Talk:Norteños

Santa Rita Rules
Only way this could make it onto the wiki page is first, if it is sourced, and second if it is summed up in one paragraph, in correct english. Though references could be made within the article to the original text if necessary for context.

Also keep in mind the rules on edit warring and WP:3RR.Helixweb (talk) 07:17, 21 March 2008 (UTC)

re : santa rita
That why i did not revert it. Im kinda new to the editing thing. so when I checked it I realized it had no reference. whats edit warring ? Sickero (talk) 09:30, 21 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Hi Sickero, edit warring is what you and 74.228.158.68 were doing, reverting each other's edits repeatedly without discussing on the talk page or working towards consensus. If you guys both do that, the article suffers and consensus is never reached. In regards to the santa rita rules, if you have a source for it, I would definitely recommend putting it in, but I would summarize it, instead of just pasting the whole thing into the article. Thanks and please let me know if you have any other questions.Helixweb (talk) 18:31, 21 March 2008 (UTC)

fuck all you gossiping skandocious piece of shit ass snitches putting all of us solid structured homeboys on blast like that just remember snitches always die unforgivin puro NORTE CALIFAS EAST SIDE POROS TULARE COUNTY por vida

homie, wiki only lists what is common knowledge. they will never know what goes on underground, especially if wiki has to have shit cited all the time - there is no proof of what does not exist you feel. keep trucha eNe --Azteca Imperio 21:44, 9 November 2009 (UTC)

Dont edit
The HHP found at the Santa Rita Jail. This is exactly as I found them and I feel making the rules in a list detracts from the orignal form.


 * I only put it in a list. The text is not changed and is onkly wikified. The sloppy list makes people confused, but nested bullets clear things up. Feel free to discuss things on my talk page if you have any questions or comments. &mdash; Stevey7788 (talk) 22:05, 8 May 2005 (UTC)

However putting them up as a list detracts fromthe overall presentation. One reason I put it up is because of the spelling and grammar errors. It's the real deal, made by a Norteno gang member for other Norteno gang members. All of the HHPs I have found are like this and I feel they should be kept like this.

Wikkifing something isnt always the why it should be. People who look for information here deserve the information as it is, raw data. That is why they look here and not the online World Book or Britanicia. Info here is gathered by those who know.


 * The data isn't changed. The list makes it easier to read, and nothing is changed. However, there will be no more wikifying of the list. &mdash; Stevey7788 (talk) 20:24, 1 August 2005 (UTC)

Moving page/NPOV
The largest prison gang in the United States is La EME, the rivals of these guys. Thts a fact. When I researched this Surenos or the Mexican Mafia is located in every state Penetentiary. I think this page should be moved to Norteños for consistency with Sureños. In its plural form, there's no need for it to be disambiguated.

Also, is "the biggest, strongest, most notorious prison gang" NPOV? &mdash;Wiki Wikardo Yes that is definitely a neutral point of view. It is the most organized, but thats it. Who ever said all that about it?

Norteños asta la muerte step into our basrios you better pop a cuete —Preceding unsigned comment added by 205.155.216.39 (talk) 21:54, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

That is not true the number 1 gang in prison out of most of the United states would have to be the Arybian Brotherhood. I found a site that shows what gang resides there and which ones are in prison; the Arybian Brotherhood showed up in almost every jail in almost all 50 states.--Sureno-thug13 15:21, 20 September 2007 (UTC)

The Arubian Brotherhood might be the number one gang, but what he was saying is that the North Side gang is more organized. When they say organize they mean, members know whats going on and that they have rules, policies, etc. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 63.3.14.1 (talk) 02:59, 14 October 2007 (UTC)

Clothing?
.ALL FLAMED UP IN RED IZ WUT I DO $K ALL DAY EVEVRYDAY $CRAPA$ COME TO NORTHERN CALIFA$ AND SEE WUT HAPPENDS TO YOU:: —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.234.67.6 (talk) 17:44, 26 February 2009 (UTC)

"Settrippin" or set tripping is when members of a gang fight eachother. S7T8U9 (talk) 13:06, 7 March 2020 (UTC)

SETRIPPIN
"4.AT NO TIME WILL ANY N. ENDULGE IN ANY HOMOSEXUAL ACTIVITY, SEX PLAY, HORSE PLAY, SETRIPPIN, INDIVIDUALISM, OR HOMEBOY FAVORITISM." Any ideas on what "SETRIPPIN" means?

I think it means to disgrace another homeboy in the same "set" or "click" because bringing another homeboy down is like saying that you are better than the whole gang.--Sureno-thug13 15:16, 20 September 2007 (UTC)

"set-trippin" is disrespecting somebody else's hood/gang. For example if you are from a big city in Northern Califas you wouldn't say that a smaller city in Northern Califas sucks. It also means that if you have "funk" with another gang on the streets it's dropped in jail and there is a truce between those members. You are allied in jail and you don't disrespect your carnales in anyway.

Cinik1--Cinik1 (talk) 13:16, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

Scrapas,rats
Where did the insult Sraps meaning Surenos come from?

CUZ THEY RAT IF THEY GET COUGHT$K

Scraps are something you dont need anymore. Other than that, not sure. Thunderlippps 10:37, 6 October 2007 (UTC) --64.234.67.6 (talk) 17:39, 26 February 2009 (UTC)

The only official color is red, right?
I'm not sure if the Norte XIV colors are red and black or just straight red. Red/Black is the traditional combination, possibly in responce to surenos using blue/white (I'm not sure if its related at all, but these color schemes also ironically mirror the prison alliances). But any Red at all combined with any other color (even blue) is Blood/Norteno. Surenos and crips are tradionally not allowed to wear red for any reason. Although I have seen crip friendly females in the north wear red, and crips outside of california wearing red undies, both as a sign of disrespect. Thunderlippps 04:21, 14 October 2007 (UTC)
 * It's red but black can be addedGerman16rs 17:51, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

NORTENOS WERE RED BLACK AND BROWN SURENOES WERE BLUE GRAY AND BROWN. BROWN IS FOR BROWN PRIDE —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.91.98.33 (talk) 05:32, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

Well I always tend to forget that the pacific islanders from hawaii are also asians (or at least they claim so, so it is what it is). Taking that into account there are also many samoan blood gangs. But whether they have ever allied with norte's I cant say, although I doubt it. As far as I know the Norte's are closer to the pinoys because they are part spanish (Pinoy's are also close to the surenos for the same reason EG: killer mike) and the samoans seem generally closer to the black gangs and possibley not as interested in latino gang alliances. Plus I understand that the pinoys and the samoans tend to be rivals, which probley makes it difficult for any significant alliance between latino gangs and the samoan crips/bloods. Thunderlippps 13:53, 11 November 2007 (UTC)

KEEP IT SIMPLE.... RED IS NORTH BLUE IS SOUTH —Preceding unsigned comment added by ORREC1 (talk • contribs) 01:10, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

Should be common knowledge that the Norteno colors are red, white, grey and black. No brown in the Norteno color codes. Surenos are Grey and Blue. Nortenos can be brown pride and may wear brown, but that is not the official color. Some sets may differ in the order; such as red and black, or red and white - however red is the main color as blue is the main color for surenos. As for alliances - again, it depends on which set you are talking about. Some Norteno sets are allied with Bloods, some are allied with Crips. Although, it's widely known that Nortenos and Crips have a much stronger gang alliance than any other. The Crip and Norteno alliance supporters will typically claim C14: Both Crip, and Norte. However, there is a territorial agreement. Crips on Norteno turf are not allowed to flash their blue rags. It's all politics. Azteca Imperio 06:52, 31 October 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Aztecas Califas (talk • contribs)

Nortenos are red bruh jus red Activehomeboy305 (talk) 03:23, 10 November 2020 (UTC)

Nortenos and surenos online
The POV statement that norteno affiliates and norteno discussion is more prevalent online than other gangs discussion appears to be discounted via a simple google search for results. keyword sureno resulted in 888,000 results. Keyword Norteno resulted in 555.000 results (and no pictures). keywords "sureno, gang" resulted in 62,900. while "norteno,gang" results were 34,600. (results for "crip", 1,960,000) Thunderlippps 03:58, 14 October 2007 (UTC) red is the only color that northerners us e we odnt use any other colors to signify who we are and in point northerns try to keep lowkey so most northerners will not wear it at all 192.8.64.165 (talk) 22:07, 1 April 2008 (UTC)GRNEYEZ408SJ192.8.64.165 (talk) 22:07, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

~SMILEY~ YOU KNOW A COUPLE SURENO GANGS WEAR RED TO, LIKE CULVER CITY 13 AND I THINK EAST SIDE WILMAS DOES TO. THEY BANG RED AND BLUE. I DONT GET IT, I THINK ITS THERE CITYS COLOR, LIKE MY CLICKA BANGS GREEN AND BLUE. IM FROM THAT SS360LILXVALLEY GANG! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.168.5.229 (talk) 22:28, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

NORTHERN ORGANIZED RAZA TILE ETERNITY, FUCK ALL HATER ASS FUKIN SCRAPENOS

allies/enemies
Should the list of allies and enemies list where the gangs are based or where they are actively allied or against Nortenos? Listing where they are from would be simpler and easier to verify, but I think listing where they are allied or not is more significant. Of course for some gangs like the folks or crips, listing an alliance can be nebulous and confusing because they are sometimes enemies and sometimes allied depending on the situation. Thunderlippps 15:00, 11 November 2007 (UTC)

Actually Norteños, traditional rivals re the mexican mafia and sur 13 or surenos. you can count the aryan brotherhood or the nlr, the peni skins. other than that its fir game. only if you can cite your info.

hint this info is easily cited.Sickero (talk) 20:10, 24 March 2008 (UTC).

SIMON 3SE CASP3R —Preceding unsigned comment added by 204.129.111.21 (talk) 19:18, 24 October 2008 (UTC)

Bloods are not in an alliance with Nortenos. Wa Ching, i am not sure. Folks & peoples are not either. Like i said, Latin Kings have a better shot at being in an alliance with Nortenos than Bloods do. The Crip-Norte alliance was established in prison; politics. Bloods.... maybe some sets, but definately not anywhere known. Regardless, references were not added to the alliances so i removed them (again). try citing them, since i had to work my ass off to find a reliable source to cite C-14 - do the same. --67.166.89.137 (talk) 23:56, 17 November 2009 (UTC)

I live in a town where Norteños completely run this. They don't make friends easily, due to money. There are 3 sets of blood gangs, and they only get along with 1. They get along with Asians as well, but that's about it. They've killed skraps, bloods, and crips. They stand alone because they can, they are big in numbers and smart. Ninerempiire (talk) 18:59, 6 November 2015 (UTC)

nortenos vs surenos
according to sources the deadly feud between northern gangsters and southern gangsters have been stretched back to the 1950 or 1960s between mexicans wether it be first second or third generations they have always had some kind of a presence. unlike new york which had its gangs since almost the beggining of time has always had its different ethnicities. in the movie gangs of new york we see that the gangs divided themselves becasue security was a factor and that meant jobs etc. there were the irish, germans, "natives", scottish,italians, jews etc. and this was a reason it caused so much conflict between them. in california we have a state that was admitted 31st in the u.s. from mexicans. california is one of about a handful of states bordering a "third world" country. third world countries are in a very bad shape. yet the u.s. is not a 2nd or 1st world country but the most powerul country in the world and with such an easy access to it not seen anywhere else because there is no other 3rd world country in the back yard as this one bordering it. its basically a first come first served situation. now in 2009 we are seeing a much much more diverse situation and mexicans, mexican americans, chicanos, natives, and latinos or whatever are stil the dominant force on the streets. when a hispanic goes to jail in california he has to decide wether to sit with mexicans, orxican americans (northener/ southerner). there is no i will sit here because im a central american, south american. it just doesnt work that way because of the issue of these two different yet so close countries. this is another reason we see this "wall/ fence" between the two nations. the predominant hispanic in the west is without a doubt mexican rooted people. the u.s. has a censory data agenda to update every other year or so and it is not always correct. mexico probably does the same and there are some parts where it is totally unknown. there are so many ethnicities in mexico: from south and central amricas to far east asians, middle easterns, europeans, and blacks. in california, the gangs are predominantly black, white, asian, and mexican. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ptolemy vega (talk • contribs) 03:24, 19 January 2009 (UTC)

Nortenoz From Da 509 Yaktown XIV TILL ETERNITY
lA rAZA gANG Clown Boy Nortenos keep the streets on lock out here in central washington oh yeah and fuck srapas

Crip Norteno Alliance C-14
I referenced the fact that Crips are in an alliance with Nortenos. Some Bloods are, but to be honest Nortenos get along with Crips a lot more than Bloods. This is due to the fact that they share the same color, and Nortenos have been sportin red long before Bloods. Since my previous unreferenced Crip alliance edit was removed, I have removed other alliances that are not only false, but unreferenced. We are not allies with Bloods, it was never established, it will never be established. There are only small sets that get along with Bloods, but never officially established in prison. We get along with Latin Kings more than Bloods, and LK used to align with Surenos - that says enough.

I have it cited, do not remove it again. If you do not discuss this issue before editing, I will revert it back to my previous edits. --Azteca Imperio 21:56, 9 November 2009 (UTC)

Top-Knot Mongol haircut
Yes, a LOT of Nortenos have what is called a "Mongol". It is basically a top-knot, long, braided ponytail sticking out from the back of their shaved head. One of the more popular Norteno rappers "Big Tone" has one as well. It is more common in Central Valley, California and Yakima, Washington than anywhere else. It signifies ultimate loyalty, it takes years to grow out long so naturally anyone who has a Mongol (such as myself) would rather die than have it cut off. It's also a sign of respect. Nortenos who see that will instantly show you respect because you have to EARN that Mongol, you cant just grow it. There are a few white-boy norteno wannabe sets that immitate this style, but they get put in their place when confronted.

It's hard to cite this information since it is not on a website that connects Mongols (top-knot) to Nortenos. You can find a lot of Nortenos with this hair-style on websites such as Myspace or Facebook, MSN Groups, or even Google Images if you look hard enough - other than that, they are mostly seen on the street rather than the internet.

Actually just found a website that listed it. http://nortenos-14.com/ -- 7th paragraph. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Aztecas Califas (talk • contribs) 22:08, 9 November 2009 (UTC)

here's a picture of what a topknot Mongol looks like http://www.halloweenstreet.com/images/product/59281.jpg -- although, not as far up the head, it's more in the back of the head where the braided hair hangs down. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Aztecas Califas (talk • contribs) 22:21, 9 November 2009 (UTC)


 * Wikipedia requires reliable references. That excludes Myspace pages, and sites that are simply mirrors of Wikipedia (sites that simply pull information straight from Wikipedia, and often times they are using already unreferenced text).


 * If you want to add content to the article, it needs to be properly referenced, which generally includes articles on reputable news websites. If it's that hard to cite a source for something, that means that it's more than likely not encyclopedic in the first place. 74.248.93.61 (talk) 15:36, 11 November 2009 (UTC)

There is no evidence that the website used as a "mirror of a mirror website" is in fact a mirror website. Especially considering the fact that Wiki does not have the mirrored information. Furthermore, this article has a lot of misinformation based on uncredible sources, yet the references are in tact. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.166.89.137 (talk) 20:33, 14 November 2009 (UTC)


 * You can do a quick comparison of this Wiki as it was today, and as it was before the Nortenos-14 site was created, and see that they literally copied from Wikipedia word for word:

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Norte%C3%B1os&action=historysubmit&diff=326198519&oldid=224193158


 * It's a mirror site, they copied text word for word from Wikipedia. 74.248.93.61 (talk) 18:36, 16 November 2009 (UTC)

weird. there are other references provided by nortenos-14.com (among other sister sites sharing the same host), so i assumed it to be legit to use [as a ref].--67.166.89.137 (talk) 23:52, 17 November 2009 (UTC)

I live in L.A and on Washington and Western. C-14 are allies with the Bloods mainly on part by the Rollin 20 Bloods and some members live in eachother's territory and the alliance other than because they both where red, they both fight 18st who is at war with both gangs. Crips and C-14 are allies as well mainly do to the fact they both dislike certain Sur gangs like Harpies, the more racist 18st gangs and notabley F-13. They been allies/friends way bacc before the racist thing sprung up. As of Now yes Crips and Norte are more closer then bloods because of old friendships and same enemies but Bloods are pretty close to the too.

Wah Ching are allied with Norte but not as high as the Crips and Bloods. They both dislike sur gangs with Wah Ching especially hating MS-13 for encroaching on Koreatown outskirts. They do have drug deals also. Wah Ching is also just to note allied with Crips and Bloods both in the streets and in jail mainly because they are often targets from La Eme and the Aryans. Back to Norte, Wah Ching is territorial and low kee so they aren't very close to the 14s as with others. Now in jail they might still ok with eachother but I don't qiute know.

Rollin 20 NBH Bloods, BPS, Fruit Town Brims, C-14, Rollin 30 Harlem Crips and Wah Ching fight alot of common enemies such as Playboys-13(Minus Crips), Harpies-13, Drifters-13 and Mid City Stoners(Minus Crips). You don't believe wat I posted come to my hood and see yourself —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.94.173.73 (talk) 08:38, 7 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Insteresting....and completely irrelevant without a reliable source. Even with one, it doesn't sound useful. The article is to talk about the group as a whole, not what different sets do. This is an encyclopedia, not a newspaper. Niteshift36 (talk) 13:45, 7 May 2010 (UTC)

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Nortenos & Crips aren't rivals
There's also Nortenos sets in Mexico Arthur89G (talk) 19:40, 5 March 2016 (UTC)

There's Norteno sets in Mexico, Don't edit
Don't edit Arthur89G (talk) 19:48, 5 March 2016 (UTC)

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Sureno and Norteno alliance
Not sure why this hasn't been added, but the Surenos and Nortenos have had a truce in the prison systems as of 2011. It's part of the End To Hostilities Act, which involved a permanent truce and hunger strike in order to release the Big Homies from solitary confinement. This was successful, and the truce is still on, which also includes the Aryan Brotherhood and what's left of the Black Gorilla Family. S7T8U9 (talk) 13:13, 7 March 2020 (UTC)

Misleading title
This should probably be moved to Norteños (gangs), as the term Norteño itself is usually used for someone that's from Northern Mexico or even the Southwestern United States, its even a term for a Regional Mexican music genre Norteño (music). The default connotation for Norteños is most certainly not solely the gang. 71.228.115.97 (talk) 22:42, 5 April 2021 (UTC)

Inconsistent territory border
This article states: " The statewide north–south dividing line between Norteños and Sureños has roughly been accepted as Bakersfield, California." The Sureños article states: "The statewide north-south dividing line between Norteños and Sureños has roughly been accepted as the cities of Salinas and Fresno." I understand this isn't a scientific fact, so maybe it's better to just remove mention of this boundary from both articles. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.47.20.47 (talk) 20:03, 5 June 2022 (UTC)


 * I just noticed this, too. The articles they cite, neither give the borderline city. RyanDanielst (talk) 22:52, 13 June 2022 (UTC)

Insignia
I cut a strange unsourced discussion of 13th st and 38th st gang colors (blue), different southern california gangs that have nothing to do with the red of Norteños Desqjockey (talk) 21:01, 28 September 2022 (UTC)

GTA References
Why are Los Santos and San Andreas listed here from the GTA game? Weird. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:644:4483:4850:F518:8A16:95:DA9E (talk) 18:48, 14 November 2022 (UTC)