Talk:North–South railway (Vietnam)

History of the Trans Indo-China Railway
I have seen several attemps to create ( by American, Australian, Austrian, British, Canadian, French, and German experts a complete locomotive list of the steam and diesel locomotives which have been working on this line. Non of them complete.

One mystery is the Kenia - Uganda Railway Garratt locomotives sold to French Indo-China in 1939. Also the German locomotive builder of Hanomag from Hannover delivered three classes of steam locomotives ( according their factory catalogue ) to Cambodia, but these locomotives seems to have gone later to the Trans Indo-China Railway. Then came the Japanese in June 1940 and many Japanese Imperial State Railways tank locomotives were regauged in Hainan Island ( Samah Motive Power Depot ) from 1067 mm ( 3ft 6in ) Cape gauge to one meter ( 1000 mm ) standard French Colonial Railway gauge and were shipped to Tonkin. These Japanese steam locomotives appeared only after April 1941 in French Indo China ( Tonkin ), but not in Annam or Cochin-China. Then there is a mystery of Burma Railways Garratt type locomotives used at Mandalay - Lashio branch line, which according to one Japanese source, were transfered in 1942 to either Hanoi - Nanning or Trans Indo-China Railway. Then the Imperial Japanese Southern Army`s Railway Department ( allocated then in Sai-Gon ) transfered some steam locomotives from Malaya, and Dutch East India to Cambodia, Siam, and the French Indo-China. All this form one of the last unsolved questions; which locomotives actually where allocated there. Even the French do not know the answer. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.115.118.82 (talk) 15:59, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

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The result of the move request was: page moved. It's still unclear whether or not parentheses should be used here, but they seem to be inline with disambiguator guidelines at least. Feel free to discuss this more if needed. Regards,   A rbitrarily 0    ( talk ) 01:39, 22 July 2010 (UTC)

North-South Railway, Vietnam → North–South Railway (Vietnam) — A combination of WP:ENDASH and WP:NCDAB. --dragfyre_ ʞןɐʇ c 19:55, 14 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment I have no problem with the WP:ENDASH aspect.  Placing Vietnam in paretheses is more problematic.  Generally, practice is mixed over whether such disambiguators should use the comma format or the parentheses format, perhaps because the guidelines at Disambiguation are a little unclear.  They state:
 * ''A disambiguating word or phrase can be added in parentheses. The word or phrase in parentheses should be:
 * the generic class (avoiding proper nouns, as much as possible) that includes the topic, as in Mercury (element), Seal (mammal); or
 * the subject or context to which the topic applies, as in Union (set theory), Inflation (economics).''
 * They also state:
 * With place-names, if the disambiguating term is a higher-level administrative division, it is often separated using a comma instead of parentheses, as in Windsor, Berkshire.
 * Many editors/readers simply don't like the parentheses format when the disambiguator is a place name. It may be better to leave it in the form it is.  Skinsmoke (talk) 21:00, 14 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment Perhaps, but the way I read it, it clearly seems more appropriate to use the brackets here since we're not talking about administrative divisions: "North-South Railway" is not a province of Vietnam. See Red River for examples: Red River (Asia) for the river that runs through Hanoi, but Red River, New Mexico for the town-level subdivision of New Mexico. A town is an administrative division; rivers and railways are not. --dragfyre_ ʞןɐʇ c 21:30, 14 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment Nobody doubts that a railway (North–South Railway) is not an administrative division, but a country (Vietnam) is.  Rivers are dealt with by a different naming convention, and should use parentheses.  Skinsmoke (talk) 01:35, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment Argh, OK, I see what you mean. I was getting stuck on the words "disambiguator"/"the disambiguating term". I guess I wasn't properly disambiguated. --dragfyre_ ʞןɐʇ c 01:46, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Nice one! Skinsmoke (talk) 07:20, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
 * --dragfyre_ ʞןɐʇ c 14:43, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment FYI, to the closing admin, I'll be happy with only the WP:ENDASH fix as per Skinsmoke's suggestion. --dragfyre_ ʞןɐʇ c 21:08, 21 July 2010 (UTC)


 * Support. A railway is not an administrative unit or constituent part of a state.  Normal dab rules should apply.  —   AjaxSmack   21:18, 21 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment I still agree with this, but I'm so confused now I don't really care either way anymore :D Maybe it's worth starting a thread to amend/clarify the disambiguation policy? --dragfyre_ ʞןɐʇ c 21:29, 21 July 2010 (UTC)
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Under development
FYI, I'm currently working on this page in my sandbox. --dragfyre_ ʞןɐʇ c 10:11, 28 January 2011 (UTC)

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