Talk:North Carolina Highway 241

Self Published Source
I promise to god I didn't publish that source.--Ncchild (talk) 02:30, 25 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks, but that doesn't matter. Wikipedia wants reliable sources from publishers that exercise "editorial oversight". The editors at a normal book publisher, or the editors at a reputable newspaper, oversee the books and articles they publish. They take on a level of responsibility for what is published because they could be sued if they published something untrue. A roadgeek publishing his own personal website, when he isn't considered an expert by other reliable sources, doesn't have that same reputation like a book publisher or newspaper. That's why policy here doesn't allow most self-published sources. (Note, some books can be self-published, see vanity press.)  Imzadi 1979  →   03:28, 25 November 2013 (UTC)

Stub
I'm going to put this on all my STUB pages but if the person who rated this would please explain why this ranked STUB it would be appreciated. I would like the advice to help the article grow in the future. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ncchild (talk • contribs) 22:39, 25 November 2013 (UTC)
 * As I noted on another article's talk page, USRD uses the "Big 3" to determine assessments. If an article has only one (or none) of the Big 3 present, it's a Stub-Class article. If that article has two of them, it's a Start. For C-Class or B-Class, it has to have all 3, and for B, it has to be pretty complete and decently sourced. The Big 3 are the Route description, the History and the junction list sections.
 * As for why this one is only a stub, it might have to do with the fact that the article is poorly written and badly formatted. In that case, we don't always count each section.  Imzadi 1979  →   22:53, 25 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Don't take offense to it, you simply don't have all the information here yet and need to do some more clean-up so the wiki Gods will be proud. Add a 'junction list' in the article and try to resolve the issues, then request a reassessment. --WashuOtaku (talk) 22:59, 25 November 2013 (UTC)

Fixed Units
I fixed the SL Units request--Ncchild (talk) 22:57, 25 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Kinda. You should use convert for that sort of thing, but if you are going to do it manually, you need to know that most units are not capitalized. Also, when you fix an issue with a tag, you can untag the article. There is no rule saying the person who did the original tagging has to do that; on fact the original tagger probably won't be watching to do that.  Imzadi 1979  →   00:52, 26 November 2013 (UTC)

MOS issues
So that Ncchild (and anyone else reading this talk page) can learn, I'll list some of the MOS-related things that should be changed. I hope this helps.  Imzadi 1979  →   01:14, 26 November 2013 (UTC)
 * 1) Per MOS:HEAD, section headings on Wikipedia are written in "Sentence case", not "Title Case". This means that only the first word in a header is capitalized unless proper nouns are used. The "d" in "Route description" is never supposed to be capitalized.
 * 2) Also according to MOS:HEAD, we don't repeat the subject of the article in headings, nor do we use "the" where possible. The two subheadings in the History section can be just "First routing" and "Second routing". (Note that the "r" in "routing" is also not capitalized.)
 * 3) The first sentence should have the subject of the article identified (it does), and that subject should appear in boldface text. Double check some of the other articles to see if they would spell out "North Carolina Highway 241", but if they do, this one should start "North Carolina Highway (NC 241) is ...". The rest of that sentence needs to define what "NC 241" is. Something like "North Carolina Highway (NC 241) is a state highway in Duplin and Lenoir counties in the the U.S. state of North Carolina." See how I defined it as a highway and where it is located?
 * 4) (Really, they need to have the full name or the articles should be retitled "NC 241 (North Carolina highway)" like M-28 is M-28 (Michigan highway) because M-28 isn't an abbreviation.)
 * 5) "lifespan of 1 year" whole numbers 1 through 9 are spelled out, so that should be "lifespan of one year". The number 10 and higher can be in numeral form.
 * 6) "3rd" same sort of thing, that should be "third" although the abbreviation like that is fine in references, tables, etc.
 * 7) This article is woefully underlinked. In fact, there are no wikilinks in the prose, yet I'm seeing cities, counties, other highways, etc. that all should be linked.
 * 8) The south and north need to be changed to capitalize those terms. The template uses those words exactly as the labels in the infobox, and if they aren't capitalized, then they don't match "Length:" and "Existed" or the other labels.

Copy editing
Some sentences should be tweaked a little. The article is a good start, but the history of the current version of NC 241 needs to be added, a junction list needs to be added, and the prose just needs to be reworded a bit to improve it.  Imzadi 1979  →   01:26, 26 November 2013 (UTC)
 * 1) "NC 241 is a very straight road." That implies an opinion (the "vary" part), and we have to have a source for any opinions like that. Saying "NC 241 is a straight road" is good enough.
 * 2) "and dives into the country" Roads don't "dive".
 * 3) "The road ran a concurrency with NC 24" how about "The road ran concurrently with NC 24"? Also, you'll need to link "ran concurrently" to concurrency (road) because that's not a common term for a lot of non-roadgeeks.
 * 4) "NC 241 dissolved in 1934 when US 501 was assigned that route" roads aren't dissolved. The designation can be decommissioned or deleted. The designation can be changed, etc, but the road, the physical roadway, wasn't dissolved.

Southern Terminus
I was trying to do some minor upgrades to the article before I flag it for a reassessment of "Stub" status. However, I cannot get a clear indication of where NC 241 has its southern terminus. This article says at NC 24 in Beulaville, which is supported by a directional sign at the NC 24 intersection that indicates "NORTH 241" (according to Google Streetview). However, another sign just south of the NC 41/NC 111 intersection shows "End NC 241" (link below). I also am having trouble with the route change log from NCDOT. It shows the April 1, 1971 log as having the establishment of NC 241 on it, but I cannot find it. Maybe I am just overlooking it.

Link to the End NC 241 sign: https://www.google.com/maps/@34.9279413,-77.7725316,3a,15y,223.61h,85.13t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sdhICWmeRzofkvQApVauTTA!2e0!6s%2F%2Fgeo2.ggpht.com%2Fcbk%3Fpanoid%3DdhICWmeRzofkvQApVauTTA%26output%3Dthumbnail%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26thumb%3D2%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D358.06564%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i13312!8i6656 --Ncchild (talk) 04:46, 9 January 2021 (UTC)