing to Chicago. I suppose the main reason is the jet stream, but I came to this article hoping to learn more. The article "great circle" oddly claims that flights from the US to China follow great circles, but from China to the US follow different routes adapted to the jet stream. Surely they have to adapt to the jet stream in both directions. I would like to learn about this from someone who understands the matter. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.88.201.216 (talk) 00:27, 27 August 2010 (UTC)

Added the 28th, who'll add the 29 and 30th?

 * ) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.187.97.218 (talk) 21:56, 20 October 2010 (UTC)
 * You added the 31st, 30 are enough. Slasher-fun (talk) 14:03, 21 October 2010 (UTC)

What's the fucking logic of putting 4 flights with same lenght??!! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.187.97.218 (talk) 19:59, 21 October 2010 (UTC)

Longest Flight table
South African Airways is NOT non-stop from Washington IAD anymore; it makes a stop in Dakar as per: http://www.en.btbtravel.com/s/Editorial-Airlines-And-Airports.asp?ReportID=332557&_Title=South-African-Airways-New-Non-Stop-New-YorkJFK-To-South-Africa

Suggest we keep this table up todate with current/future info rather than retired info. For example Thai airways has discontinued its JFK-Bangkok flights so I don't see a point unless someone is interested in historical info more over it makes the table look clumsy. If it has to be, we could separately maintain a table for discontinued non-stop flights.--Smet (talk) 09:45, 7 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Indeed there will be interest in ultra long flights, especially if they were amongst the top ten longest and were discontinued only recently. Wikipedia is not merely a source for current content. It is a encyclopedia, and an encyclopedia includes historical content. I have since restored the said information, which do not render the table "clumsy" in a significant way.--Huaiwei (talk) 10:16, 7 July 2008 (UTC)
 * My point here is, mixing historical info and real-time info is not a recommended wiki practice. As I suggested, you move your "highlighted greyed info" to a different 'discontinued flights table' to maintain clarity, context and purpose of the article defined in the first para. A flight that is discontinued means "history" and it is not a good practice to mix history and realtime info. Also note that there are many discontinued ultra long haul flights and more may come in future too, and if people keep adding stuffs there, it will look more clumpier. If you still dont agree with me, we may bring an admin attention to resolve this. --Smet (talk) 08:56, 9 July 2008 (UTC)
 * "Mixing historical info and real-time info is not a recommended wiki practice" Are you able cite any wikipedia policy or guideline which supports this view, and to list them here please?--Huaiwei (talk) 17:02, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

Huawei, are you damn stupid or what? The guy is telling you truth, you have no brain or what? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.187.97.218 (talk) 20:04, 21 October 2010 (UTC)

Third opinion
I'd say keep it. They're darkened right now, and have a footnote saying that they're discontinued. I would recommend, however, replacing the footnotes with "discontinued mm-yyyy" small or italicized in the start date box, since it would be more visible. As Huaiwei also said, I don't know of any policy hat says what Smet is saying; if you believe a policy or guideline is of concern you need to say what guideline you're referring to. JeremyMcCracken (talk) (contribs) 01:54, 10 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks JeremyMcCracken, will keep it as per the 3O --Smet (talk) 16:40, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

There certainly looks like a "DISCONTINUED" section is already there. This is where flights that are no longer operated should go. DonPevsner (talk) 13:40, 23 May 2009 (UTC)

About the paragraph 'future of ultra long-haul'
This sounds a bit theoretical. It is not motivated that there would be plans/needs to fly longer and longer routes non-stop. Also most of the city pairs listed sound very unprobable to get non-stop connections. Also the mentioning of Kangaroo route under this paragraph: it is not non-stop, so why speculate? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.152.99.79 (talk) 09:17, 18 April 2010 (UTC)

I think the idea is that a nonstop flight from London to Sydney, for example, would be faster for passengers than stopping at one or more airports along the way. Or maybe I'm misunderstanding your point. KBurchfiel (talk) 04:49, 4 January 2011 (UTC)

Shortest flight time for PUW->LWS wrong
I've been on the PUW->LWS flight. IIRC it's about 7 min. On the other hand the Alaska-air webpage does list it as 25 minutes but I'd bet that's takeoff-to-takeoff not takeoff-to-landing. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.239.45.4 (talk) 22:00, 13 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Published times are scheduled block time, i.e. from gate to gate. That's the only information we list here as this is the only "fixed" flight time (real block time change on each flight). Slasher-fun (talk) 22:31, 13 January 2011 (UTC)

Qantas Dallas-Ft.Worth to Sydney and Brisbane service

 * Qantas to Launch Services from Dallas/Fort Worth to Sydney

At 8580 miles for DFW-SYD and 8300 for DFW-BNE, that will make these flights the third and sixth longest scheduled flights by distance respectively. --Oakshade (talk) 04:27, 15 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Yup, I've already added them (see last changes). Slasher-fun (talk) 09:59, 15 January 2011 (UTC)

DL281 ATL-NRT KE36 ATL-ICN
These flights should be in the "Currently scheduled" list. DL281 Distance:6854mi Duration:14:35///KE36 Distance:7135mi Duration:15:05 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 114.144.140.152 (talk) 15:12, 13 February 2011 (UTC)
 * DL 201 JNB-ATL is 1600mi longer than DL 281, KE 36 is already in the list. Slasher-fun (talk) 16:11, 13 February 2011 (UTC)

Singapore Airlines SQ 25
I'm not sure it's a non-stop flight but it is scheduled as such. Flight SQ 25, JFK-SIN, duration 20h 50m. Aircraft 744. I'm not sure the Jumbo is capable of that. Could someone clarify please? Leo (talk) 13:04, 10 March 2011 (UTC)
 * SQ25 flies JFK-FRA-SIN. Slasher-fun (talk) 15:39, 10 March 2011 (UTC)

DL 229 ATL-PVG
I went ahead and added DL ATL-PVG back to the list as the that route was resumed on 5 June but I don't know if the distance and flight time remains the same. If anyone know the new distance and flight time. Please make the corrections. Thanks! Snoozlepet (talk) 19:32, 8 June 2011 (UTC)

The opposite
What is the opposite of a non-stop flight? I don't see "stop flight" or "indirect flight" in the aviation terminology category. I think this would be a useful word for this article.Wakablogger2 (talk) 05:59, 18 September 2009 (UTC)


 * Evidently the word is "connecting flight". Wakablogger2 (talk) 06:02, 18 September 2009 (UTC)


 * No, a connecting flight is where you (usually) change to a different flight at a hub.  The opposite of a "non-stop flight",  where the aircraft stops en route to refuel or get more passengers and then continues is a "direct flight".Eregli bob (talk) 03:15, 3 November 2011 (UTC)

First flight date - is it of route or for airline?
South African Airways were first to fly Atlanta Johannesburg route presumably shortly after September 1999. They stopped flying it but Delta now does so. 

Should the table list Delta as currently flying the route but have 1999 as the first date for that route? Or should it be the date that Delta first flew the route with the SAA flight listed in the discontinued routes? crandles (talk) 11:32, 31 October 2009 (UTC)

The latter, surelyPaulalexdij (talk) 17:26, 5 May 2012 (UTC)

Johannesburg-Honolulu
What about the flight SAA once had from Johannesburg to Honolulu? 10300NM! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Rb26dett (talk • contribs) 05:59, 1 March 2010 (UTC)
 * I hardly see which aircraft in their fleet could have done that non-stop, and can't find a source for that... Would you have one? Slasher-fun (talk) 12:22, 1 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Auckland to Gibraltar. 10,700NM! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.24.244.124 (talk) 09:43, 13 May 2010 (UTC)

In the early to mid sixties SAA flew JNB-RIO-Caracas-Mexico-LAX for a while, but they have never flown to Hawaii.Paulalexdij (talk) 17:31, 5 May 2012 (UTC)

Shortest flight by airline
Looking at Delta Airlines shortest flight, it appears to be operated by a regional carrier, not Delta. I don't think it is appropriate to have contract flights listed as an airlines shortest. Kz1123 (talk)
 * Agree, that's what I did with Air France operated by Regional shortest flight: listed as Regional flight. Slasher-fun (talk) 20:31, 21 September 2011 (UTC)

Paulalexdij (talk) 17:47, 5 May 2012 (UTC)== Missing 2 flights/Need for listing flights twice for two airlines ==

Since the end of the Atlanta-Shanghai flight,the longest flights chart is missing two entries (#29&30.) Does anyone know what these two are? Also, is it really necessary to list flights operated by different flights as separate entries? They simply waste space and restrict the presence of additional flights. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dillono (talk • contribs) 07:13, 19 January 2012 (UTC) If they are diffrent airlines, they are diffrent flights, but they share the same ranking so there is still space available ... Paulalexdij (talk) 17:47, 5 May 2012 (UTC)

Iberia Fligth Almeria LEI(Europe) to Melilla MLN(Africa)0h 25min, the most short intercontinetal flight comercial. Almeria and Melilla some spanish cities.

Adding new entries
I would like to see longest flights for a few more aircraft types. I could add some, but I have no way of knowing if these flights are actually the longest. Should I just add the longest flight I know, and assume that if there is a longer one, someone else will eventually update? Should I mark my entries somehow to indicate that they are not necessarily optimal? 96.249.57.97 (talk) 14:01, 22 May 2012 (UTC)

UA370
Someone recently deleted my addition of UA 370 to the shortest flight. It is operated by United with a 777, the route is ORD-OGG-KOA-ORD. The OGG-KOA segment is 85 miles. I readded it and hope nobody reverts it. Kz1123 (talk) 08:37, 21 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Do you have any reference? I can't find any source that would say this flight stops in KOA. Slasher-fun (talk) 11:15, 21 August 2011 (UTC)

United timetable (http://www.uatimetable.com/United.pdf?linkTitle=Worldwide+timetable+PDF page 184, almost bottom of last column), I was 30 seconds away from booking it (as UA3), and at ORD they have a sign that says "<- Honolulu Kahului & Kona ->". Do you really think I would make it up for no reason? Kz1123 (talk) 19:34, 21 August 2011 (UTC)
 * OK, it's a weekly seasonal flight with changes in flight numbers, that's why I didn't find it without your help. Thank you :) Slasher-fun (talk) 11:58, 22 August 2011 (UTC)

UA370 is 10 miles longer than UA4284, though that's ExpressJet. But I don't see ExpressJet listed. The aircraft is an Embraer RJ135. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.54.51.198 (talk) 16:13, 5 June 2012 (UTC)
 * DEN-COS is just 73 miles, operated mainly by CR7s, but it is not United that operates it, just like all other flights > UA1600, thus it shouldn't be included under United Kz1123 (talk)

There's also a Colgan Air flight operating the same route for United, on a Saab 340 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.54.51.198 (talk) 16:19, 5 June 2012 (UTC)

Intro Para, qualification criteria
Since this article has become an established reference, I think we can establish a qualifying criteria for classification of long haul and ultra long haul flights. --Smet (talk) 21:56, 25 July 2012 (UTC)

Correcting / Updating Flight Duration Times
I have noticed that several of the long-haul flight times for some of the "shorter" long-haul routes have longer times. I can see how this happens within reason. But, if I find the flight time to be less, I would like to just change it, and quote a source like http://www.flightstats.com with the data they list for each flight under "Flight Information". Would the flightstats site be an acceptable reference for flight duration times? --Truth4Sale (talk) 23:38, 6 September 2012 (UTC)

DTW-HKG
The flight between Detroit and Hong Kong has been discontinued. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 142.105.152.109 (talk) 03:58, 9 September 2012 (UTC)

SYD-LAX
DEL-ORD is currently listed as #29 at 7,483 miles. However, SYD-LAX (QF/UA/VA/DL) is longer at 7,488 miles.  70.162.131.174 (talk) 14:09, 16 November 2012 (UTC) --Playerstroke (talk) 03:11, 29 November 2012 (UTC)Just fixed the table to include LAX-SYD.

Requested move

 * The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section. 

The result of the move request was: Not moved. There is no consensus about this. The dictionary survey offered by User:Some standardized rigour gives only a 6/4 split against usage of the hyphen. The hyphen is still putting up a fight. Try this proposal again in two years and perhaps it will attract more support. User:Dicklyon cited Ngram data, but SSR says that at least in British books, the Ngram data still favors the hyphen. EdJohnston (talk) 16:40, 27 April 2013 (UTC)

Non-stop flight → Nonstop flight – The prefix non does not typically need a hyphen. The phrase "nonstop flight" is much more common in books than "non-stop flight", according to google n-grams. The hyphen is distracting here, serving no real purpose. Though hyphens with "non" are somewhat more common in British English, this one is about 50/50, and even The Economist says not to. relisted Tiggerjay (talk) 23:58, 19 April 2013 (UTC) Dicklyon (talk) 16:13, 3 April 2013 (UTC)

http://www.une.edu.au/tlc/aso/students/factsheets/hyphens.pdf AnimatedZebra (talk) 16:36, 3 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Support - Hyphens seem to be dying more and more these days, so I agree with the move. If it makes any difference, I write it as ONE word anyhow but if anyone's interested, here's a link to a small PDF I found which might be useful...
 * Support per nom. The hyphen does no harm but is also unnecessary for comprehension. --BDD (talk) 18:03, 3 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Oppose on basis of WP:ENGVAR. The Cambridge, MacMillan, and Oxford dictionaries employ the hyphen.-Labattblueboy (talk).
 * neutral- I don't think that national varieties of English are relevant to this instance.  I do think that more established words with the 'non' prefix tend to loose the hyphen and that the main purpose of the hyphen is to reduce confusion from ambiguity, ambiguity that doesn't really exist here. I think that it is a rather cosmetic change, with little to be gained or lost, except the hyphen. When I saw there was a requested move for this page I expected it to be a move to a name like List of non-stop flights. I would support such a move because it would free up the title for an actual article on the subject. The current article is really no more than a list of records with much of the history and meaning from a commercial aviation perspective ignored or hidden beneath mounds of mostly unsourced information rendered in lists that is centered on the current times and the west.  I think this article has bigger issues than the hyphen in the title.Synchronism (talk) 02:04, 5 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Oppose per WP:HYPHEN/WP:RETAIN. Where usage varies, WP:HYPHEN allows either the hyphenated or unhyphenated form. The nominator provides a ratio of "about 50/50" for the two versions in British English, yet the Google Ngram Viewer has the ratio of non-stop to nonstop at 2:1 for British books in recent years.
 * Here's the preferences of some major English-language dictionaries ("Consult a good dictionary"):
 * American Heritage (US): nonstop
 * Cambridge Advanced Learner's (UK): non-stop
 * Canadian Oxford (Canada): non-stop
 * Chambers 21st Century (UK): non-stop
 * Collins (UK): nonstop
 * Macquarie (Australia): nonstop
 * Merriam-Webster's Collegiate (US): nonstop
 * New Oxford American (US): nonstop
 * Oxford Dictionary of English (UK): non-stop
 * Random House (US): nonstop
 * Evidently, either form is acceptable for this article. Consistency within the article is more important than the choice itself. SSR (talk) 07:01, 6 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Oppose - given that there is about a 50/50 split, and both are commonly used, there would need to be a specific reason to justify the change, and there doesn't seem to be one. As such lets retain the current variation. Tiggerjay (talk) 06:56, 15 April 2013 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page or in a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

UA202
To whomever keeps removing UA202 as United's shortest flight, please stop. UA202 flies OGG-KOA, blocked in at 40 minutes, go check the timetables. Kz1123 (talk) 05:57, 5 May 2013 (UTC)

New Longest Flight for 787
Ethiopian Airlines stopped 787 service on its longest route. Does anyone know of a replacement 787 route? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Playerstroke (talk • contribs) 03:12, 20 June 2013 (UTC)

Question on Manila to Toronto
Is it fair to include Manila to Toronto in the longest flight table if there is no non-stop return flight from Toronto to Manila? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Playerstroke (talk • contribs) 02:39, 30 November 2012 (UTC)

Yes, due to Sydney-Dallas/Ft Worth on Qantas being listed (the return stops in Brisbane, and Dallas/Ft Worth-Brisbane is also listed) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.32.138.125 (talk) 01:22, 22 June 2013 (UTC)

New Garuda Indonesia flight in 2014...
I have the source,. That, Garuda Indonesia will have non-stop flight from Jakarta to Los Angeles in 2014, with distance 14,685 km with Boeing 777-300ER... Would, in 2014, you must add that stated above, and get source what flight number is, too. Roif456 (talk) 00:18, 27 June 2013 (UTC)

Olympic Airlines Flights
Olympic Airlines used to have flights from Athens Hellinikon (ATH/LGAT) closed airport and from Athens International Airport "Eleftherios Venizelos" (ATH/LGAV) to Sydney Airport (SYD/YSSY) and to Melbourne Airport (MEL/YMML). The flight distances were 15,320km for Sydney 14,925km for Melbourne, making them the second and the third longest discontinued flights. The flights were operated with B747-200s and later with A340-300s.

Also, Olympic Airlines used to have a flight from Kozani Airport (KZI/LGKZ) to Kastoria Airport (KSO/LGKA). The distance between this two airports is 50km and the flight is one of the shortest fligts worldwide. What is interesting with this route is that there is only a flight from Kozani to Kastoria and not a flight from Kastoria to Kozani. This happens because the plane goes from athens to kozani, then from kozani to kastoria and then from kastoria to athens (ATH-KZI-KSO-ATH). I have used this flight back in 2006 and it took the ATR-42 about ten minutes. In 1976 an Olympic Airlines YS-11A crashed on the final approach to Kozani due to bad weather conditions and everybody on board died. The route is currently served by Sky Express Airlines with a British Aerospace Jetstream 41. Orparask (talk) 00:48, 27 June 2013 (UTC)

Longest 777-200 Flight
UA875 is operated almost exclusively by a 777-200ER, while the longer ORD-GRU is often operated by a non-ER 777-200. Kris1123 (talk) 10:02, 18 July 2013 (UTC)

Lack of sources
I've tagged the article as needing more sources using. There are sections that are almost entirely unreferenced.--Jetstreamer $Talk$ 20:31, 29 July 2013 (UTC)

Singapore Airlines Is Terminating the two longest flights in the world.
Singapore Airlines just announced it will discontinue the Non-Stop flights between Singapore to Newark and Los Angeles. Singapore Airlines to end world’s longest flights as it upgrades fleet with new Airbus order Citation is needed to confirm that it they have been discontinued already or are phasing it out. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Playerstroke (talk • contribs) 04:20, 26 October 2012 (UTC)

Confirm:. The Fly will be canceld next month (Nov. 2013) see: http://edition.cnn.com/2013/10/19/travel/worlds-longest-flight/index.html — Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.178.168.108 (talk) 16:26, 21 October 2013 (UTC)

Focke-Wulf Fw 200
This aircraft doesn't seem to have the range to fly from Berlin to New-York non-stop. I am obviously missing something - can anyone help me out? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.47.179.58 (talk) 22:30, 15 December 2009 (UTC)

For all we know they snuck a stop in somewhere, but when they arrived in NY (at Floyd Bennett) they claimed to have flown the trip nonstop. Tim Zukas (talk) 19:05, 18 August 2010 (UTC)


 * Yeah, it had secret floats, which enabled it to land on water, which is predominant enroute. *rolleyes* 46.114.19.76 (talk) 05:00, 20 March 2014 (UTC)

LHR-SIN is longer than LHR-MNL, but it is not listed in Top 30
Why isn't Singapore Airlines flight 317 from LHR to SIN in the Top 30? The Great Circle Mapper shows that route to be longer than LHR to MNL which is listed at number 6!

Jayintheusa (talk) 05:50, 27 March 2014 (UTC)


 * It was vandalism. I removed that flight. LHR-MNL is only 10781 km long, not even close to being in the top 30. It's not even PR's longest flight. That is Manila to Los Angeles at 11,756 km, which is still not in the top 30.
 * Thenoflyzone (talk) 11:30, 27 March 2014 (UTC)

EWR-HKG - CX now flies this route
I am not an approved editor of this section, however, Cathay just started daily flights from Newark to Hong Kong on a two-class 777-300er. I thought someone might want to add this. United already flies this route, but the page says to list each airline flying the same route separately. Source: http://www.nj.com/business/index.ssf/2014/03/cathay_pacific_to_debut_newark_liberty_flight_to_hong_kong.html http://www.cathaypacific.com/cx/en_US/about-us/press-room/press-release/2013/cathay-pacific-celebrates-newark-route-launch-with-fare-sale.html — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.17.191.154 (talk) 21:26, 12 March 2014 (UTC)


 * Done. I had already added the flight, i was just waiting for the date to arrive to reveal it. If you click "edit", you will notice that i added a whole bunch of hidden flights that will be in the top 30 in 2014, but are currently not operated.
 * Thenoflyzone (talk) 11:35, 27 March 2014 (UTC)

DOH-DFW add to list?
The flight doesn't begin til July 1, 2014 but when should it be added to the list before or in July. I checked Great Circle Mapper and it looks like the distance on the flight is 12764 km (7931 mi), making it 12th on the list. Plus it looks like the flight time is around 16ish hours. Thanks! Baseball  Watcher  01:07, 5 December 2013 (UTC)
 * CORRECTION According to Qatar Airways website the flight duration from DFW-DOH is 14:45 and the flight back (DOH-DFW) is 16:05 hrs. Baseball   Watcher  01:29, 5 December 2013 (UTC)
 * I already added the flight, albeit hidden from view until July 1, 2014, which is when they will start operating that flight. Until then, it stays hidden. I also added a whole bunch of new flights that will be in the top 30 in 2014, but haven't currently started. You can check that out by clicking "edit" and looking at the flights in between the <--.....-->
 * Thenoflyzone (talk) 11:39, 27 March 2014 (UTC)

Qantas to replace 747-400 with A380 on SYD-DFW route
Just read this release from Qantas, detailing the change of aircraft on the SYD-DFW route, commencing in September 2014: http://www.qantasnewsroom.com.au/media-releases/qantas-customers-to-experience-world-class-a380-services-to-dallasfort-worth

Also, the return leg of this flight will no longer halt in Brisbane, as currently done using the 747-400 aircraft. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Phloyd (talk • contribs) 10:44, 8 May 2014 (UTC)

Table headers formatting broken
Something is wrong with the layout of the table headers. Currently the "Discontinued" heading appears before the table of currently scheduled flights, and the table of discontinued flights is immediately below it without a heading. This is very confusing as it makes it hard to tell which table is which. Does anyone know how to fix this? 67.190.42.34 (talk) 14:09, 9 May 2014 (UTC)
 * Took care of it. Thenoflyzone (talk) 20:27, 9 May 2014 (UTC)

Place for regularly scheduled cargo flights
Qatar Airways begins non-stop cargo flights from Doha to Mexico City beginning 11 June 2014. These cities are 14,136 km apart (further than the longest passenger flight...QF8 at 13,804 km)! This seems like something worth mentioning, but is there a place for it in the article? The "By aircraft type" section says ""The first one lists all the commercial aircraft types used for serving non-stop flights and their currently scheduled and operating longest flight...The table below lists the longest (by distance) non-stop flights operated by different types of aircraft." The wording does not suggest only passenger flights. Would it be appropriate to add 777F (although I don't know if this particular flight is the longest)? AHeneen (talk) 12:03, 26 May 2014 (UTC)

El Al Tel Aviv-Los Angeles
The Boeing 777-200ER was not flying in May, 1988, when this route allegedly began. El Al Boeing 747-400's, if flying then, could probably have managed the distance and time, however, but its Boeing 747-200's could not. Update the listings, please.DonPevsner

In May 1988 the El Al began its long-haul passenger flight from Tel Aviv to Los Angeles, completing its journey in 13 h 41 min (12,189 kilometres (7,574 mi)). A Boeing 747-238B was delivered to El Al Israel Airlines on 08. May 1988. It was leased to Qantas on 16. Sep 1988. Presumably the flight used this B747 was but was not profitable. Does anyone have any information?Pacomartin (talk) 16:40, 27 August 2014 (UTC)

Shortest Flight
Sorry to say this, but this section is pretty lame in its current shape. I'm pretty sure there are hundreds of scheduled flights under 100 miles that are not listed here. I'm ready to take a bet that I'll find 50 within a day. Is there really a point in having them all listed here? I'd rather just keep a list of 10-20 shortest flights in the world. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 31.11.188.210 (talk) 23:18, 3 January 2015 (UTC)

Why is the two minute flight from Westray to Papa Westray, Scotland, not mentioned? http://wrightsquawks.blogspot.com/2009/09/shortest-and-longest-scheduled.htmlBenthatsme (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 19:56, 16 March 2010 (UTC).
 * It is already mentionned Slasher-fun (talk) 22:54, 16 March 2010 (UTC)

In this category, in my opinion, any flight covering over 100 miles can't really be considered a 'short' flight. I would like to suggest that, when sorting the short flights by distance, all listings from "belgrade to sarajevo" until "durban to johannesburg" should be deleted. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mltinus (talk • contribs) 07:24, 23 June 2010 (UTC)

The Middle East Airlines flight from Beirut (BEY) to Larnaca (LCA) is referred to as an 85 km flight; however the great circle distance between the two airports is 208 km, according to www.gcmap.com.--Lbc71 (talk) 11:19, 31 January 2011 (UTC)

The introduction to this section mentions Honolulu to Maui flights quite prominently, but then only Kona to Maui flights are in the table. Which I find confusing. My hope is someone else can understand and fix this (apparent) inconsistency. Benthatsme (talk) 00:46, 12 September 2011 (UTC)

distance unit harmonization
Hello,an harmonization on distance units would be welcome : for now, it's mixed land miles, nautical miles and kilometers. The WikiProject_Aviation/Style_guide refers to the Manual_of_Style where the WP:UNITS section advices to select an appropriate "primary unit" : SI units in most articles, imperial units in US and UK-related articles. Given that the article's focus is mostly on international routes, SI units would be more useful. Since in aviation the nautical mile is often used for ranges, it could be an useful secondary unit. Plus, by definition there is 20000km or 10800nm in a meridian, wich helps to understand rapidly the proportion of the globe wich is covered. What do you think? --Marc Lacoste (talk) 10:04, 5 April 2015 (UTC)

What about the info for Embraer aircraft? Anyone has it available?
united cancelled its nonstop between IAH and ANC, the 757-300 longest flight needs to be updated — Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.192.151.249 (talk) 01:46, 23 August 2015 (UTC)

Airbus A330-300
Air Asia X on 1 April entered the New Zealand market as the low-cost long-haul airline launched four weekly flights between its Kuala Lumpur (KUL) base and Christchurch (CHC). The 8,700-kilometre (~5400 mi) route is operated with the airline’s 377-seat A330-300s. anna.aero - retrieved on 2011-04-07 --95.132.189.3 (talk) 09:05, 7 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Well it's a wiki, why not to update it yourself? ;-) Slasher-fun (talk) 14:39, 7 April 2011 (UTC)

Boeing 767-200ER
Madrid-Barajas to Mexico City (Aeroméxico AM 2) has replaced Boeing 767-200ER with Boeing 787 in Fall 2013. I have no idea how to find the current longest flight for this airframe. While the BTS has a thorough database for routes run by foreign airlines that land in US soil, I don't know what database people are using for this article.Pacomartin (talk) 01:31, 15 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Correct. In my opinion, I think that list of longest non-stop flights by aircraft is probably full of out-of-date information or WP:Original research, because airlines change their equipment around frequently and with few exceptions, there are probably few cases where there is a reference available that the route operated is indeed the longest route for that aircraft type. Using Flightradar24, which is a reasonably reliable source for aircraft types operated on a route (since they collect the transponder info), AM2 has been operated by a mix of 777-200ER, 787-8, 777-300ER, and only once in the three months (on 9 June) by a 767-200ER (XA-FRJ). The longest flight listed for the 767-300ER listed is LA707, which has been operated by a 787-8 since 12 July. AHeneen (talk) 16:18, 15 August 2014 (UTC)
 * I did the update. Slasher-fun (talk) 16:45, 15 August 2014 (UTC)
 * And I did the update for the longest B767-300ER flight. Longest one now LP 2707, MAD-LIM.Thenoflyzone (talk) 03:00, 18 August 2014 (UTC)

Boeing 737-900ER
Any information about Boeing 737-900ER? --95.132.186.23 (talk) 10:15, 11 April 2011 (UTC)

Newark to San Francisco --95.132.186.23 (talk) 11:04, 11 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Yup, that's the longest one. Be careful not to mixup B739 and B739ER (different aircrafts). Slasher-fun (talk) 15:04, 11 April 2011 (UTC)

Try to check distances for Turkish Airways B-739's. They operate from Istanbul(IST) to destinations on west coast of Africa. I believe IST to Libreville must exceed the mentioned domestic USA sector for this type?89.8.16.104 (talk) 12:57, 1 February 2013 (UTC)

Boeing 747-8I
Starting December 10th, Lufthansa will start operating the 747-8I to Los Angeles under the flight numbers LH456 Frankfurt to LAX and LH457 for the return flight. It is going to be longer then the flight from Frankfurt to DC so it will need to be updated on December 10th. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Playerstroke (talk • contribs) 02:39, 8 November 2012 (UTC)

Boeing 737-200 & Boeing 737-300
Every member of the 737 family but these two have a longest flight listed. It might take some digging for the 737-200 due it being used mainly by second and third tier airlines. I know also that Southwest Airlines operates the 737-300 with some retrofitted with newer hardware. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Playerstroke (talk • contribs) 04:12, 21 November 2012 (UTC)

London City to New York in a318 is not a direct flight ! (via Shanon)
London City to New York in a318 is not a direct flight ! (via Shanon)Bill123456 (talk) 14:48, 8 December 2015 (UTC)


 * Eastbound is direct via Shannon, Westbound is nonstop as described in the article. The limiting factor Eastbound is weight taking off from LVY.Andrewgprout (talk) 15:01, 8 December 2015 (UTC)

Remove long tables in another specific wiki
Hi, may I suggest that longest haul table and shortest flight table be shuffled to another specific new wikiarticle? ==> in order to alleviate the length of this current wiki requested move — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bouzinac (talk • contribs) 16:02, 25 February 2016 (UTC) --Bouzinac (talk) 14:12, 15 December 2015 (UTC)

Why aren't return flights not listed?
I find this article a bit confusing. From what I can tell flights are listed by great circle distance between endpoints. This makes sense, because often the "planned distance" according to FlightAware is something moderately greater than the great circle distance and as the article points out there is day to day variation in the actual distance travelled. However, this also means that the return flights (which for many of these trips do exist) are not listed even though they cover the same great circle distance--albeit on average with shorter flight times.

For instance, DL200 and DL201 travel the exact same great circle distance, but only DL201 appears in the table. According to FlightAware DL200 seems to usually take about 14:30 hrs while DL201 seems to usually take a hair over 16:00 hrs.

Another example is QF7/QF8. QF7 seems to average around 14:30 hrs while QF8 is around 16:45.

Shouldn't both directions be listed for correctness? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.22.54.136 (talk) 08:02, 11 April 2016 (UTC)

Map Projections
I don't think you can put the 10 longest flights on one map and have it clear. I think you need two different projections Five longest cross from Northern (DOH, DXB, SAN, DFW, ATL) to Equatorial (SIN) and Southern Hemisphere (SIN, JNB, AKL) http://www.gcmap.com/map?P=akl-doh%0d%0asan-sin%0d%0aakl-dxb%0d%0adfw-syd%0d%0aatl-jnb%0d%0a&MS=wls2&MP=azeqi&MC=TIP&MX=540x540&PM=*&PC=%23ff0000 Next Five are Middle East to USA (LAX & IAH) via polar route http://www.gcmap.com/map?P=AUH-LAX%0d%0aDXB-LAX%0d%0aJED-LAX%0d%0aDOH-LAX%0d%0aDXB-IAH&MS=wls2&MP=polar&MC=TIP&MX=540x540&PM=*&PC=%23ff0000 Pacomartin (talk)

ALTERNATE PROJECTION Five longest cross from Northern (DOH, DXB, SAN, DFW, ATL) to Equatorial (SIN) and Southern Hemisphere (SIN, JNB, AKL) http://www.gcmap.com/map?P=DOH-AKL%0d%0aDXB-AKL%0d%0aDFW-SYD%0d%0aSFO-SIN%0d%0aATL-JNB%0d%0a&MS=wls2&MC=JNU&MR=1800&MX=720x360&PM=*&PC=%23ff0000 Next Five are Middle East to USA (LAX & IAH) via polar route http://www.gcmap.com/map?P=AUH-LAX%0d%0aDXB-LAX%0d%0aJED-LAX%0d%0aDOH-LAX%0d%0aDXB-IAH&MS=wls2&MP=polar&MC=TIP&MX=540x540&PM=*&PC=%23ff0000 Pacomartin (talk) 02:08, 12 May 2016 (UTC)


 * none of these are better than having all 10 on the same map - which I don't see any problem with. Except maybe I would move the Auckland tracks away from Sydney a bit just for clarity.  Andrewgprout (talk) 08:18, 12 May 2016 (UTC)


 * 10 Longest Non-stop Commercial Flights.gif You have three reasons for an ultra long flight. (1) North polar flight, (2) South polar flight, (3) crossing into or over the tropics. One single projection must necessarily break the routes, unless you use this one: http://www.gcmap.com/map?P=akl-doh%0d%0aakl-dxb%0d%0adfw-syd%0d%0asfo-sin%0d%0ajnb-atl%0d%0aauh-lax%0d%0adxb-lax%0d%0ajed-lax%0d%0adoh-lax%0d%0adxb-iah&MS=wls&MP=azeqi&MC=TIP&MX=540x540&PM=* But I did some test runs and many people found an azimuthal equidistant projection to be very disorienting. I honestly think two maps is easiest to understand, but if editors insist on one rectangular one, then I think this map center is much clearer since it keeps the oceans intact. http://www.gcmap.com/map?P=akl-doh%0d%0aakl-dxb%0d%0adfw-syd%0d%0asfo-sin%0d%0ajnb-atl%0d%0aauh-lax%0d%0adxb-lax%0d%0ajed-lax%0d%0adoh-lax%0d%0adxb-iah&MS=wls&MC=ANC&MR=1800&MX=720x360&PM=*

Pacomartin (talk) 12:40, 12 May 2016 (UTC)


 * Five longest air routes.gifer possibility is to just use a single projection where the routes are intact, and limit it to top five longest flights. The choice of top 10 is arbitrary anyway.Pacomartin (talk)

Longest 737-700ER
I don't think this is correct anymore. I believe ANA now flies a Dreamliner on this route. Boeing 737-700ER Jetliner Tokyo Narita to Mumbai 6,796km 4,223 mi 09 hr 35 min All Nippon Airways NH 829 I don't know how to find the current 737-700ER range leader. Pacomartin (talk) 09:00, 15 May 2016 (UTC)

New Non-Stop flight, I think will be second in here.
United Airlines flight 1 has 14,079km, Additionally, United Airlines flight 2 has 13,722km. Those flight is flies between San Francisco and Singapore. --SGDF55 (talk) 14:32, 4 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Those flights are already listed :) (we use the distance of the shortest route between the two cities) Slasher-fun (talk) 15:10, 4 June 2016 (UTC)

Human inpact
It would be good if somebody who knows could add information on the human impact of long flights : how many extra crew and how do they rest and rotate; health effect on passengers sitting all that time; storage of all those meals; etc. After all, the whole purpose is the human cargo. Rcbutcher (talk) 01:52, 28 July 2016 (UTC)

WP:V and WP:NOR
I have taken part in one of the slowest edit wars ever, over whether we can have reams of info here marked as unreferenced since 2011. We can't. There are places on the Internet that can host material like this, but Wikipedia is not one of them. On a similar subject, we have two long sections which look like original research, which is not permitted either. Any thoughts? --John (talk) 19:15, 20 September 2016 (UTC)
 * If there are no sources for these sections by the 27th, I guess we can do without them. Any thoughts? --John (talk) 10:04, 25 September 2016 (UTC)
 * which sections? --Marc Lacoste (talk) 19:25, 25 September 2016 (UTC)
 * The two subsections of Airlines and aircraft types for non-stop flights. --John (talk) 20:10, 25 September 2016 (UTC)
 * OK. It's indeed close to OR, but useful nonetheless. It would be easy to reference it with Flight mapper, writing directly the url : info.flightmapper.net/flight/Emirates_EK449, info.flightmapper.net/flight/Qantas_QF8, and so on. Do you want that? --Marc Lacoste (talk) 05:48, 26 September 2016 (UTC)
 * This was awful. I lost several hours doing just the /by Aircraft Type/, much shorter than /by airline/. While doing it, the absence of reference for each type was a shame. I'm not really happy with the result, but a least the subsequent additions will have the flightmapper ref and should be easy to check. --Marc Lacoste (talk) 15:20, 19 October 2016 (UTC)

New longest flight
Hey everyone, Virgin Atlantic offers a nonstop-flight from London to Sydney with a total distance of 17034,37 km and a travel time of 23:05 h in an Airbus A340-600. So therefor this should be the new longest nonstop-flight. You can find flight details on kayak.com. Cheers, Christian — Preceding unsigned comment added by 180.243.31.59 (talk) 03:43, 15 March 2013 (UTC)


 * Hi Christian, this flight has a stop in Hong-Kong, but it keeps the same flight number for both LHR-HKG and HKG-SYD segments, which is why kayak shows it as a nonstop flight. No aircraft is currently capable of flying this route non-stop with a normal payload (pax+bags). Slasher-fun (talk) 15:06, 15 March 2013 (UTC)

It's worth considering DEL-SFO, which is currently claiming the record. Ash (talk) 04:14, 23 October 2016 (UTC)
 * The table is for orthodromic distances, see below. And it's not even a route record, SIA was flying 16,600km and 18h. --Marc Lacoste (talk) 13:00, 23 October 2016 (UTC)

the list of different aircraft types
I believe when it come to the longest non-stop flight operated by different types of aircrafts, readers would usually more interested in the longest route an aircraft ever flied instead the longest route they're flying now? As the point of reading about the longest non-stop flight of an aircraft is about the distance it covered? For instance, what's the longest non-stop flight ever scheduled and conducted for a Concorde, 747SP, 742, L1011, Constellation, etc. C933103 (talk) 12:02, 30 October 2016 (UTC)
 * both--Marc Lacoste (talk) 18:48, 30 October 2016 (UTC)

"Longest flight" section and "ultra-long haul" section
Those sections for "longest flight" and "ultra-long haul" now occupy more than 90% of the page, would it be more appropriate to relocate those information elsewhere, like putting those information about ultra long haul flights in an article named "ultra-long haul", or "ultra-long haul" section under Flight length article, and split "longest flight" section into an article of its own? And then this page can be used to talk about more generic non-stop flights like the use of 757 in trans-Atlantic market.C933103 (talk) 12:02, 30 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Agreed it takes too much space, but why pollute another article then? It's more a WP:List, the article could be renamed Longest flights or something like that.--Marc Lacoste (talk) 18:46, 30 October 2016 (UTC)
 * The 2nd major section in the article is indeed a list of longest flight but the 1st major section isn't. Edit: renamed the section name for clarity C933103 (talk) 13:11, 3 November 2016 (UTC)