Talk:Nordlandshest/Lyngshest

Name of article
Isn't it supposed to be "Nordlandshest"? "Nordlandshester" is the plural of "no:nordlandshest". - Soulkeeper 18:33, 18 April 2006 (UTC) By the way, nordlandshest is also called "lyngshest" in Norwegian. I don't know if that applies to English too, but I'll just mention it just in case. - Soulkeeper 19:18, 18 April 2006 (UTC)

Pictures
heyhey, just wanted to say I think that picture of the lyngshest is pretty bad, and say I do have some better ones of my own one; but I don't know how to upoad them; so i'd be happy if anyone would want to... if so reply here or contact me on blue_black_panther@hotmail.com =] Nizingur 07:36, 19 August 2007 (UTC)nizingur


 * You may find the information you are looking for here: Uploading images. Labongo 12:24, 19 August 2007 (UTC)

Tarpans and Przewalskis
Just a little aside here as I'm carrying out a huge edit: in addition to whatever I cut from the original article text because I had the same thing sourced added in, I also cut the part with ...descendant of the Asiatic Wild Horse and the Tarpan.... AFAIAW, no contemporary horse has been proven to descend from either of these. --Pitke (talk) 12:21, 10 January 2015 (UTC)


 * Yeah, if it can't be sourced, the best we can do is say "alleged by breed promoters." Sometimes I do that if I anticipate it will be an issue.  (Just like I put the stuff about cross-breeding between Andalusians and Barbs being proven by DNA because both argue about how "pure" their breeds are... heh, heh...).  Montanabw (talk)  07:37, 15 January 2015 (UTC)

Lost in translation
I confess, I don't speak a word of Norwegian other than "Uff da!" (I am part Norwegian, though...). I have no clue what they mean by "silver bay" and especially "silver buckskin." Any ideas? Does this breed carry the silver dapple gene? (if they do, a "silver buckskin" is impossible - the black mane would be whitish and the horse would mimic a palomino, I think) Google translate is not real helpful with this source material, but this is what it gives me from the original Norwegian text:

''Farge og avtegn: Følgende farger er tillatt: Rød, brun, svart, gul, borket, sølvbrun, sølvsvart, sølvborket og alle avblekbare skimmelvarianter av disse. Det er ønskelig å beholde fargemangfoldet. Blåøyd hvite individer kan ikke premieres eller kåres. Store avtegn på hode og over 1/3 opp på pipa på bakbein er ikke ønskelig. Med store avtegn på hode menes bles som går utover øyepartiet, samt kubles. Vanlige avtegn er stjerne og bles, jamfør stambok 1 fra 1969. Glassøyd/ringøyd og avtegn på kropp og alle avtegn på hud over hoven på frambein er diskvalifiserende.''

"The following colors are permitted: Red, brown, black, yellow, Bork (? I presume this translates Buckskin?), silver brown, silver black, sølvborket and all avblekbare skimmelvarianter thereof. It is desirable to retain color diversity. Blue eyed white individuals may not be awarded or announced. Large markings on head and 1/3 up on the chimney on hind legs is not desirable. With large markings on the head meant blaze that goes beyond øyepartiet and Kubler. Common markings are star and blaze, cf. studbook 1 1969. Glassøyd / ringøyd and markings on the body and all markings on the skin over swollen frambein is disqualifying"

Bleech! The machine just doesn't want to translate a few words..." all avblekbare skimmelvarianter thereof" (help!) I also notice that "blaze that goes beyond " øyepartiet and Kubler" -- is that what we'd call a "bald face" in English? (See horse markings for photos) " all markings on the skin over swollen frambein"  -- is that where you are saying "skin on forelegs"?  Basically, almost all white markings have white skin underneath them, so not sure that they are talking about.... white above the knee?  Above the chestnuts? Anyway, just trying to figure out what they are talking about.  (could these "silver" colors actually be the dun gene as with the Fjord horses? That would make sense...)  Montanabw (talk)  09:06, 18 January 2015 (UTC)


 * Silver bay, silver black, and silver buckskin refer to exactly what you'd imagine: silver dapple affected black, bay, and buckskin. Silver buckskin is in no less possible than silver bay to tell. This filly is a light tan silver bay. Note the decidedly non-ee legs.
 * Red (rød) is chestnut, brown (brun) is bay, yellow (gul) is palomino. Bork is buckskin in both Swedish and Norwegian. Sølv translates literally to silver and means silver dapple, so we get silver dapple black, silver dapple bay, and silver dapple buckskin.
 * Skimmel is grey in both Swedish and Norwegian. "Skimmelvarianter av disse" translates directly to "grey variants of these", i.e. grey horses with any of the previously mentioned colours as the base/birth colour. "Avblekbar" evades my sources but it obviously cannot mean anything besides "corresponding".
 * Blue-eyed white cannot be other than double cream dilute, which is called blue-eyed white/cream or simply white for various breeds in the Nordic countries. The Finnish Hippos officially registered double creams as BEC until very recently.
 * "Premier" is to award, "kår" is to accept for the studbook.
 * øyepartiet is eye part, eye area -- kubles is word for word cow blaze, which is a common term for the Nordic countries and means a bald face (my mistake earlier)
 * "og alle avtegn på hud over hoven på frambein" is unambiguous: word for word again it goes "and all markings on the skin above the hoof on front legs". GT is really terrible sometimes. What this means is, if there's white on the hoof they will inspect the skin on the pastern. If it's found that the marking reaches the skin, bam, disqualified. I suppose this is de facto a disqualification of any and all white markings on the front legs, but since silvers would have pale stripes in all hooves, it's worded like this.
 * and no, silver is not dun. The terminology for dun colourations is entirely different (blakk for pretty much everything except mouse dun, which is just grå, "grey").
 * --Pitke (talk) 12:35, 18 January 2015 (UTC)


 * Heh, I agree that GT flat out sucks at times. It's particularly horrible with French.  But, a buckskin is far lighter than your silver bay - the mane and tail would be diluted to silver, but the body would be gold.  But I'll link to the silver dapple article.  We can't go beyond the sources, but may I rant to you (as a sympathetic ear) about how ridiculous and outdated it is for them to ban blue-eyed cream horses when they allow palominos and buckskins?  Montanabw (talk)  20:15, 19 January 2015 (UTC)