Talk:Novak Djokovic/Archive 5

Novak about Kosovo, his roots from Kosovo and Serb patriotism
Also he speaks that speaker who mistakenly called him Croat he said "He has hurted me too a lot, but didn't want to make scandals".

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreen&NR=1&v=tI2w5-GzfPA 79.175.89.239 (talk) 10:58, 22 February 2012 (

Real name
Vanja Udovicic's real name is Franjo (pure croatian name), he changed it because of fear, like Dijana's don't want to say she is Croat. But she is. However, she can feel she is Serbian but that will not mean Novak doesn't have croatian origin. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 46.188.252.196 (talk) 13:57, 11 June 2012 (UTC) FEAR - TOTAL BULLSHIT, Vanja ´s father is half Italian half croat, but his mother is a Serb and he grew up in Serbia. Djoković´s mother was born in Croatia but she is a Serbian and he is very proud of his origin. And bye the way Franjo is not pure Croatian name, that name has origin in lot of countries ( I´m from Slovenia and I´ve got 2 friends calling that name but they have both Slovenian origin). But if you want to count someones blood cells why don´t you do that with Goran Ivanišević and Dražen Petrović

Update this more frequently.
Nothing of his run to the semi-finals of Wimbledon and subsequent defeat by eventual champion Federer? That's hugely out of place.2.28.173.34 (talk) 23:21, 8 July 2012 (UTC)

RFC on how to handle significant alternate names
Since this may impact all biographies, including tennis bios, I thought it might be important. Good or bad this article on Novak Djokovic may be forced to move to Novak Đoković with no mention of the spelling Novak Djokovic allowed. Hey, that may be the preference here, and that's cool if so, but I thought it should at least be mentioned. Whatever your view it's at: RFC on Alternate names. Fyunck(click) (talk) 22:54, 23 July 2012 (UTC)

GA?
What do you think about nomination for GA? -- WhiteWriterspeaks 14:42, 17 August 2012 (UTC)


 * Maybe, but needs a lot of fix. In Finnish Wikipedia Novak Đoković article looks better. I wrote it there. For example, longer titles, not just years. --Stryn (talk) 15:08, 17 August 2012 (UTC)
 * It is far off from GA requirements. There are dead links, choppiness, unreferenced statements, etc. I think we should wait until the tour is over to work relaxed on it. Regards.--Tomcat (7) 14:03, 27 January 2013 (UTC)

article length
We have to be careful here on article length. Wikipedia likes 60k or less per article and certainly 100k or less. Things to shorten include: In popular culture, Investments (trivial), Sponsorships, 2012, 2010 (a lot), 2009 (a lot), and 2008. Let's get this well below the 100k threshold before an administrator tags it or a non-tennis editor whacks it down arbitrarily. Remember that each year can have its own article and 2007–2010 may need it. Fyunck(click) (talk) 19:56, 19 December 2012 (UTC)
 * And maybe somebody could make something like List of awards won by Novak Djokovic. --Stryn (talk) 20:08, 19 December 2012 (UTC)

Vandalism on greatest ever sentence
None of your sources say that he is the best. Your play on words for "considered the best" and "is the best" is vandalism. None of your sources in [a] say that they consider him the best other than Cash. 129.97.124.85 (talk) 22:48, 27 December 2012 (UTC)
 * The sentence in question reads "He is considered by many to be one of the greatest tennis players of all time." Notice "one" of the greatest, not the greatest. I just checked source "a" which leads to 10 sources... 9 of which provide info on Djokovic being one of the greatest players ever. That's sources like Rod Laver, Andre Agassi, FoxSports, BBC, Tim Henman, US Open website, and Andy Murray. I couldn't check one of the sources because it was a book I don't own. That's a lot of backing. Do I agree with it... maybe not... there's a lot of tennis history in its 130 years and a lot of intangibles that go into making a player great. But the sources added easily back the inclusion no matter what I might think. Fyunck(click) (talk) 23:23, 27 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Then please put in the webpage that he is not one of the best, that he is only considered as one of the best. I looked at all of your sources and none of them, except for Cash, say he is one of the best.  Stop the vandalism and stop semi-locking the page.  You are introducing lies.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.31.183.185 (talk) 23:43, 27 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Interesting... I read the same sources and they all say he is one of the greatest players. And the page already says "He is considered by many". Do you have trouble with English? No player written about anywhere is the greatest... it is all opinion...even with Federer, Nadal, Sampras Laver and Rosewall. You've been arguing this with many editors and vandalizing the page till I recently jumped in. Knock it off please. Fyunck(click) (talk) 01:25, 28 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Can someone in Wikipedia please ask this person (see post below) to stop vandalizing? Djokovic is not considered one of the best except by Cash.  None, I repeat, none of your references in [a] except for Cash consider him one of the best.  Stop falsifying results and stop the vandalism.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.31.183.185 (talk) 01:44, 28 December 2012 (UTC)
 * I am saying this for the n-th time: please stop the play of words. Djokovic is *not considered* one of the best by anyone other than Cash. Your sources in [a] do not support your falsification of info and is vandalism. Wikipedia administrators: please stop Fyunck from vandalizing the Djokovic webpage. Unlock the Djokovic Wikipedia page so that the info on it can be corrected. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.31.183.185 (talk) 02:59, 28 December 2012 (UTC)

Only 2 out of 10 sources consider Djokovic to be one of the greatest. Sounds like Wikipedia is subscribing to misuse of sources and vandalism. Strange that no one is is bothering to read the sources before they post. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.93.146.128 (talk) 14:03, 13 January 2013 (UTC)
 * We read, and Fyunck(click) read, all references are in line with statement. What is problem? This is vandalism what are you doing and please stop.--Soundwaweserb (talk) 14:16, 13 January 2013 (UTC)

If you read, are you prepared to go through each source and talk about their validity? Otherwise, you are vandalizing. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.93.146.128 (talk) 14:21, 13 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Do you know to read men? If you know, you will see that all references are in line with statement, evereything what are you doing is vandalism, please stop and did not remove valid references.--Soundwaweserb (talk) 14:26, 13 January 2013 (UTC)

Looks like you have not taken the time to read. Read (and understand) each source. Only 2 of 10 are valid. I can't believe you are vandalizing and spreading false info on Wikipedia. So much for Wikipedia. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.93.146.128 (talk) 14:30, 13 January 2013 (UTC)
 * WP:NOTVAND. Tb hotch .™ Grammatically incorrect? Correct it!  See terms and conditions.  03:38, 14 January 2013 (UTC)

record
He has reached 6th consecutive hard court grand slam final (since 2010 Us Open) This is a joint record with ivan Lendl from 1982-1987 US Open (australian open weren't on hard courts_EdGilmour (talk) 16:48, 24 January 2013 (UTC)

Edit request on 27 January 2013
10 titles (6 titles and 4 runner ups)

Ajay080192 (talk) 12:37, 27 January 2013 (UTC)

In terms of record,he is only the third player to win three consecutive Autralian open titles (<http://www.theage.com.au/sport/tennis/djokovic-piles-pain-on-murray-20130127-2dfgw.html.) This could be added under 2013 although I appreciate an earlier comment that the article is getting long Alexa Smith 01:23, 28 January 2013 (UTC)alexasmith — Preceding unsigned comment added by Alexasmith (talk • contribs)
 * Red question icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please be more specific about what needs to be changed. --Jnorton7558 (talk) 21:53, 6 February 2013 (UTC)

Djokovic-Ferrer "Rivalry"
Is this really necessary? I do not consider it a rivalry. Djokovic has beaten Ferrer in almost any match of significance, just because they've met 15 times doesn't mean there has to be a section on it. On top of that its poorly written and referenced. The article is already too long without unnecessary rivalries popping up. Mwhittaker92 (talk) 15:58, 22 February 2013 (UTC)

It isnt. Rivlary becomes "offical" when player is in top 3 on ATP list. Ferrer hasnt made it yet. --94.140.88.117 (talk) 19:11, 3 March 2013 (UTC)
 * "Official???" There are no "official" steps to becoming a rivalry. To make the "unofficial" wikipedia article page at List of tennis rivalries a player must be in the top three, but to make a stand-alone page it must receive significant press for years. Those happen a couple times per decade. Ferrer-Djokovic looks to be nothing imho. Fyunck(click) (talk) 22:03, 3 March 2013 (UTC)

Edit request on 5 April 2013
In the tennis career tab and 2008 sub-tab, you have mentioned "At the Australian Open, Djokovic reached his second consecutive Grand Slam final without dropping a set, including a victory over three-time defending champion Roger Federer in the semifinals." but Roger Federer was just two time defending champion and actually Novak became the first man in 2013 to win three back to back Australian Open tites.

Pratiklabhane (talk) 14:21, 5 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Novak may have been the first to win three consecutive Australian Open titles, but Federer won in 2004, 2006 and 2007 (non-consecutively). It still counts as three-time defending champion for Federer. Harryboyles 01:48, 6 April 2013 (UTC)

RfC on name spellings could affect this article's title and lead in the future - comments?
An ongoing RfC on name spellings could affect this article's title and lead in the future. Regardless of feelings please comment if interested on whether alternate English spellings should be banned or kept. Fyunck(click) (talk) 09:04, 27 May 2013 (UTC)

Djokovic-Murrray Rivalry
This section needs to be updated. The 11-8 win count includes both Wimbledon 2013 and 2012 Olympics, so Murray is 2-0 on grass... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.112.138.32 (talk) 12:57, 24 July 2013 (UTC)

Various slavic signs etc...
I'd like to share my logical dilema on this.

Why are there articles, all about tennis players, that have their names written in original, yet Novak's name (specifically surname) is written phonetically in English?


 * http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jan_Kodeš
 * http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goran_Ivanišević
 * http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mario_Ančić
 * http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ivan_Ljubičić
 * http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Janko_Tipsarević
 * http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tomáš_Berdych

why not then http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Novak_Đoković

Though I am not all against "novak djokovic" page, that page should exist and redirect to a proper page....the oposite of what is now the case.

it's just illogical. 78.1.107.135 (talk) 23:03, 24 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Because people have gotten too tangled up in Wikipedia's bureaucracy and forget to WP:IAR.  VEO one five 19:51, 27 August 2013 (UTC)

Edit request on 6 October 2013 - novak djokovic is no. 2 in the world
182.64.199.73 (talk) 04:10, 6 October 2013 (UTC)


 * According to ATP, he still #1. Tb hotch .™ Grammatically incorrect? Correct it!  See terms and conditions.  04:30, 6 October 2013 (UTC)

Well, then you'd better not have him and Nadal be No. 1 unless you are a Nole fan. Get real. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.93.146.124 (talk) 23:58, 6 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Yeah, because my reply makes me by default a fanatic and the writer of the article. Tb hotch .™ Grammatically incorrect? Correct it!  See terms and conditions.  00:03, 7 October 2013 (UTC)

Well, that is a possibility but Wikipedia continues to distribute inconsistency by listing both Nadal and Djokovic as No. 1. You don't care I assume... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.93.146.124 (talk) 03:21, 7 October 2013 (UTC)

WP:TENNIS discussions
I thought I should mention the ongoing discussions going on at WP:TENNIS; we are discussing how career statistics list should be modelled, it would be nice if any of you would participate in it. --TIAYN (talk) 15:19, 31 October 2013 (UTC)

Country
Novak was represented Serbia and Montenegro from 2003 to 2006. As we use the name of the birthplace at the time of birth, in the infobox should write the names of all the countries for which he was competed. That's the way it is done on many other pages. Serbia and Montenegro did not change name and flag, Serbia is a new and different country. --Aca Srbin (talk) 18:55, 8 November 2014 (UCT)
 * I'm not sure how it works with all others. In a citizenship change, yes. But Serbia became the legal successor of the union after the breakup, while Montenegro had to re-apply for membership in all international organizations. You're probably correct but do others also fall under this same type of umbrella? Fyunck(click) (talk) 19:07, 8 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Serbia inherited the state union Serbia and Montenegro, practically these were two separate states, Serbia is the only country for which he played Novak Djokovic. Montenegro had its own institutions and the tennis association. Novak competed only for Serbia.--Soundwaweserb (talk) 19:20, 8 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Serbia is not the only country for which he played. Novak played for Serbia and Montenegro from 2003 to 2006 in Davis Cup, Grand Slams and ATP Tour. For example: ,,,, Serbia became the legal successor of the union, it's ok, but still it is a different state. --Aca Srbin (talk) 21:03, 8 November 2014 (UCT)

And that is only represented Serbia, not the state union. Montenegro had its own tennis federation, competed only for Serbia, where he was born. State union Serbia and Montenegro does not have tennis federation, they separate.--Soundwaweserb (talk) 20:13, 8 November 2014 (UTC)
 * This is not true. There was only one state, and at all competitions sportpersons competed under one flag. Alongside Novak's name is stated only "SCG" or flag of Serbia and Montenegro. There was only one national Davis Cup team:, it was organized by one federation. Montenegro Tennis Association was responsible only for clubs and competisions in Montenegro. It became a member of ITF in 2006. and Montenegro Davis Cup team made its debut in Davis Cup in 2007. Serbia became the legal successor of former country. It was not the same country as Serbia today. --Aca Srbin (talk) 22:14, 8 November 2014 (UCT)
 * Yes, it is true. They were separate from 2003, and Serbia is only the legal successor of the FR Yugoslavia/S.U. Serbia and Montenegro.--Soundwaweserb (talk) 21:23, 8 November 2014 (UTC)
 * They were separate from 2006. When we say: legal successor, that means there are different countries. One state is the successor of the other. I have never seen separate appearances athletes from Serbia and from Montenegro during 2003-2006. --Aca Srbin (talk) 22:28, 8 November 2014 (UCT)
 * It was only Tennis Federation of Serbia during 2003-2006, not Montenegro. Later Montenegro maybe have own, please stop vandalize this page with your political agenda. It is clear that the only country is competing Novak is Serbia.--Soundwaweserb (talk) 21:35, 8 November 2014 (UTC)

Discussion is not over and the problem has not been solved. I don't vandalize this page! Novak played for Serbia and Montenegro from 2003 to 2006 in Davis Cup, Grand Slams and ATP Tour. It is fact. This is evidence: ,,,,

I think this is the most appropriate solution for infobox: (2003–2006) 🇷🇸 (2006–) That's the way it is done on many other pages --Aca Srbin (talk) 23:53, 8 November 2014 (UCT)