Talk:Northern Tier High Adventure

Wilderness Grace
I realize that the additions that I made on the origins of "The Grace" are a bit extensive and are not entirely relevant to an article about "Northern Tier High Adventure Bases," but inasmuch as the original accreditation for "The Grace" was incorrect I felt that it was necessary, at least initially, to include the entire story of the "who, what, when, where, and why" of "The Grace". It also forced me to begin the "Notes" at the bottom to include all the references that I have to back up my claims. Claims, by the way, that were verified by 1) Minor Huffman, the first Gen. Mgr. at Philmont, and longtime Scout Exec. in Eastern New Mexico; 2) Clarence Dunn, the first Director of Rangers at Philmont; and 3) Faust Nobles, who also wrote a bit of Philmont verse. All this is substantiated and verified in Minor Huffman's book, which is annotated in the "Notes" section.PGNormand 02:25, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

The text of this section is backed up by the notes. It does seem to be much the same as Wilderness Grace though; and that seems to be a pretty good article in itself. I would suggest moving all of the text and references of the grace to that article and referencing it from here. --Gadget850 ( Ed) 11:23, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

On The Trail Section
That typical day thing seems completely unencyclopedic and unnecessary. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.42.222.149 (talk) 19:35, 9 December 2011 (UTC) Not sure why it's unnecessary, it serves to make a more comprehensive overview of the actual "nuts and bolts" of this particular excursion. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.212.106.154 (talk) 14:30, 16 July 2012 (UTC)

Programs and Bases
Better info on these are available form these two resources:


 * 1) Advisor's Planning Guide 2015
 * 2) Excursion descriptions

Mythic Glyph (talk) 04:56, 9 July 2016 (UTC)

History

 * 1) I would like to hear about how it was decided to promote this particular high adventure base over those at Maine and Wisconsin, which are not given mention in this article.
 * 2) When did the cold weather program get implemented? Or the Fall program? When do these seasonal programs take place?

Mythic Glyph (talk) 04:53, 9 July 2016 (UTC)


 * There is no decision to "promote" this base "over" others. This is simply an article on this base / set of bases.  The other 2 that you mentioned are closed as national bases but covered in High Adventure Bases of the Boy Scouts of America


 * The Winter program (Okpik) has its own article and internal link to it from this article. Sincerely, North8000 (talk) 18:23, 30 January 2018 (UTC)

Region 10 Canoe Base
Going from memory, it also had the name Region 10 Canoe Base, prior to the Sommners name becoming prominent. I think that circa the late 1960's it had that name.  North8000  (talk) 11:50, 5 September 2017 (UTC)

Name was Region 10 until 1942, when the permanent location was named after Region Chairman Charles L. Sommers. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.97.129.146 (talk) 22:27, 7 October 2017 (UTC)
 * I think that the change was more recent than that.  Like the 60's or early 70's. I remember when it was called Region 10 and I wasn't born much less in scouts in 1942. Common names can remain in use for a while after an official name change but I don't think for that long.   I also went to Region 7 Canoe base by that name in the late 60's so that might be an indicator that the region naming continued into the late 60's.    North8000 (talk) 13:27, 26 January 2018 (UTC)

Looks like this http://www.bullmoosepatrol.com/bmp/2017/6/19/vintage-boy-scout-canoe-base-guides-charles-l-sommers-northern-wisconsin-canoe-base says it was Region 10 in 1950. North8000 (talk) 23:10, 26 January 2018 (UTC)

And 1963: https://www.ebay.com/itm/BOY-SCOUT-NORTH-BERGEN-COUNCTY-CNCL-1963-REGION-10-CANOE-BASE-TREK-CONTING-N-C-/332512348382   North8000 (talk) 23:11, 26 January 2018 (UTC)

The name changed to Charles L. Sommers Wilderness Canoe Base in 1942 with the opening of the permanent facility (moving from Winton). The program was under the administration of Region 10, thus there are continued references in later material. Here's the dedication booklet from 1942: https://holry.org/resources/website/history/library/dedicationbooklet.pdf
 * Thanks! North8000 (talk) 14:09, 29 January 2018 (UTC)
 * I'll work it into the article. North8000 (talk) 17:00, 30 January 2018 (UTC)

Back and forth on base for described programs
You should have taken it to talk instead of reverting again. And more directly addressing the sourcing concern before doing so. My concern is two fold, one is of changing it to an unsourced statement about the other two facilities. And related to that is it might be wrong regarding the other two facilities. How sure are you that it describes the programs of the other two locations and can you be more specific on how a source says that? Like what which source says it and the page #. Sincerely, North8000 (talk) 13:13, 12 June 2023 (UTC)


 * What is to indicate this text is actually about Sommers, not Atikokan? There is no information to indicate this is about Charles L. Sommers or another base. It was originally titled to speak to all three bases. Can you proof it is about Sommers? MnHstry (talk) 02:47, 13 June 2023 (UTC)