Talk:Norman Surplus

Article weakness
This article would be much improved with a list of starting and finishing location of each leg, with dates and distances. Right now it is a chronological mess, with far too much about permission to cross Russia. David notMD (talk) 23:59, 22 August 2019 (UTC)


 * I don't think you can mess the chronology up because it is a simple chronology. The trip had two legs. One that started in 2010 and continued on until 2015 on and off due to the Russian airspace problem. The Russian flight permission problem is a central problem for this expedition and it is reported on multiple RS. The lead of the article and the main section of the article report on the Russian flight problems and permission difficulties in a factual manner reflecting the current RS. In fact, the expedition was able to be concluded successfully, after the flight over Russian terrain was concluded. So the Russian factor is a central factor of the endeavour. I haven't found flight logs as yet, so I cannot add flight log details to the article. Dr.   K.  01:37, 23 August 2019 (UTC)

First circumnavigation by autogyro?
According to both the Guinness Book of Records and Fédération Aéronautique Internationale James Ketchell is the first circumnavigation (as well as the fastest), so I'm unsure of the validity of the claim made in this article. Completing a navigation over the course of 9 years seems to be a bit of a stretch? Smirkybec (talk) 15:15, 2 March 2021 (UTC)
 * I think that crediting Surplus and not Ketchell is misleading given that "the Fédération Aéronautique Internationale (FAI) won’t credit him [Surplus] with the full circumnavigation record." as reported in 2015. Smirkybec (talk) 15:23, 2 March 2021 (UTC)