Talk:Not Fragile

Black Sabbath??
I wouldn't say their sound was "a cross between Black Sabbath & ZZ Top." I'll go with ZZ Top but I don't think they sounded at all like Black Sabbath. Sabbath was into songs about killing/death/apocalypse etc. and BTO was completely different, more along the lines of ZZTop. Ozzie has a high voice, BTO and ZZ much lower/grittier vocals. Sabbath's bass/drums were not especially remarkable, taking a backseat to Ozzie's lead, whereas ZZTop & BTO songs were notable for bass, beat & rhythm. So is there some other band to compare them with?
 * I don't like the Black Sabbath comparison, either. No source is cited by whoever wrote that.  Other than the full, fat power chords on some songs from this BTO album, nothing remotely reminds me of Sabbath.  I would say a cross between ZZ Top and Mountain is closer.  Randy Bachman even listed Mountain's Leslie West as one of his guitar influences in an interview track released with the 1998 BTO "King Biscuit" series live disc. Howenstein115 19:25, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

Yes "Fragile" release year
The article introduction references a quote by Randy Bachman referring to Yes' "Fragile" album. It gives the release year as 1972. The album was released in 1971 in the UK and 1972 in the US (and presumably Canada). Since the release year was not part of the Bachman's quote (as written in the article at least), the correct release year should be used even in Bachman did actually say "1972" (which is unlikely though I don't have the referenced book to check this). For the actual album date, I deliberated using the presumed Canadian release date of 1972, as "Not Fragile" is by a Canadian group or the UK date of 1971 as Yes is a British group. I checked Manual of Style/Dates and numbers but found no clear guidance there, even in the "Uncertain, incomplete, or approximate dates" section. The closest I could find was the "When a date is known to be either of two years" part that recommends "1971 or 1972". This seems inappropriate as does a footnote describing the dates.

The album was first released in 1971 so I settled on that.--Wantnot (talk) 00:54, 20 August 2014 (UTC)