Talk:North Kosovo crisis (2011–2013)

Border presentation proposal
As explaining the Kosovo borders can be bulky and with many of the terms not universally acceptable here, I would like to know how editors feel about this idea. Whenever discussing border crossings with the three non-disputed neighbours which all recognise Kosovo (Montenegro, Albania, Macedonia), the Kosovo template note suffices. On articles such as this and for all others concerning Serbia as controlled from Belgrade, that note doesn't fit in anywhere. Plain old "border" is used in sources but so are rerefernces to Kosovo as a country. On here we exercise tact and refer to the partially recognised state for the Republic of Kosovo on administrative matters, and the disputed region for the land itself or for non-administrative subjects. "Border", like "country" is defining in that it suggests a final status in black and white. Qualifiers such as administrative are fine by me but are dismissed by some editors as "weasel wording" and this might be leaning in the direction of a Serbian position because in truth, the administrative zones date back to 1999 when Yugoslavia withdrew all security forces pursuant to the Kumanovo agreement subsequently making Kosovo a separate entity from that point. Just now as I edited Vehicle registration plates of Kosovo I spotted what I hope might be the solution. On that article, the term "contested border" sits comfortably with no edit-warring taking place over it. It doesn't deny the republic, it doesn't deny Serbia's claim of Res. 1244, it is de facto operative no matter who controls it, and it is short and easy to type without long explanations. Can I see how editors feel about that suggestion?

Please note that a positive outcome may resolve matters across many articles and set a standard. Evlekis (Евлекис) (argue) 15:35, 25 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Sources just call the border a border - example. Sources generally don't call it an "administrative border"; attempts to add that are just weasel wording. bobrayner (talk) 02:15, 9 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Say something new, this argument was already refuted. -- WhiteWriterspeaks 21:38, 9 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Sources just call the border a border, rather than an "administrative crossing" or any other silly wording like that. If your political stance is not compatible with what sources say, you have my sympathies, but hitting the revert button won't change reality. bobrayner (talk) 01:11, 10 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Agree, per my comment above. If someone finds a reliable source that uses the term "administrative crossing" then it could be used as well as what the current sources say, but in the absence of such sources, we use what the current sources used in the article say. Peacemaker67 (send... over) 01:22, 10 May 2013 (UTC)

User was blocked, but those sources are priceless... It looks like sources generally do call it an "administrative border" -- WhiteWriterspeaks 23:21, 10 May 2013 (UTC)
 * UNHCR: The four Kosovo Serbs, including the Mayor of the town of Vitina, were arrested by Kosovo police as they tried to cross back into Kosovo at the Belja Zemlja administrative border between Serbia and Kosovo
 * UNMIK: We continue to call for increased surveillance of the administrative border, in order to put an end to the extremist activities there and to stop the traffic in illegal weapons.
 * Amnesty: On 8 May 2003, the first group of remains identified by the ICMP using DNA analysis were handed over - at the administrative border between Serbia and Kosovo - to UNMIK by the Serbian Coordination Centre for Kosovo and Metohija.
 * VOA: Several thousand displaced ethnic Serbs and members of other minorities gathered at Kosovo's administrative border (Rudnice-Jarinja) to protest the U.N. plan and demand a return to their homes.
 * Helsinki Committee: The police check-points at the administrative border with Kosovo as well as houses of Serb civilians were targets of artillery attacks launched from the territory of Kosovo, mainly from Podujevo municipality.
 * CNN: Elsewhere in Kosovo, NATO peacekeeping forces seized an arsenal of weapons along the administrative border with Serbia.
 * Only one of those sources is contemporary to the events that are the subject of this article, the HRW you have called "UNHCR". The rest pre-date the declaration of independence and are basically irrelevant to these events. Happy for the term to be added, so long as it does not replace the term "border". Peacemaker67 (send... over) 01:46, 11 May 2013 (UTC)
 * ✅ -- WhiteWriterspeaks 22:03, 30 May 2013 (UTC)
 * fine by me. The article is still unbalanced, but hopefully this will stop the POV pushing. Peacemaker67 (send... over) 22:10, 30 May 2013 (UTC)

The crisis in northern Kosovo is not yet complete.
The crisis in northern Kosovo is not finished until you create the Community of Serb municipalities, Kosovo. They are still in the course of the protests and barricades. I am an eyewitness.--79.101.223.175 (talk) 13:06, 17 December 2015 (UTC)

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Brussels Agreement
The Brussels Agreement needs to get expanded, or deleted. I request permission to delete the section. German Gamer  77  21:18, 5 December 2017 (UTC)