Talk:Northrop Grumman E-8 Joint STARS/Archive 1

old comments
I thought the these things had 'US Army' on the side. Oh, well, pictures don't lie. PaulinSaudi 18:04, 15 Apr 2004 (UTC)]]

Nope, it's an Air Force flown, maintained and paid for aircraft.--Jess 00:33, 24 March 2006 (UTC)

The airframe is USAF--the crew and missions are joint.

ECM?
Doesnt ECM distract missiles? How can a plane be ECM resistant? --The1exile 18:31, 22 January 2006 (UTC)

The ECM they're talking about is what an enemy would use against the RADAR of the aircraft. This RADAR system has ways to reduce the effects of jamming & other types of ECM. I'm not sure exactly what your asking. --Jess 00:41, 24 March 2006 (UTC)

ECM covers a wide variety of countermeasures, of which spoofing missiles is just one limited aspect. And the "how" is classified to try to protect it from being defeated.

Manufacturer
The manufacturer for the E-8 JointSTARS program is actually Northrop Grumman, not Boeing (who made the original air frames). --HotBBQ 14:35, 24 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Boeing is the manufacturer of the aircraft. NG is the manufacturer and integrator of the missions systems. Most importantly, the DoD lists the manufacturer of the total package as Boeing/Northrop Grumman, which is why we list it that way here.  AK Radecki Speaketh  14:49, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

Boeing simply made an airframe that Northrop purchases and modified--all structural mods, systems engineering, program management, as well as mission payload design was done by Grumman (now Northrop Grumman). I think we should distinguish who was the prime clearly in these articles--there is no contract between the USAF and Boeing for anything to do with Joint STARS E-8's. Perhaps for these ISR and Airborne Early warning aircraft, which are generally military modifications of commercial airframes, we should not use the term 'manufacturer' but list "Prime Contractor" instead.--Icymoon (talk) 03:30, 17 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Disagree per AKR's comments, for what it's worth (not much apparently, as you've made your changes anyway, and then reverted back to them!) The infobox is created and maintained by the {{WP:AIR]] project, and we have a specific purpose for the manufacturer's field, wihic includedes listing the airframe manufacturer. You are welcome to bring up this issue at the WT:AIR talk page, especially if you intend to make these types of changes to other articles. Thanks. -

Geographic location of GMTI image
Does anyone know the geographic location of the GMTI image?

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 * Left a message on your talk page. — BQZip01 —  talk 01:59, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

Most likely Bosnia from Operation Joint Endeavor--Icymoon (talk) 03:31, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

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Probably want this: http://www.as.northropgrumman.com/products/e8cjointstars/index.html —Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.12.121.254 (talk) 13:39, 7 April 2010 (UTC)

Updating
I may be mistaken, but I believe somebody should update the part about the base commanders, because i believe it is inaccurate.--ItsJodo (talk) 17:22, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

They should also update the history. Two prototypes were used in Desert Storm. The VII Corp commander requested them when his Corp was deployed to Desert Shield/Storm. They played a critical part in seeing the Iraqi army fleeing, and calling in fire and air strikes on the 'Highway of Death'. Dwilliscp —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dwilliscp (talk • contribs) 17:16, 24 March 2010 (UTC)

Article is a bit misleading in that the reader may come away believing all E-8C JSTARS were re-engined with Pratt & Whitney JT8D turbofan engines. Only one testbed aircraft was modified to receive the new engines before that effort's cancellation. All operational JSTARS still fly with their original Pratt & Whitney JT3D (aka TF-33) engines. Similarly, only one JSTARS was ever equipped with the MS-177 camera (the same tail that was re-engined with JT8D's). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 153.26.178.60 (talk) 11:26, 10 November 2017 (UTC)

Joint STARS
I believe a new article should be created for the Joint STARS, as Joint STARS is not the aircraft, but an observation and surveillance part of the USAF —Preceding unsigned comment added by ItsJodo (talk • contribs) 13:23, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

Georgia on my mind
The recent caucasian conflict with the advancing 150 tank russian army column looks like a perfect match for the JSTARS. Did they get to look into it? Any aircraft transferred from USA or Europe in time to have an effect on the conflict? 82.131.210.162 (talk) 19:54, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

Photo Caption
Just figured I would mention the first picture with the crewman, he is loading COMSEC with the An/Pyq-10 SKL. The article for the SKL has no photo, perhaps this would be a good candidate. Northroad (talk) 03:00, 9 April 2011 (UTC)


 * I guess you mean this image and AN/PYQ-10. That sounds like a good add to me.  Added to article.  Please adjust caption if needed/wanted. -Fnlayson (talk) 03:10, 9 April 2011 (UTC)

Upgrade coverage
The semi-recent upgrades including the re-engining effort needs to be updated/expanded in this article. Here's some links I've found so far: Upgrade its E-8 J-STARS, DefenseIndustryDaily.com, Re-engining the E-8 JSTARS, DID, JStars, AF-tech, JSTARS Options, Def News, NG wins contract, Def procure. I'll work on this. Help if you can.. -Fnlayson (talk) 04:56, 18 November 2011 (UTC)

^ All of those efforts have been cancelled as of 2017. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 153.26.178.60 (talk) 11:27, 10 November 2017 (UTC)