Talk:North Frisian language

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What does the sample text mean? -- Smerdis of Tlön 14:41, 15 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Caution: I noticed this long before but in my stupidity I remained silent: the samples have been copied from the Nordfriisk Instituut hompepage, and were originally published in a book, where the same children's story is told several times: first in (the original?) German and then in all of the dialects. I am not convinced the NI gave us its permission to use these samples. Caesarion 11:53, 20 August 2005 (UTC)

It was Node ue who added them; let's ask him. Caesarion 11:55, 20 August 2005 (UTC)

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If you're interested in, who wrote this story, here is the link to Hans Christian Andersen, who was a danish writer in the 19th century. But I think you're right, that he wrote in german. Sorry about my mistakes, because, I am german *g*. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hans_Christian_Andersen

mit freundlichen Grüßen Bever78

Just for the record, the samples are from the children's story "Der kleine Häwelmann" by Theodor Storm (I am sure about it, as I have read it to my son countless times and it lies right here before me). The original is in German. Theodor Storm was from Husum, a small town on the North Sea coast where Frisian was given up centuries ago. Storm spoke High German, Danish (as an official in formerly Danish Husum he would have to), Low German (probably his mother tongue) and he must have been familiar with Frisian, too, as he was a judge and had to deal a lot with Frisian speaking folk. But his writing was exclusively in High German. Unoffensive text or character 07:19, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

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I see that the category "Languages of Denmark" contains the North Frisian article. Is this accurate? Is North Frisian spoken at all in Denmark nowadays? The areas this article mentions are all on the German side of the border (though they have been Danish earlier). Should North Frisian maybe be removed from the category "Langages of Denmark"?
 * There isn't anybody left in today's Denmark speaking North Frisian. Frisia (talk) 22:10, 1 February 2008 (UTC)


 * It is not spoken north of the border today, and since the only Frisian place names here are a couple of farm names (Poppenbøl and the like) it was probably limited to these, i.e. there was no broader Frisian-speaking community. It would have been interesting if there had been one - or indeed if there still was one, but no empirical data support this.


 * The book "Friserne – vore glemte forfædre" by Benny Siewertsen cited in the article is completely dilettantish and unscientific. He copied part of the book from the internet and has no knowledge whatsoever about historical, linguistic or archaeological method. It's really sad to see a reference to it here.


 * But since, deplorably, he published this book, it can unfortunately be used as a source, so I'll have to look for a scientific source denouncing him. --Thathánka Íyotake (talk) 14:21, 19 September 2012 (UTC)


 * Look her: Otto S. Knottnerus: De vergeten Friezen - Mislukt pamflet van Benny Siewertsen over een boeiend thema, in: De Vrije Fries 88, Fryske Adademy Leeuwarden 2008, ISBN 978-90-6171-0165. Greetings, --91.32.170.65 (talk) 11:45, 20 May 2016 (UTC)

While Knottnerus's harsh criticism of Siewertsen's book is well justified, it is perhaps worth noting that his own review article is not free of errors. Despite discussing the question at length, it does not give a clear picture of where and when North Frisian was spoken in Southern Jutland. It tacitly assumes that bonfire customs and building style are as valid markers of 'North Frisianhood' as speaking a North Frisian dialect. And when Knottnerus writes (p. 226) that the Dutch (at Store Magleby) on the island of Amager, Copenhagen, were forced to give up their Dutch in favour of Low German due to pressure from Danish authorities, this does not seem to be correct. Their priests were to be German instead of Dutch. These priests from the north of Germany preached in Low German as late as 1813, but their Dutch parishioners were allowed to speak their own language. According to an official Danish website, classes at the school at Store Magleby were in Dutch as late as 1811. In fact Danish only became mandatory throughout the country in 1814 (Velkommen her? Wij spreken Nederlands).

It would be very nice if someone well qualified for the task would write a history of Danish/Frisian (and for that matter Danish/Dutch) relations. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Henryfunk (talk • contribs) 18:10, 14 August 2017 (UTC)

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