Talk:Northern Low German

Unsourced stuff - Questions and Remarks
--19:00, 11 September 2023 (UTC)
 * "Westniederdeutsch is quite atypical for dialects in Germany in general."
 * And why?
 * "There are radio stations mainly speaking Northern Low German in Paraguay, Brazil and Canada."
 * To which dialects/languages does this refer? Plautdietsch, Pomeranian-based varities in America (like East Pomeranian-based varities in South America)?
 * Lameli only covers Low German in post-1945 Germany and not East Pomeranian, Low Prussian, Plautdietsch. So it's OR to include it in Northern Low German.
 * "It is spoken in several states of Germany."
 * True, but how useful is this information, why mention it?
 * Nordniederdeutsch is spoken in the states Schleswig-Holstein, Hamburg, Bremen, Niedersachsen; Westniederdeutsch in Niedersachsen and Nordrhein-Westfalen; etc.
 * Should the states for every dialect be mentioned, or only for Northern LG as a whole? And especially if it should be or every dialect: Are the states known? Nordostniederdeutsch is spoken in Mecklenburg-Vorpommern, apparently also in Brandenburg, possibly also in Schleswig-Holstein or Niedersachsen - Lameli's map doesn't help to judge that.
 * I don't know, what causes your opinion that the German states should not be mentioned. It is not usual to refer to specific varieties used in a radio station. Sarcelles (talk) 21:43, 11 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Questions are:
 * What should be mentioned, the states for each sub-dialect or only the states for Northern LG as a whole?
 * Why should they be mentioned? To give a more concrete area where the dialects are spoken? (Makes sense as long as there is no map.)
 * Can they be mentioned? See above regarding Nordostniederdeutsch.
 * --00:23, 12 September 2023 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.221.40.167 (talk)

Contradicting classifications
Currently, there are two contradicting dialect classficiations used as sources: Both sources have another classification of dialects and contradict each other: Additionally: Possible solution: --19:00, 11 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Lameli who is the source for Northern Low German and its varieties.
 * Wiesinger's map in Atlas zur deutschen Alltagssprache as source for transitional areas.
 * Lameli's Westphalian only includes East and South Westphalian; in Wiesinger it's broader and also includes Münsterländisch and Osnabrückisch.
 * Wiesinger has "Mecklenburgisch-Vorpommersch" and "Mittelpommersch" which Lameli merges into "Nordostniederdeutsch". So while Wiesinger has a transitional area between the two dialects, Lameli doesn't and can't have it.
 * Lameli only considers Low German in post-1945 Germany, while Wiesinger also considers Elsaß-Lothringen, Schlesien, Hinterpommern, West- and Ostpreußen. Hence it's an open question how Lameli would group Low German in the East and if there could be transitional areas.
 * In the section of transitional areas, many places are mentioned. However, the source Wiesinger doesn't give them. So it's rather OR-y, like comparing Wiesinger's map with other maps and guessing which places lie in the transitional area or using other unnamed sources.
 * Remove transitional areas as off-topic as they aren't part of Lameli's classification with his uncommon Northern Low German, or move it into Low German which is a more fitting place.
 * The subdivisions by Wiesinger contradicts the one by Lameli. However, Lameli mainly has larger areas. small transitional areas are not off-topic, however. Sarcelles (talk) 06:41, 12 September 2023 (UTC)