Talk:North Indian Ocean tropical cyclone

what was the frist Cyclone to be named? and when?
anyone known when they started to give names, not numbers, to cyclones in India and when? Kanga-Kucha


 * The first officially named cyclone was Severe Tropical Storm Onil in October of 2004. --Hurricanehink ( talk ) 04:45, 17 November 2007 (UTC)

There was Tropical Storm Aurora in 1983 as well, Hink, but it is unknown why that storm was named. 76.235.214.247 (talk) 23:35, 19 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Well, that name was not official. There were names for some Atlantic storms pre-1950, but they weren't official. ♬♩ Hurricanehink ( talk ) 00:49, 20 December 2008 (UTC)

How far back?
Just so we can start the debate, how far back should it go? Is the current format acceptable? I personally thought that this basin deserves its own seasonal articles, so this is what I did. Comments, questions, additions, corrections? Hurricanehink 02:28, 30 October 2005 (UTC)


 * 1985, absolute maximum. There is hardly any information past that time. -- Hurricane Eric - my dropsonde - archive 03:50, 30 October 2005 (UTC)


 * What about the JTWC archive? They have storm info back to the early 80's, so a 1980 cut off date could work. I'm not trying to be disagreeable or anything (remember the Atlantic archive :) ) but there is some info. If we chose a 1980 cut off would it be sufficient to write a sentence or two about the storms with unknown history (just track and dates for Unknown Storm 1), or should those storms be omitted? Also, should we put links to notable North Indian storms that already have articles on the main page that are pre-1980 (like the 1970 Bangladesh cyclone) or leave them as is? Final question (horay!), should 2004+ storms that received names by forecasting agencies other than JTWC have their names in the title? Ogni, for example, was named (can't remember who by off the top of my head), but JTWC called it TS 1A. Sorry for all the questions, just want a general concensus for this basin article.


 * One last thing (not a question). Unisys isn't everything. If they call something Subtropical Cyclone 1, it really means it was a Cyclone. Likewise, if it is Sub Depression 2, it is just a TD. Just thought I'd throw it out. Hurricanehink 13:53, 30 October 2005 (UTC)

Hiya. A couple things:


 * The only storms we have before 1980 are 1970 Bhola cyclone and 1737 Calcutta cyclone. Going back to 1970 might be good.
 * The JTWC hurdat data goes back to 1945. However the further back you go (anything before 1990, it seems) the worse the data is.  Far enough back (~1970) it has no strength info only positions.  See  (User:Jdorje/Tracks).

Jdorje 20:04, 31 October 2005 (UTC)

If it is all right, I am going to make a Pre-1980 North Indian cyclon seasons article. This could cover all the important cyclones in that period. Hurricanehink 14:55, 6 November 2005 (UTC)

Woohoo, it's done! That was really fast, but worth it as the 2nd finished basin. What basin will be finished next??? Hurricanehink 02:54, 12 November 2005 (UTC)

disambiguation ?
Why is this article categorized as a "disambiguation" class ? HERB 00:46, 15 January 2006 (UTC)


 * Uh...good question ;-). I suppose in a way it can serve as a dab, since North Indian cyclone season probably redirects here.  Anyway, whether it's a DAB or not, it needs to be consistent with all the other basin season lists. Jdorje 00:59, 15 January 2006 (UTC)
 * The others are start class so I've changed this to that...--Nilfanion (talk) 20:45, 10 June 2006 (UTC)

Arabian Sea Storms
I was just wondering, since they're so rare, is there anyway of creating a list or category of Arabian Sea Cyclones? Because, it can get confusing and annoying when I try to research them. I always thought that Arabian Sea storms should be some what seperated from the Bay of Bengal.--UltimateDarkloid (talk) 14:34, 7 November 2008 (UTC)

No, they shouldn't be. The reason why is because the Arabian Sea and Bay of Bengal both make up the same basin. In other words, the North Indian Ocean is made up of 2 different bodies of water, so they shouldn't be seperated. Besides, the Arabian Sea isn't always less active than the Bay of Bengal. The seas alternate between activity each season; sometimes the Arabian Sea is more active, and sometimes (though most of the time) the Bay of Bengal is more active .No 2 seasons are exactly alike. There is no "2008 Arabian Sea cyclone season" or "2008 Bay of Bengal cyclone season", because they both have to make up one season because usually, if the Bay of Bengal is active, the Arabian Sea has nothing, and vise versa. 76.235.205.44 (talk) 23:59, 21 November 2008 (UTC)

One-time names?
Why does the IMD use their names sequintially? Why don't they have our kind of list in which the names rotate, or the west Pacific list in which it has no schedule? It just confuses me because it's like retiring an entire list of names each year, whether or not they are signifigant. Why do they have sequential lists? 99.52.153.15 (talk) 03:44, 8 November 2008 (UTC)
 * I dunno, but maybe because they don't have much activity there. On average, only one or two named storms form there per year. --UltimateDarkloid (talk) 08:21, 8 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Sorry, Change that to three-four named per year. But that's still low. I dunno but even the West Pacific and other basins use this type of list. --UltimateDarkloid (talk) 08:25, 8 November 2008 (UTC)

It's a waste of names though, so shouldn't they have a list like the West Pacific, when it starts then goes on endlessly? We won't get a ton of retired names, for real, because storms like 2008's Nargis are rare, and if Nargis was on the West Pacific list, then if it is retired, the replacement name doesn't have to be an "N" name. 99.52.153.15 (talk) 12:39, 8 November 2008 (UTC)

Retiring?
Why doesn't the IMD retire names after seasons like us? Or do they? I think they should retire names if the storm is notable enough. Why don't they retire names? 76.235.205.44 (talk) 23:34, 21 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Because the names are used sequentially and once only. -Ramisses (talk) 00:47, 22 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Why are they used sequentially? The list in this case is like the South-West Indian Ocean cyclone season list. Why do they have to be used sequentially? It isn't like the West Pacific list in this case because they retire names. It's just a waste of names. Why is it like this? 76.235.205.44 (talk) 02:51, 22 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Its just way the members of the WMO/ESCAP Tropical Cyclone Committee have decided to do it Jason Rees (talk) 00:25, 23 November 2008 (UTC)

Deadliest TCs
This region has had some of the world's deadliest cyclones, but there is a shortage of organized information about them. Only cyclones which caused fatalities over 3000 people have been included.
 * 1584 Backerganj Cyclone killed around 200,000 people.
 * 1737 Calcutta cyclone, caused death and destruction around Calcutta, India.
 * 1789 Indian Cyclone, killed 20,000 in Coringa, India.
 * 1839 Indian Cyclone -   caused a massive storm surge hit Coringa, India on November 25 killed 300,000 people.
 * 1864 Calcutta Cyclone, killed around 60,000 people in Calcutta, India.
 * 1876 Great Backerganj Cyclone hit the Meghna River Delta area of India, the storm surge killed 100,000, and the disease after the storm killed another 100,000.
 * 1882 Great Bombay Cyclone killed around 200,000 people in Bombay, India.
 * 1897 Chittagong cyclone killed around 175,000 in Chittagong, Bangladesh.
 * 1942 Bengal Cyclone hit near the India/Bangladesh border, resulting in around 40,000 fatalities.
 * 1960 East Pakistan I Cyclone 6,000 deaths can be attributed to a cyclone that hit the eastern portion of Bangladesh what was known then as East Pakistan on October 10
 * 1963 East Pakistan II Cyclone on May 23, a cyclone hit present-day Bangladesh (then known as East Pakistan province), causing 22,000 fatalities due to storm surge and flooding.
 * 1965 Pakistani Bengali Cyclones Two cyclones that hit on May 11 and June 1 killed a total of 47,000 people.
 * 1965 Pakistani Cyclone hit near Karachi, Pakistan on December 15, causing about 10,000 casualties.
 * 1970 Bhola cyclone, killed between 300,000 to 500,000 people in East Pakistan (now Bangladesh).
 * 1971 Odisha Cyclone killed around 10,000 people in Cuttack, India.
 * 1977 Andhra Pradesh Cyclone, killed 10,000 people in Andhra Pradesh, India.
 * 1985 Cyclone 01B on May 25. Bangladesh, Meghna River Delta a cyclone created a surge 15-to 20-foot high killing around 6,000 - 10,000 people.
 * 1988 Cyclone 04B on November 26 the cyclone hit the Sundarbans part of Bangladesh. Heavy storm surge killed 2000 people (with 6000 missing). In addition, the storm caused 1000 fatalities in Malaysia, Thailand, and western Indonesia.
 * 1991 Bangladesh cyclone, killed 138,000 people in the Chittagong region of Bangladesh.
 * 1999 Odisha cyclone, killed around 10,000 people in the Odisha state of India.
 * 2007: Cyclone Sidr, struck Bangladesh on 15 November, has killed at least 3,500 people.
 * 2008: Cyclone Nargis, struck the Irrawaddy Delta in Burma killing over 145,000 people and devastating the country's former capital and largest city, Rangoon, making it Burma's deadliest natural disaster in history, the costliest North Indian cyclone on record, and the second deadliest North Indian cyclone in recorded history.

Random..?
That image i added was RANDOM..? WTF.? --Anirudh Emani (talk) 05:24, 20 August 2012 (UTC)

Land Depressions
Till 2013, unlike other RSMCs, IMD used to classify depressions forming over land as Land Depressions, designating them with their respective storm number with the prefix LAND. However, from this year, they no longer include Land Depressions in the basin. Land depressions are reported in the All India Weather report as a "Salient Weather Feature". The systems are no longer provided any classifications. Warnings are given in the IMD regional websites.

My question is that till now we have been adding Land Depressions in the storm page with their classifcation as per IMD. But from now on, what can we do to include them.

I have three options in mind:
 * 1) Classify them as Land Depressions and include them in the list of storm. This will however not comply with the RSMC's classifications.
 * 2) Add a separate "Other storms" section from 2014 onward, like we do in PTS articles. Write about the Land Depressions briefly, provide a image of any one storm (the strongest, preferably). Leave the previous articles untouched.
 * 3) Stop writing about Land Depressions completely.

I would like to go with option 2. Please share your views. Rishabh Tatiraju (talk) 15:44, 28 September 2014 (UTC)
 * Option 2. YE Pacific Hurricane  16:00, 28 September 2014 (UTC)
 * I don't mind any of these options but I hope it is not Option 3. We need to put the land depressions since this basin is one if the rarest storms to form and there are only few storms that form each year. For example: if there is only 1 to 2 storms in a year, the article will be a waste and poor since the article is too short. So if an agency recognizes a storm, whether a depression, crossover storm or remnants of a crossover storm or storm, we need to put it in so it doesn't get wasted. You guys get what I mean? And I do not really edit that much in this basin article, I edit the WPac basin the most. Typhoon2013  (talk)  05:15, 1 October 2014 (UTC)
 * Agreed. That is why i said option 2, since it keeps the article big enough and also complies with the current classification standards by IMD. Rishabh Tatiraju (talk) 09:43, 1 October 2014 (UTC)
 * I think we should stick with option 1 until some proof is provided, that they are no including Land Depressions in the final yearly totals.Jason Rees (talk) 12:02, 1 October 2014 (UTC)

I agree with option 2. It works best IMO. ♫ Hurricanehink ( talk ) 20:34, 7 October 2014 (UTC)
 * I am still waiting for the proof that the IMD are not including Land Depressions in their final totals anymore, however, it seems unlikely that it will come since the one and only land depression of 2014 has a PTCR.Jason Rees (talk) 01:58, 19 January 2015 (UTC)

Current Infobox templates
I just wanted to ask why the current infobox templates are not used in season articles. Usually we do that in all the other basins when a storm is active... Damien4794 (talk) 06:29, 14 October 2014 (UTC)

Sources for a climotology section

 * - Arabian Sea
 * - Andhra Pradesh and IMD cyclone up

♫ Hurricanehink ( talk ) 16:19, 16 May 2015 (UTC)

Articles
The following North Indian Ocean cyclone seasons from 1960 onward lack articles: So, they don't have articles, and I was wondering if someone could create them. Thanks a lot, 🐔Chicdat Chicken Database 10:58, 29 April 2020 (UTC)
 * 1965 North Indian Ocean cyclone season
 * 1966 North Indian Ocean cyclone season
 * 1967 North Indian Ocean cyclone season
 * 1968 North Indian Ocean cyclone season
 * 1969 North Indian Ocean cyclone season
 * 1971 North Indian Ocean cyclone season
 * 1972 North Indian Ocean cyclone season
 * 1973 North Indian Ocean cyclone season
 * 1974 North Indian Ocean cyclone season
 * I will see what I can do later but for now all of those seasons are covered here.Jason Rees (talk) 12:58, 29 April 2020 (UTC)

IMD tropical cyclone classification
Can I add the tropical cyclone classification of IMD, like they have given the Typhoon article? Bera niladri19  🌀🌀 06:56, 29 April 2021 (UTC)

"Pre-1980 North Indian Ocean cyclone seasons" listed at Redirects for discussion
A discussion is taking place to address the redirect Pre-1980 North Indian Ocean cyclone seasons. The discussion will occur at Redirects for discussion/Log/2021 May 18 until a consensus is reached, and readers of this page are welcome to contribute to the discussion. Colonies Chris (talk) 16:53, 18 May 2021 (UTC)

What is the category of listing cyclones?
Is there any category of adding cyclones? Cyclones like Cyclone Fani has not been listed. -- Jnanaranjan Sahu (ଜ୍ଞାନ) talk 12:44, 24 May 2021 (UTC)
 * I am not sure I follow what you are asking here. You will find that Cyclone Fani was an extremely severe cyclonic storm per the IMD and thus has been included in the totals for Depression (D) -> Deep Depression (DD)-> Cyclonic Storm (CS), all the way up to extremely severe cyclonic storm (ESCS) in 2019.Jason Rees (talk) 15:18, 24 May 2021 (UTC)