Talk:North American Piedmontese

Tweaks in the prose
User:7&amp;6=thirteen, just wanted to acknowledge your exceptional collaboration in helping to make this article even better. Your work is appreciated. I added periods before the superscript because it looks better, but if such punctuation doesn't meet protocol, feel free to delete them. I made a few tweaks to the prose, and it appears we may be developing a GA candidate. . Atsme  &#9775;  Consult  15:36, 24 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the acknowledgement. That's what I do.  It helps to have a really good article to begin.  I agree, this is well on its way to GA.  7&amp;6=thirteen (☎) 16:41, 24 December 2014 (UTC)
 * FYI, the strategic move of text from the body to a footnote dropped Earwig's evaluation down by 5%. Currently at 31.5%, listed as "unlikely" for the edit #639497924.  7&amp;6=thirteen (☎) 18:32, 24 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Love how this article is evolving. I do so appreciate the unlimited possibilities of GF collaboration.  Atsme  &#9775;  Consult  20:02, 24 December 2014 (UTC)
 * A fresh pair of eyes, hands, a spare brain and some additional research — and pretty soon you've got something. There is a synergy, synthesis and analysis that is lacking when one is the sole editor.  7&amp;6=thirteen (☎) 20:10, 24 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Question: is there any way to make the "breed box" more balanced, particularly the measurement column? It looks strange so far over to the right.  <span style="text-shadow:#F8F8FF 0.1em 0.1em 0.4em,#F2CEF2 -0.4em -0.4em 0.6em,#90EE90 0.8em 0.8em 0.6em;color:#E6FFFF"><span style="text-shadow:#F8F8FF 0.1em 0.1em 0.4em,#F2CEF2 -0.4em -0.4em 0.6em,#90EE90 0.8em 0.8em 0.6em;color:#E6FFFF">Atsme  &#9775;  Consult  01:59, 25 December 2014 (UTC)

<b style="color:#060">7&amp;6=thirteen</b> (<b style="color:#000">☎</b>) 19:21, 25 December 2014 (UTC)
 * I think you are stuck with the current format of the infobox - to change the format would mean changing the format of very many articles - Template:Infobox cattle breed is a sub class of Template:Infobox animal breed which is a sub class of Template:Infobox. To change Template:Infobox would probably change every article in Wikipedia. <b style="border:1px solid #dfdfdf;color:green; padding:1px 3px;background:#FFD">Ron h jones </b>(Talk) 20:04, 25 December 2014 (UTC)

Questions

 * Why do we say that there are 2000 of these animals in the USA when the Piedmontese Association of the United States says it registers 12000 (not that it is a reliable source for that number)?


 * Why is the myostatin deficiency in this breed described as "unique" when it is known in many other breeds, most notoriously the Belgian Blue? Is it a different gene? (yes, the statement is sourced to OSU; unfortunately that source has been found, again and again, to be far from reliable).


 * Why is there no discussion of calving difficulty here, or data on the proportion of births that require Caesarian section?


 * Why do we include one person's speculation on the zebuine origin of this breed? There is an almost infinite number of silly and/or outdated theories about where cattle came from, how they are related etc (see, e.g., Felius 2011 for discussion); what we need to report here is factual material from reliable modern scientific sources.


 * Crucially, is there any evidence whatsoever that this breed actually exists? There is of course a North American Piedmontese Association, but is that an association of breeders of North American Piedmontese cattle, or a North American association of breeders of Piedmontese cattle? Can anyone point to an academic or official source that uses this name? It's not reported to DAD-IS by the USDA, it isn't in the latest edition of Mason.


 * … and (sorry, but it seems a necessary question) does any contributor here have any connection to that association? Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 12:09, 17 February 2017 (UTC)


 * Why does it seem a necessary question to ask if any contributor has a connection?
 * Why don't you just edit the article instead of asking why something wasn't done, and cite it to the reliable sources that support the statement?
 * If you have an issue with an academic source that was found to be unreliable, please provide the supporting documentation so it can be reviewed. <span style="text-shadow:#F8F8FF 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em,#F4BBFF -0.2em -0.3em 0.6em,#BFFF00 0.8em 0.8em 0.6em; color:#A2006D;">Atsme 📞📧 13:27, 17 February 2017 (UTC)