Talk:Norton House Education

Oxbridge Education in Hong Kong
I noticed from one of the news sources that Hong Kong is falling behind in terms of Oxbridge admission acceptance. Why do people think this is the case? Are Hong Kong students missing out on something vital? Open to discussion.


 * 2 news sources were recently added about that; I have just removed them as not citing anything in the paragraph. Discussing the issue would be off-topic for similar reasons: this talk page is for discussing improvements to this article. Yngvadottir (talk) 19:47, 13 June 2017 (UTC)

Norton House
This is regarding the "norton house education" page and whether they're the same establishment as "senate house education." proof of the fact can be found under a quick whois search here: https://www.netim.com/domain-name/whois-search.html for both www.senate-house.org (the senate house website as per the article previously) and www.nh.edu.hk(current website for norton house). You can see that although they have changed the name of the organization. The registration address and phone number remain exactly the same. Technically speaking the same address is not foolproof evidence that it's the same company, but landline phone numbers are registered to individuals/companies, hence that is definitive. They seem to be trying to rename themselves in order to distance themselves from that sexual scandal which I was personally affected by during the time they called themselves senate house. Furthermore, inside Norton House's own facebook page this photo can be found of their premises : https://scontent-tpe1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/12115977_986420294743726_6609513248982310915_n.jpg?oh=ce0ef4e107a23863629706111725988c&oe=59E4CDA2. Comparing that to the premises of senate house via a google search : https://plus.google.com/107389313111910991089, it's obvious it's the same company. Not to mention the fact that www.senate-house.org currently automatically redirects to www.nh.ed.hk.
 * This is original research. You need to find a reliable source which specifies that these two schools are the same school.  Scr ★ pIron IV 21:10, 31 May 2017 (UTC)

There is no official and proven linkage that these Norton and Senate is the same company. Even with the same physical address, legally it cannot be said that they are the same company. — Preceding unsigned comment added by AppleDoodle (talk • contribs) 13:11, 6 June 2017 (UTC)

https://web.archive.org/web/20130903004244/http://www.senate-house.org:80/contact-us/

The archived page of senate house shows it's Hong Kong education database registration number(584509). When you put this number into the education bureau search here : http://applications.edb.gov.hk/schoolsearch/schoolsearch.aspx?langno=1, it shows that this registration number goes to Norton House Education. Since according to the Hong Kong government website here http://www.edb.gov.hk/en/sch-admin/sch-registration/about-sch-registration/info-application-sch-registration.html that each registration number corresponds to one school only, it must be the case that senate house = norton house. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jennmaoxford (talk • contribs) 03:24, 7 June 2017 (UTC)

Norton House is registered under a completely different company registration number in addition to being manned by a completely different academic team and management staff. The fact that Norton House resides in the same address as Senate House is not any evidence to suggest that it has been "renamed" to Norton House. I am also unaware of any website redirects, and am unable to even find the old Senate House website. Furthermore you will notice with a quick Google search that the status of Senate House is "Permanently Closed", if a company were to simply be renamed, a redirect option and name change notice would have been issued to the public. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mikechan852 (talk • contribs) 06:57, 7 June 2017 (UTC)

Where's your source for the company registration data, academic team and management staff? www.senate-house.org is the old senate house website and it's archived in the links I posted above (https://web.archive.org/web/20130903004244/http://www.senate-house.org:80/contact-us/). You're obviously a staff member from senate house/norton house and have just removed the redirect but it's been cached and archived by google and other 3rd parties, including the redirect history. The google search means nothing as the staff from senate house could have just changed it to permanently closed on their google page. Obviously, in this case, the name change notice was not issued to the public as they were trying to dissociate themselves from the harrassment case here: http://hk.apple.nextmedia.com/news/art/20131220/18558701 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jennmaoxford (talk • contribs) 07:53, 7 June 2017 (UTC)

I am unsure as to why I am being associated with the company at question, I am simply an Internet user such as yourself with an avid interest in the subject of education in Hong Kong, and fail to see why certain individuals are going out of their way and mercilessly trying to falsely associate the two companies at question together with evidence that is highly ambiguous. You have your opinion based off your evidence, and I have mine based off what I have found personally. The fact that I did not find the redirect is due to the simple fact that there was no redirect for me witness. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mikechan852 (talk • contribs) 10:25, 8 June 2017 (UTC)

Just go to https://web.archive.org/web/20130603070918/http://www.senate-house.org:80/. The archived history for www.senate-house.org. You can see that after 2013, the domain redirected to the Norton House webpage: www.nh.edu.hk. This is not an "opinion based off my evidence", it's out there for everyone to see. I'm associating you with Norton House because of your newly made account and the fact that this is the ony thing you've ever contributed to. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jennmaoxford (talk • contribs) 16:44, 8 June 2017 (UTC)

What kinds of references are needed
References that name-drop Norton House - for example, as having sponsored a study, or quoting a staff member on the issue studied - are not what this article needs. It needs news or other third-party references that say what is being stated in the article - for example, that the programmes stress higher-order thinking skills, that there are summer tours to Oxford and Cambridge, the year it was founded ... if they don't say anything like that, the most such references are good for is the name of the mentioned staff member, which is not useful unless he/she is one of the principal staff mentioned in the article. Third-party substantiation that Aaron Lau has an Oxford degree, for example, would be worth including. But otherwise, such references are really only substantiating that it exists. The article should be based as far as possible on what reliable third parties have published about Norton. So the Educational and academic focuses section really does need references, or it should be removed or at least heavily cut back. But they have to support its content. Yngvadottir (talk) 19:47, 13 June 2017 (UTC)