Talk:Norodom Chakrapong/GA1

GA Review
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Reviewer: Curly Turkey (talk · contribs) 22:40, 17 March 2015 (UTC)

Hi. I'll do this review. Curly Turkey ¡gobble! 06:14, 16 March 2015 (UTC)

Hi Curly Turkey, please see appended comments below:
 * From your comments on the prose and the page history of Norodom Chakrapong, you seems to have started the wrong GA review page? Please cut and paste if necessary....but if you are keen on doing a review of Norodom Ranariddh, it will be my pleasure :) Mr Tan (talk) 07:48, 17 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Whoops! How did I do that?  Sorry, give me until tomorrow and I'll sort this out—maybe I'll end up doing both. Curly Turkey ¡gobble! 08:30, 17 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Okay, I've moved this review here. Sorry about the confusion! Curly Turkey ¡gobble! 22:40, 17 March 2015 (UTC)

Prose

 * I've done some copyedits. Feel free to revert anything you disagree with, and feel free to disagree with any feedback I have below:
 * to Sihanouk and Sisowath Pongsanmoni: would either of these be worth a redlink? Sihanouk in particular, as the text says he was Prime Minister.
 * I have redlinked Sihanouk in the lead sentence already: "He is the fourth son of Norodom Sihanouk of Cambodia and a half-brother of the current king, Norodom Sihamoni." If I am not mistaken, guidelines advised us that redlinking once would be more than enough. As for Sisowath Pongsanmoni, I have little information about her beyond that she is one of many Sihanouk's wives. Unless an article is created, I do not see the point of doing so, and my take is that I would not create a stub page to simply state that she is Sihanouk's wife....that may not conform to WP:Notability guidelines... Mr Tan (talk) 07:48, 17 March 2015 (UTC)
 * You're right, the guidleines say to link once (and I missed that it was in the lead). The lead is a summary of the body, though, and so normally we also link (or redlink) again at the first instance in the body, too. Curly Turkey ¡gobble! 22:48, 17 March 2015 (UTC)


 * ran a small enterprise: do we know what kind of enterprise?
 * The source from "Narong (2005), p. 208" on this period of Chakrapong's life that I referenced merely stated:

"....He then lived in the former Yugoslavia, as the guest of the late President Joseph Broz Tito, and undertook further training with the Yugoslavian Air Force Staff College. At the end of this training, he requested political asylum in France where he became a small businessman. After the formation of FUNCINPEC, Samdech Preah joined the party and established himself at the Thai Cambodian border in charge..."


 * I tried to cross check other resources, but there is no elaboration on what kind of enterprise that he was dealing with. If there is more source information I will be glad to input, but the furthest that we can infer that he is probably an owner of a Small and medium-sized enterprises. Mr Tan (talk) 07:48, 17 March 2015 (UTC)
 * That's unfortuante, but I suppose there's nothing you can do. Curly Turkey ¡gobble! 22:48, 17 March 2015 (UTC)


 * 1991 Paris Peace Accords: worth a redlink? There's an article for the 1973 Paris Peace Accords.


 * DoneMr Tan (talk) 07:48, 17 March 2015 (UTC)


 * Thayer had initially attempted to contact United States Ambassador Charles Twining to seek asylum in the country: does "the country" mean "the US"?


 * Yes, but would it sound a little awkward given this way: "Thayer had initially attempted to contact United States Ambassador Charles Twining to seek asylum in the United States, but was unsuccessful." ...The US is repeated twice in one sentence? But anyway I am fine to go along Mr Tan (talk) 07:48, 17 March 2015 (UTC)
 * I've tried to reword it, but, hmmm... Curly Turkey ¡gobble! 22:48, 17 March 2015 (UTC)


 * After the Khmer Soul Party failed to win any seats in the 2003 general elections, and returned to Funcinpec in March 2004.: should that be "he returned", or is something missing here?


 * Done. Basically Chakrapong dissolved his splinter party, known as the "Khmer Soul Party", and returned to join FUNCINPEC in March 2004. Mr Tan (talk) 07:48, 17 March 2015 (UTC)


 * In May 2005, a new position of Inspector General was introduced to the party's executive committee, and Chakrapong was appointed to the post.: Was Chakropong appointed the same month the post was created?


 * Addressed Mr Tan (talk) 07:48, 17 March 2015 (UTC)


 * but was criticised by other senior party members such as Nhek Bun Chhay and Lu Laysreng: criticized in what way?

From the source, these 2 party members were unhappy with his appointment to the sec-gen post of the party. From the source, Nhek Bun Chhay gives the following reasons:

"There are reasons Chakra­pong is not qualified for the post,” Nhiek Bun Chhay said. “Firstly, in 1992, he led Sihanoukists to join the Cambodian People’s Party. Se­condly, he led a secessionist move­­­ment to oppose the Funcin­pec victory in the 1993 election. And thirdly, he set up his own par­ty, [the Chakrapong Khmer Spirit Party, in 2002], insulting and at­tacking Funcinpec."

But I do not think it would be appropriate to go into detail in the context of this article, otherwise it would amount to overelaboration. Anyway, I have re-phrased a little... Mr Tan (talk) 08:07, 17 March 2015 (UTC)


 * to secure 472 out of 11,459 commune councilor positions available: what does "councilor position" mean here?
 * Councilor seats, its just like in a national parliament, there will be a certain given number of given of seats. If I understand correctly for example, the Parliament of Canada has 308 MP seats. The same concept applies here Mr Tan (talk) 08:02, 17 March 2015 (UTC)


 * Why is Cambodian Royal Family in the "Business career" section?
 * I felt it should be placed in the Business career section for purely technical reasons. As you can see, the infobox is very long, and given that the Family section is right next to the reference section, it will trail into the Reference section. I do not want the infobox to create a white dead space due to the trail. Perhaps I might want to illustrate this via screenshots:

Default in business section:



But if I place the infobox to "Palace relations", note the dead space in the "Reference" section:




 * Chakrapong has six full siblings, consisting of three brothers (Yuvaneath, Racvivong and Khemanourak) and four younger sisters (Sorya Roeungsi, Kantha Bopha and Botum Bopha).: three plus four is seven, is it not?
 * Oops, math error amended. Mr Tan (talk) 08:02, 17 March 2015 (UTC)


 * Curly Turkey ¡gobble! 06:15, 16 March 2015 (UTC)

Please do not hesitate to revert to me if you feel that there are outstanding issues to be addressed. Thanks! Mr Tan (talk) 08:07, 17 March 2015 (UTC)


 * Okay, I'll do a source check soon. Curly Turkey ¡gobble! 22:48, 17 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Oh—the article has no images. Is there nothing appropriate?  Even a photo of the building he was born in? Curly Turkey ¡gobble! 22:49, 17 March 2015 (UTC)
 * No free images at the moment, but I thought as per Reviewing_good_articles, there is a clause that states, "The article should comply with image use policy. Images are encouraged but not required. Any images used should be appropriate to the article, have captions and free licenses or valid fair use rationales."? I hope that this would not be an obstacle to GA criteria. I found some non-free images online such as . I plan to contact various authors to see if they can release images of Chakrapong, Ranariddh, emblems of political logos etc under Creative Commons or GFDL in future during my holiday season. Mr Tan (talk) 12:23, 20 March 2015 (UTC)
 * I know they're not required, but I'm surprised that there aren't any—sorry, I wasn't implying that the article would fail without them. Curly Turkey ¡gobble! 21:20, 20 March 2015 (UTC)


 * I'm just curious, why did you add an "&nbsp" sign to all the page numbers? Wouldn't a basic spacing such as eg: "p. 7" or "pp. 21-22" would be sufficient without all the HTML? I do not see any technical differences without the HTML, and might make editing for other editors not too convenient...... Mr Tan (talk) 12:35, 20 March 2015 (UTC)
 * I keeps the "p." and the number together—it prevents them from pbreaking apart if they happen to come at the end of a line. If you don't like it, feel free to revert it—I don't believe there's a guideline that mandates them. Curly Turkey ¡gobble! 21:20, 20 March 2015 (UTC)