Talk:North Korean Embassy in Madrid incident

Requested move 1 April 2019

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The result of the move request was: Moved to Raid on the North Korean embassy in Madrid. (closed by non-admin page mover) B dash (talk) 13:11, 18 April 2019 (UTC)

Raid on North Korea's embassy in Madrid → ? – The article primary editor hinted that the present title may not be the right one for this article. I share that sentiment but could not come up with the most suitable title myself, hence this request. – Ammarpad (talk) 19:04, 1 April 2019 (UTC) --Relisting.  SITH   (talk)   18:56, 9 April 2019 (UTC)


 * The article's name is descriptive of the action, doesnt judge it (it's neutral), and no one has proposed a better title for the article. -- HC PUNX  KID 10:51, 2 April 2019 (UTC)


 * Nah, the title is just fine as it is. It exactly describes the event in a neutral way.  -- Jayron 32 16:19, 2 April 2019 (UTC)


 * I mostly don't like the apostrophe. I'd suggest Raid on the North Korean embassy in Madrid (or if a little more formality is preferred, Raid on the Embassy of North Korea in Madrid). Compare United States bombing of the Chinese embassy in Belgrade. -- King of &hearts;   &diams;   &clubs;  &spades; 06:21, 3 April 2019 (UTC)


 * Oh, well that's fine. Do that.  "of the North Korean embassy" is a fine change.  -- Jayron 32 13:23, 3 April 2019 (UTC)
 * We shouldn't use "of" just to mimic the Chinese embassy bombing; we want to use the most idiomatic English preposition in each case. "Bombing of" (8,090,000 GHits) is preferred over "bombing on" (862,000 GHits), but "raid on" (12,100,000) is preferred over "raid of" (1,990,000). -- King of &hearts;   &diams;   &clubs;  &spades; 02:30, 4 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Move to Raid on the North Korean embassy in Madrid per both of King of Hearts's points.--- Coffee  and crumbs  01:53, 17 April 2019 (UTC)


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Proposal to move page (rename)

 * New to wikipedia, apologies in advance for amateur mistakes*

I am proposing to rename this article to better achieve neutrality and guard against misinformation/reaching conclusions without solid evidence. The new name would be "2019 North Korean Embassy in Madrid Incident".

Firstly, the nature of the event has been shrouded in mystery since the beginning, with various conflicting reports emerging. Parties to this so called "conflict" are formatted as if they were belligerents; North Korea claimed this was a terrorist attack while Free Joseon claimed it was not a raid, but that they were invited in by an insider to attempt a defection.

Recent investigative journalism gives plausibility to Free Joseon's characterization of the incident, and so it should be stated as a possibility. See here: https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2020/11/23/the-underground-movement-trying-to-topple-the-north-korean-regime

The truth is, we don't fully know if it was a raid, so to call it an incident would be more appropriate.

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Assets gone Rogue
Clockwork efficiency of the raid minus casualties .... no political demands .... stealing of Computers (same as Osama Abbottabad Raid) ... all point in the direction of company.

Assets gone rogue with blooming Trump~Kim relationship

So many embassies have been stormed raided ... Commonality : Destruction of Property / Casualties to keep Local Enforcement out/ Political Demands to justify the raid.

And NO there is element of truth regarding EX Intelligence DPRK that explains Clockwork Efficiency, of infill & subjugation of Embassy Staff... DPRK Expats lack funds and expertise to pull the raid and "more importantly" EXFIL successful (Keep in mind most embassy sieges end up a bloody mess) Company assets gone rogue ....

Ex Marine was an asset for the Agency given, Free Joeson maybe a front for Black Ops103.178.144.60 (talk) 05:52, 11 April 2024 (UTC)