Talk:North Eastern Railway (United Kingdom)

Electrified Lines
I've cleaned this up and removed the numerous factual errors eg. petrol-electric nonsense and the erroneous geographical data, viz. the scheme did not run Central to Central in 1904 as implied by the original text.

Further work needed includes the Shildon and Newport scheme and Newcastle and York. If no one else is interested I'll complete the rest in due course. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Pandondene (talk • contribs) 19:49, 15 March 2011 (UTC)
 * The information on the NER petrol-electric railcars may have been misplaced, but it certainly isn't "nonsense". I suggest that you read the following:
 * where we find that the sentence that you removed, ie "The first experimental cars were built in 1903." is basically true, provided you follow the link to 1903 Petrol Electric Autocar. It also shows that these two bogie vehicles were very similar in design to the Tyneside electric stock, except that they had a petrol engine and dynamo driving the two traction motors. They were used in the Scarborough and Billingham areas. -- Red rose64 (talk) 20:57, 15 March 2011 (UTC)
 * where we find that the sentence that you removed, ie "The first experimental cars were built in 1903." is basically true, provided you follow the link to 1903 Petrol Electric Autocar. It also shows that these two bogie vehicles were very similar in design to the Tyneside electric stock, except that they had a petrol engine and dynamo driving the two traction motors. They were used in the Scarborough and Billingham areas. -- Red rose64 (talk) 20:57, 15 March 2011 (UTC)

The heading of this article deals with electrification schemes on the North Eastern Railway. If you are so keen to see experimental hybrid vehicles covered, then please start a new section. And yes, I'm aware of the references you provided and I still don't see the relevancy to this article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Pandondene (talk • contribs) 10:15, 16 March 2011 (UTC)
 * No, the heading of this article is "North Eastern Railway (UK)". A mention of NER petrol-electric railcars is therefore valid in this article. It might not be relevant to the section headed "Electrified lines", but that doesn't mean that it should be deleted - merely moved to somewhere more relevant.
 * Also, please remember to sign your posts to talk pages. -- Red rose64 (talk) 13:29, 16 March 2011 (UTC)

So I take it that despite your face-saving, pedantic flannel, you are happy to see the removal of petrol-electric railcars from Electrified Lines. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Pandondene (talk • contribs) 17:28, 17 March 2011 (UTC)

A.Kaye Butterworth
Who is this General manager mentioned below? And is it an NER ship?Smiley.toerist (talk) 17:35, 21 May 2016 (UTC)
 * It's probably not an NER ship; I think that it's the SS Duke of Clarence, which was owned by the Lancashire and Yorkshire Railway and transferred from Fleetwood, in order to operate the newly-introduced service between Hull, Zeebrugge and Bruges which commenced on 2 June 1906. -- Red rose64 (talk) 22:33, 21 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Looking more closely, the flag (blue and red quarters, white letters "L" in first quarter and "Y" in fourth) and funnel (yellow with black top and red band) are both correct for a LYR vessel registered at Goole., can you confirm that the ship is indeed the SS Duke of Clarence? -- Red rose64 (talk) 08:30, 22 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Probably the Duke of Clarence, but possibly also Duke of Cornwall. Mjroots (talk) 08:48, 22 May 2016 (UTC)
 * - A. Kaye Butterworth is Sir Alexander Kaye Butterworth (1854-1946). Seems that we are missing an article on Alexander Kaye Butterworth, although we do have one on his son George. Mjroots (talk) 09:01, 22 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Butterworth's obituary was published in The Times of 24 January 1946, p7, col E. Mjroots (talk) 09:07, 22 May 2016 (UTC)
 * I don't think that it's TSS Duke of Cornwall - that ship was based at Fleetwood until 1923, when it was transferred to Heysham (along with the Isle of Man service). As a Fleetwood vessel, the flag would have been red and white halves, with a white rose in the red half, and a red rose in the white half. -- Red rose64 (talk) 09:59, 22 May 2016 (UTC)
 * I've bashed up a short article on Butterworth, taken entirely from his Times obit. Should be plenty of other material available considering he was with GWR and the Railway Executive in his career. Mjroots (talk) 10:04, 22 May 2016 (UTC)
 * I've edited Butterworth (surname) but we still need to his name to the important railway people of the NER. There are chairmans and directors, but where are the managers?Smiley.toerist (talk) 10:35, 22 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Most of the NER officers should be mentioned in
 * except for changes in the 1915-1922 period. -- Red rose64 (talk) 19:05, 22 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Do you have a source for the start of the ferry service in june 1906? In the Port of Hull article is mentioned that the Riverside Quay is only opened in 1907.Smiley.toerist (talk) 10:09, 22 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Of course - I don't make these things up - see
 * which says "upon the completion of the port of Zeebrugge, on 2 June 1906, the LYR began a new service between Hull, Zeebrugge and Bruges for which the Duke of Clarence was transferred from Fleetwood". Later on the same page we find that "trains ran to the new Hull Riverside quay which was brought partially into use on 11 May 1906". -- Red rose64 (talk) 10:17, 22 May 2016 (UTC)
 * which says "upon the completion of the port of Zeebrugge, on 2 June 1906, the LYR began a new service between Hull, Zeebrugge and Bruges for which the Duke of Clarence was transferred from Fleetwood". Later on the same page we find that "trains ran to the new Hull Riverside quay which was brought partially into use on 11 May 1906". -- Red rose64 (talk) 10:17, 22 May 2016 (UTC)
 * which says "upon the completion of the port of Zeebrugge, on 2 June 1906, the LYR began a new service between Hull, Zeebrugge and Bruges for which the Duke of Clarence was transferred from Fleetwood". Later on the same page we find that "trains ran to the new Hull Riverside quay which was brought partially into use on 11 May 1906". -- Red rose64 (talk) 10:17, 22 May 2016 (UTC)

I've expanded Butterworth's article as much as I can from The Times. Mjroots (talk) 17:44, 22 May 2016 (UTC)

N.E.R. Foss Island BR
Is this the Foss Islands branch line? If so, the dates don't add up. It can't have been absorbed in 1862 if it wasn't opened till 1880. Roberttherambler (talk) 14:06, 14 September 2017 (UTC)
 * According to
 * the "York Cattle Market or Foss Islands branch" was opened on 8 December 1879. There is no suggestion that it was absorbed. -- Red rose64 &#x1f339; (talk) 22:18, 14 September 2017 (UTC)
 * the "York Cattle Market or Foss Islands branch" was opened on 8 December 1879. There is no suggestion that it was absorbed. -- Red rose64 &#x1f339; (talk) 22:18, 14 September 2017 (UTC)

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