Talk:Notchback

Inconsistency Between Description And Pics
The article text says notchbacks are "characterized by a near-vertical drop-off from a car's roof to its trunk" (but then most of the pictures show cars that do not fit that description (Ford LTD, 'Cuda). Not sure which is right, just pointing out the problem.  Xenotrope (talk) 07:22, 20 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Notchback lead section with actual definition, images revised, and correct example list added.(Vegavairbob (talk) 00:58, 29 June 2010 (UTC))

American Terminology
Whilst I have no problem with the use of American terminology, I think this article would do well to comment that the term "Notchback" is almost exclusively an American, or perhaps I should say North American, term. As a professional writer based in the Uk this is a term I have never head used in any publication, press release or conversation. As I say, no objections to it having an entry, just think regional clarification would be a useful addition. --Timetrial 23:24, 18 February 2007 (UTC)
 * I believe the term was used fairly often in UK publications around the time of the launch of the Ford Escort mark III, and the Ford Sierra. Their shapes were fairly unusual at the time. Those articles suggest the official name was Aeroback, but I don't recall ever hearing that at the time. Unfortunately, the shape is far from that described in this article, so perhaps a "European usage of the term" section is in order; I'll try to dig out some examples of the usage to use as references first, though. – Kieran T  (' talk ') 15:38, 19 February 2007 (UTC)
 * I've made some changes, most importantly breaking out the part about the European Fords, and adding references from a dictionary to show how it comes about. 81.178.67.229 (talk) 10:05, 23 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Kieran I can't find any "notchback" reference for the Escort or Sierra. (Which doesn't mean you're wrong! Just that I can't find one.) Where the Sierra is concerned, wasn't the term used (by the public) as shorthand to distinguish the later 4-door Sierra Sapphires from the original 5-door hatchback Sierras? Writegeist (talk) 05:44, 25 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I am not an ethusiast and as such I am not very familiar with the names that you are using. It would be useful if one or more of the contributors could upload images that actually demonstrates what a "Notchback" really looks like. This could easily be done by using images of an open trunk. It is very possible that I have one in my community and will never know. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.131.190.225 (talk) 22:34, 25 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Notchbacks are characterized by having have shorter decks (trunks) than typical full-size and mid size sedans, they don't always have the near-verticle window drop. images have been revised. (Vegavairbob (talk) 01:00, 29 June 2010 (UTC))

Examples
Notchback is a nuanced descriptive, but that doesn't mean anyone can add an example to a list in the article. That's wp:or. And it's unclear that the lists of examples provides any value to the article, and all the inclusions without exception appear on the lists without citation. In other words these lists are original research.

An article that does a better job in this respect is Shooting-brake, which is a similarly nuanced descriptive. That article cites a references for each example: ''The NYT call this car a shooting-brake, Motor Trend called this car a shooting-brake, etc."842U (talk) 10:28, 9 March 2017 (UTC)


 * I have observed the ever-increasing number of "examples" without any references in this article. Without a specific reference for each, they should be considered original research.
 * A similar situation is with the List of fastback automobiles. It seems the list is expanding to include almost any car that has a steep sloped roofline. It now includes hatchbacks, sport utility vehicles, and ordinary sedans that happen to have a tall rear end to increase trunk space. These designs do not conform to the traditional example for an automobile body consisting of a single convex curve starting from the top of the windshield and going down to the rear bumper. Moreover, there seems to be a random pattern in the ever-growing gallery and images that are being added to that list. I have tried to limit the examples to cars with appropriate references, but to no avail. Another problem is that the "fastback" term has recently been abused in automobile advertising. It is to the point almost all cars are marketed with this boastful superlative (BS). My attempt to remove original research and excessive pictures was reverted. Any assistance to clean up the list would be appreciated! CZmarlin (talk) 19:49, 9 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Exactly, so "if I believe" a car is a notchback, I can add it to the list? This is WP:OR.  Instead, cars should be included where bona fide references refer specifically to their notchback configuration.  Otherwise the list is bogus.842U (talk) 23:48, 12 March 2017 (UTC)