Talk:North End, Halifax

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There's a lot of bias in this article, being from Halifax myself I know that there are a lot of untruths here on both sides. This needs to be reworded sometime. A lot of the bias is in the Africville section, plus the use of the rhetorical question is completely unencyclopedic. The Chief 05:24, 2 January 2006 (UTC)


 * I agree 100% - the article was IMHO a shambles prior to some edits and remains a pretty poor Wikipedia entry, however most early contributions were maintained for some reason - likely my fault as I was editing for form, not content once upon a time. I'd like to see balance too - any suggestions?  For starters, I would be inclined to remove all of the patronizing/syrupy language about "well-heeled" "Anglo-Saxon" areas, etc.


 * I'd also expand/place more emphasis on the fact that the north end was THE Halifax prior to the explosion (discussion of Richmond should be in much greater detail) - how the central business district was clustered closer to North Street, etc.


 * I'm not trying to shy away from the socio-economic-racial controversies but this issue shouldn't dominate the overall history of the district, and there should be an explanation about how institutions such as industry (Oland's), military (Willow Park, Stad, Dockyard), railway (Nova Scotia Rwy, Intercolonial, CNR), shipyard, port development all played contributing roles to the development of the community we know today. Africville, just like the explosion, was a small but important sub-component to the story about the North End, but there's no need to overemphasize them as they have separate articles (which could also be expanded upon). Plasma east 20:11, 17 January 2006 (UTC)


 * I started it but man its a lot of work. Being POV for a minute, the north end is half/third of the whole urban core.  It is so much history, even without the explosion and africville (being in their own articles).  And then there is the current actual facts (growth, housing starts, income, etc)


 * Downtown has lots of crime too. THat guy got shot in front of reflections and they said "downtown" in both papers, that guy got shot in front of the Marquee and the same papers said "The Marquee Club on Gottingen Street." How do you, NPOV style, say "yeah the city is often really racist."


 * Anyway, one of the things that defines the way old people see the north end is the murder right on gottingen that took place in the late 70s, adn the other is the riot there during the police strike in the 1980s. I will try and add this in tomorrow. WayeMason 03:30, 18 January 2006 (UTC)


 * Looks like we've made a start - I'll leave it to you guys to sort out whether the NPOV tag should be pulled in the next few days now that major edits have been performed. I'll check in next week to provide any possible contributions when I'm back.Plasma east 03:42, 19 January 2006 (UTC)

I am recruiting for the NS project like crazy, maybe we should leave the NPOV tag for a week and hope that some of the other participants do major edits (it no longer sucks, but its not GOOD, thats for sure.) I will try and take a Hydrostone pic today, something like that.WayeMason 13:57, 19 January 2006 (UTC)

Geography
I wonder if the "Geography" section might be more appropriate in the main "Halifax" article, rather than for each neighbourhood. I would expect there would be little difference, and much overlap, between the geography of the South End (for instance) and that of the North End or West End of the peninsula. Consolidating a geographical description (soils, surface features, bodies of water, etc.) and putting it in one place might be more user-friendly. Just a suggestion.--OldCommentator 03:22, 15 February 2006 (UTC)

Citadel Hill is not the highest point on the peninsula. For example, the water tower around the intersection of Robie and Sebastian St. is at an elevation of over 70 meters according to gmaps-pedometer: http://www.gmap-pedometer.com/?r=868675  --207.231.225.8 20:43, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

Boundary
I always though that the boundary between North and South Halifax was on North Street--1190557 22:43, 4 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Nope, north of North Street was the bloomfield farm. You have to imagine Halifax prior to 1800.  The town was just the original grid inside the walls. Blowers Street is so narrow because the wall ran along that street (I think on the South Side).  South End was just south of the town.  the North End started just around Cogswll, probably a slight bit farther south on one of the streets that does not exist anymore.  All the land outside of the old North and South ends and city were all estates or small villages.  You can see that, bits of  farming village up on Bayers Road, the fishing village looking little houses on Grant Street in the far South End.  North of the old North End was Bloomfield (thus the street and the school) and farther north along the shore was Richmond, the town destroyed by the explosion.  the North End absolutely ended south of Richmond, which started around Veith, or slightly south of that, about half way up the dockyard. WayeMason 01:22, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

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Halifax Shipyard/Irving Shipbuilding
The article states "The Halifax Shipyard was built in 1918 beside the Naval Dockyard, further entrenching the industrial character of the North End." this is incorrect, The halifax shipyard was built in 1889 under halifax shipyard graving dock, of which the original graving dock survived the explosion and is still in use today

The article also states; "Irving Shipbuilding, owner of the shipyard, has undertaken a $300 million upgrade of the facility, boasting that Halifax will have "the most modern shipyard in North America"."

This is a misnomer, as it implies Irving solely facilitated the project financing on its own, when in fact, the editors own citation on the matters states; " In March, 2012, the Nova Scotia government provided Irving with $304-million in aid – $260-million is a forgivable loan to help upgrade the yard for the ships and $44-million is to be repaid"

meaning, as per the definition of a forgivable loan, irving was given $260 million and only contributed $44- million to the project. Kabiblehopper (talk) 12:54, 7 March 2024 (UTC)