Talk:Notre Dame Fighting Irish football rivalries

Copyright Infringement
How is that copyright infringement? It had citations.--Srwm4 17:40, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

Rivalries?
I don't believe that ND is rivals with Texas and North Carolina. Libertyville | Talk 23:11, 27 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Agree - Notre Dame has played most of the Division I schools. If the bar were set at notching 1 victory in 16 tries or 2 in 8 tries to make a rivalry, there are other schools on page 155 of the Notre Dame media guide that have done better. I could make a better case for Carnegie Tech and Wisconsin. SMU should be out too. There also should be a separation between old and minor. Group29 17:41, 4 September 2007 (UTC)
 * This page has lots wrong. Rivalries with Illinois and Indiana?  GMAB.  Poorly lacking in citations, and reeks of original research. Tool2Die4 (talk) 03:02, 19 April 2008 (UTC)
 * This article is very poorly cited, although much is in fact true (the games were played, and the rivalries do exist). It is more likely written from a primary source, such as a media guide, that is not cited. I will attempt to hunt down verifiable links to confirm the article. Also, while not a rivalry, ND and North Carolina have played each other a good amount. But due to the lopsided nature of the series, it would be labeled more frequent opponent rather than a rivalry. The same would go for Northwestern and Indiana. Tedmoseby (talk) 04:59, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

Rivalries vs Frequent opponents
I think this article blurs the distinction between "rivalry" and frequent opponent. Since Notre Dame does not play in a conference, it is easy to understand why the article fails to make the distinction. If the purpose of this article is to discuss the rivalries of Notre Dame, the list should start with the following schools:

Current/active rivalries: USC, Michigan, Michigan St., Purdue, Navy, Pittsburgh, Boston College, and Stanford (due to the Legends trophy).

Inactive/cancelled/historic Rivalries/ series: Miami(the series was canceled because the rivalry got "out of control", Army (ND put its name on the map by playing/beating Army, but is not as intense since Army has not been as competitive since the 1950's to the present).

As for Georgia Tech and Air Force, ND frequently schedules them, but not frequently enough to be considered a rival in the football sense. The same would go for Northwestern and Indiana. They appear on the schedule often, but not often enough to be called a rivalry. Tedmoseby (talk) 05:16, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

Update May 2008
I have reduced this article considerably to those teams which are actually considered rivalries in one capacity or another. Before, the article was expanded to read more as a Notre Dame frequent opponents page. I have reorganized it to reflect intensity of the rivalries. The page is also split into continuous, major rivalries and intermittent rivalries, both active and inactive. Finally, it is organized by how Notre Dame schedules, not by conference. Michigan, USC, Purdue, Mich State and Navy are near permanent fixtures on Notre Dame's schedule and are treated as such. All other teams are considered active or inactive rivalries, but because they are not permanent fixtures on the Irish schedule, they are considered minor, historic, or infrequent. One may not agree with this criteria, but I believe in order to be a "major" rival, the teams should be playing each other annually.(i.e. the caliber of Michgan vs OSU, USC vs UCLA, Texas, vs Oklahoma, etc)Tedmoseby (talk) 00:58, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

Created separate Notre Dame-USC rivalry page
I created a separate rivalry page for the series and will be removing all but the most significant games from this page in an effort to shorten the article. I moved most of the notable games over to the page so they would not be lost, and I also sourced and edited the majority of the text to avoid plagiarism. Tedmoseby (talk) 23:26, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

Notre Dame/Michigan
In the header, it states that Michigan and Notre Dame are the two winningest schools in college football. This is incorrect; Texas has recently passes Notre Dame in total wins. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.68.146.202 (talk) 08:09, 26 November 2009 (UTC)


 * Winningest means win percentage. They are 1 and 2. Texas has several more wins than ND but also has a lot more losses, hence the disparity. Tedmoseby (talk) 23:28, 27 November 2009 (UTC)

Notre Dame – Army rivalry
Since it's active again, and has had as much national championship implications as the rivalries that have articles, I think it should have its own page. Thoughts?  Pur ple  back pack 89    00:28, 21 November 2010 (UTC)

ND-Purdue rivalry
I proposition to remove the list of games played from the section to the main article. Thoughts? Bullmoosebell (talk) 18:18, 22 November 2011 (UTC)

Article cleanup
I additionally propose the following edits to help cleanup the page: Thoughts? Questions? Comments? Bullmoosebell (talk) 19:56, 22 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Move Nebraska, Northwestern, & Penn State to the Big 10 section (because that is the FBS conference they are in).
 * Move Air Force, Army, and Navy to a new section (Service Academies).

The article is split into actual major rivals (as documented by both schools and referred to as such frequently in the media) and a section of long standing series that could be considered "rivalries" in a sense. I would propose a big ten section within the long standing series section, but to move Nebraska, Northwestern and PSU with the others would I think elevate those series to a level that doesn't really exist. The reasoning behind this is mainly to avoid every fan of another school just stating that ND is their rival, when in fact that might not be a widely held opinion. I think ND's lack of participation in a conference tends to open this up for debate a little more than it should.Tedmoseby (talk)

LSU Rivalry?
I'm a bit confused as to the inclusion of LSU as a Notre Dame rival. The schools have a played a total of 10 games. I propose removal of the LSU from this article. No offense to the original author but if 10 games is the threshold to constitute a rivalry with Notre Dame, where does it end? I think they might be confusing "series" with "rivalry." The two are completely different. Are there any sourced independent sources calling the LSU-ND series a rivalry? Tedmoseby (talk)

Video
Here's a video about the trophies at stake for those rivalries that the Notre Dame athletic department put out to celebrate having all of them for the first time since 1996. Some of the information in it could be used to help expand the article (especially add info on the Navy one). 76.106.175.157 (talk) 22:54, 12 December 2012 (UTC)