Talk:Norman Hunter (footballer)

MBE
Why is there no mention of his MBE awarded in 2009? See. 2A00:23C6:C780:DA00:F1F1:83D6:C3BB:62A (talk) 11:16, 17 April 2020 (UTC)
 * I've added that next to his name, really needs to be expanded on in a personal section. Govvy (talk) 11:22, 17 April 2020 (UTC)

The article refers to the World Cup Winners medals, NOT the MBE, so I have removed this from article.. Daemonickangaroo2018 (talk) 12:04, 17 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Silly me, I really should of read that source, the IPv6 got me there!! Govvy (talk) 13:05, 17 April 2020 (UTC)

Marriage and personal life
The BBC (Norman Hunter dies: Leeds United great 'a man of steel who could produce silk', 17 April 2020) mentions with picture that “Hunter married Susan Harper in 1968”. Is there anything else known of his personal life that would be appropriate for this page? JDAWiseman (talk) 12:12, 17 April 2020 (UTC)
 * I've added a sentence. Like many footballers of that era, there's not a huge amount else about him, unless more comes out in the obits. Black Kite (talk) 13:25, 17 April 2020 (UTC)

Requested move 21 March 2021

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The result of the move request was: No consensus to move  (t &#183; c)  buidhe  04:16, 3 April 2021 (UTC)

– clear WP:PRIMARYTOPIC. Recieves overwhelming majority of page views (even barring the spike following his death) and has more long-term significance than either of the other Norman Hunters. Microwave Anarchist (talk) 13:41, 21 March 2021 (UTC) —Relisted.  P.I. Ellsworth   ed.  put'r there 05:36, 30 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Norman Hunter (footballer) → Norman Hunter
 * Norman Hunter → Norman Hunter (disambiguation)
 * Note: Norman Hunter titles a page with content and so it must also be dispositioned. If this request is granted, then Norman Hunter will be moved to Norman Hunter (disambiguation), as shown in this modified request.  P.I. Ellsworth   ed.  put'r there 18:37, 21 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related page moves. GiantSnowman 12:31, 22 March 2021 (UTC)


 * Oppose - pageviews do not make a primary topic, see WP:PPT. GiantSnowman 12:35, 22 March 2021 (UTC)
 * But they are a fair indication of a primary topic. And either way, he recieves far more coverage than either of the other Norman Hunter's in relable sources, so i feel it does qualify as a primary topic.

The Damned United
I think the article needs a paragraph or two about this topic and I would like to incorporate any comments which Norman Hunter himself made upon it. There is very little on the internet except what seems a good interview with journalist Mark Alford on 30 March 2009, just after the film was released. Unfortunately, as I saw when I updated the article, Mr Alford was working for the "Daily Mail" and this site rightly (for political reasons, certainly) deprecates that rag as an unreliable source. Though I am not sure if the red flag should apply to its sports coverage, I have removed the reference and tried to work around it.

If anyone has access to media which holds comments by Norman about the book or film, especially about the way he personally was completely misrepresented (to a ridiculous degree, in fact) in the film, I'd be very grateful if you can add it to the article or at least point me in the right direction. Thank you. PearlyGigs (talk) 13:48, 17 August 2023 (UTC)

Content assessment
I am promoting the article to WP:BCLASS. I think it now meets the six criteria. It could use more content but, as per B2, the coverage is broad with no obvious omissions. It just depends on how much detail is desired. Thanks. PearlyGigs (talk) 22:12, 25 May 2024 (UTC)

Requested move 1 July 2024

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The result of the move request was: Not Moved. (closed by non-admin page mover) Bensci54 (talk) 17:03, 17 July 2024 (UTC)

– Per WP:PRIMARYTOPIC, the footballer is the primary topic with respect to usage, because it is much more likely than all the other topics combined to be the topic sought when a reader searches for that term. With respect to long-term significance, either no one is the primary topic or else the footballer is the primary topic, and it makes no difference because the footballer is the primary topic as to long-term significance. None of the other topics come close in terms of fame or significance. PearlyGigs (talk) 16:02, 1 July 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. BilledMammal (talk) 17:57, 9 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Norman Hunter → Norman Hunter (disambiguation)
 * Norman Hunter (footballer) → Norman Hunter
 * Support on the basis of |Norman_Hunter_(footballer)|Norman_Hunter_(writer)|Norman_Hunter_(speedway_rider)|N._C._Hunter page views: "Norman Hunter (footballer)" receives over 95% of the total page views for these terms. Jean-de-Nivelle (talk) 17:06, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Oppose. No primary topic by long-term significance. The writer of the extremely well-known Professor Branestawm novels is also pretty significant. -- Necrothesp (talk) 09:43, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Hi, . It is true that the writer has significance but the prominence, rightly or wrongly, of football in Britain does mean that a famous footballer will nearly always be the person associated with a specific name. Perhaps because of his nickname, and his reputation as a "hard man" on the field, the footballer has remained famous decades after he last played a match. His death as one of the early victims of COVID did make headline news but, even so, he had never been forgotten and had become one of the game's so-called "legends", like George Best or whoever. It is surely true that nearly everyone who searches for Norman Hunter on this site is looking for the footballer. Having said that, future fame cannot be predicted and, if a film company should one day make mega-successful movies about Professor Branestawm, then the situation will change. I think, though, that current fame rests heavily in the footballer's favour. PearlyGigs (talk) 10:20, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Note that I am British. I've never heard of the footballer; I've certainly heard of the author. Personal experience and therefore irrelevant, I know, but it does illustrate that even in Britain footballers are not automatically always the most significant people. -- Necrothesp (talk) 10:25, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
 * I'm British too. I don't follow football and I'd never heard of the footballer, while I'd heard of the author via his "Professor Branestawm" books. The pageview statistics seem quite clear though. The purpose of a disambiguation page is to help the reader find the information they're looking for. It seems objectively true that the great majority of readers will be looking for the footballer. The wikinav tool shows (if I'm interpreting it correctly) that the footballer currently receives 100% of outgoing traffic from the disambiguation page. Jean-de-Nivelle (talk) 10:49, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
 * That page is hard to understand, but I think the "filtered" results could have been to the author -- in fact they must have been since the only other possible destination is the footballer, and they're not to that. So some of the 18 results that were filtered, and no more than 9 at most (or they would not have been filtered) were to the author.  Though as with you I can't be sure I'm interpreting the page correctly. Mike Christie (talk - contribs -  library) 11:07, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
 * I think the filtered results are all incoming: the footnote refers only to "incoming pageviews". Jean-de-Nivelle (talk) 11:10, 2 July 2024 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
 * Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related page moves. GiantSnowman 20:13, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Oppose there is no PRIMARYTOPIC. Pageviews are meaningless. GiantSnowman 20:16, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Closure requested. As nominator, I've requested closure at the RM page as there is little chance of consensus. Thanks to everyone who contributed to the discussion. PearlyGigs (talk) 20:02, 10 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Oppose per Necrothesp and GiantSnowman. —Roman Spinner (talk • contribs) 00:46, 11 July 2024 (UTC)