Talk:Novak Djokovic/Archive 6

Real name
Vanja Udovicic's real name is Franjo (pure croatian name), he changed it because of fear, like Dijana's don't want to say she is Croat. But she is. However, she can feel she is Serbian but that will not mean Novak doesn't have croatian origin. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 46.188.252.196 (talk) 13:57, 11 June 2012 (UTC) FEAR - TOTAL BULLSHIT, Vanja ´s father is half Italian half croat, but his mother is a Serb and he grew up in Serbia. Djoković´s mother was born in Croatia but she is a Serbian and he is very proud of his origin. And bye the way Franjo is not pure Croatian name, that name has origin in lot of countries ( I´m from Slovenia and I´ve got 2 friends calling that name but they have both Slovenian origin). But if you want to count someones blood cells why don´t you do that with Goran Ivanišević and Dražen Petrović

Update this more frequently.
Nothing of his run to the semi-finals of Wimbledon and subsequent defeat by eventual champion Federer? That's hugely out of place.2.28.173.34 (talk) 23:21, 8 July 2012 (UTC)

RFC on how to handle significant alternate names
Since this may impact all biographies, including tennis bios, I thought it might be important. Good or bad this article on Novak Djokovic may be forced to move to Novak Đoković with no mention of the spelling Novak Djokovic allowed. Hey, that may be the preference here, and that's cool if so, but I thought it should at least be mentioned. Whatever your view it's at: RFC on Alternate names. Fyunck(click) (talk) 22:54, 23 July 2012 (UTC)

article length
We have to be careful here on article length. Wikipedia likes 60k or less per article and certainly 100k or less. Things to shorten include: In popular culture, Investments (trivial), Sponsorships, 2012, 2010 (a lot), 2009 (a lot), and 2008. Let's get this well below the 100k threshold before an administrator tags it or a non-tennis editor whacks it down arbitrarily. Remember that each year can have its own article and 2007–2010 may need it. Fyunck(click) (talk) 19:56, 19 December 2012 (UTC)
 * And maybe somebody could make something like List of awards won by Novak Djokovic. --Stryn (talk) 20:08, 19 December 2012 (UTC)

Vandalism on greatest ever sentence
None of your sources say that he is the best. Your play on words for "considered the best" and "is the best" is vandalism. None of your sources in [a] say that they consider him the best other than Cash. 129.97.124.85 (talk) 22:48, 27 December 2012 (UTC)
 * The sentence in question reads "He is considered by many to be one of the greatest tennis players of all time." Notice "one" of the greatest, not the greatest. I just checked source "a" which leads to 10 sources... 9 of which provide info on Djokovic being one of the greatest players ever. That's sources like Rod Laver, Andre Agassi, FoxSports, BBC, Tim Henman, US Open website, and Andy Murray. I couldn't check one of the sources because it was a book I don't own. That's a lot of backing. Do I agree with it... maybe not... there's a lot of tennis history in its 130 years and a lot of intangibles that go into making a player great. But the sources added easily back the inclusion no matter what I might think. Fyunck(click) (talk) 23:23, 27 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Then please put in the webpage that he is not one of the best, that he is only considered as one of the best. I looked at all of your sources and none of them, except for Cash, say he is one of the best.  Stop the vandalism and stop semi-locking the page.  You are introducing lies.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.31.183.185 (talk) 23:43, 27 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Interesting... I read the same sources and they all say he is one of the greatest players. And the page already says "He is considered by many". Do you have trouble with English? No player written about anywhere is the greatest... it is all opinion...even with Federer, Nadal, Sampras Laver and Rosewall. You've been arguing this with many editors and vandalizing the page till I recently jumped in. Knock it off please. Fyunck(click) (talk) 01:25, 28 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Can someone in Wikipedia please ask this person (see post below) to stop vandalizing? Djokovic is not considered one of the best except by Cash.  None, I repeat, none of your references in [a] except for Cash consider him one of the best.  Stop falsifying results and stop the vandalism.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.31.183.185 (talk) 01:44, 28 December 2012 (UTC)
 * I am saying this for the n-th time: please stop the play of words. Djokovic is *not considered* one of the best by anyone other than Cash. Your sources in [a] do not support your falsification of info and is vandalism. Wikipedia administrators: please stop Fyunck from vandalizing the Djokovic webpage. Unlock the Djokovic Wikipedia page so that the info on it can be corrected. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.31.183.185 (talk) 02:59, 28 December 2012 (UTC)

Only 2 out of 10 sources consider Djokovic to be one of the greatest. Sounds like Wikipedia is subscribing to misuse of sources and vandalism. Strange that no one is is bothering to read the sources before they post. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.93.146.128 (talk) 14:03, 13 January 2013 (UTC)
 * We read, and Fyunck(click) read, all references are in line with statement. What is problem? This is vandalism what are you doing and please stop.--Soundwaweserb (talk) 14:16, 13 January 2013 (UTC)

If you read, are you prepared to go through each source and talk about their validity? Otherwise, you are vandalizing. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.93.146.128 (talk) 14:21, 13 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Do you know to read men? If you know, you will see that all references are in line with statement, evereything what are you doing is vandalism, please stop and did not remove valid references.--Soundwaweserb (talk) 14:26, 13 January 2013 (UTC)

Looks like you have not taken the time to read. Read (and understand) each source. Only 2 of 10 are valid. I can't believe you are vandalizing and spreading false info on Wikipedia. So much for Wikipedia. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.93.146.128 (talk) 14:30, 13 January 2013 (UTC)
 * WP:NOTVAND. Tb hotch .™ Grammatically incorrect? Correct it!  See terms and conditions.  03:38, 14 January 2013 (UTC)

record
He has reached 6th consecutive hard court grand slam final (since 2010 Us Open) This is a joint record with ivan Lendl from 1982-1987 US Open (australian open weren't on hard courts_EdGilmour (talk) 16:48, 24 January 2013 (UTC)

GA?
What do you think about nomination for GA? -- WhiteWriterspeaks 14:42, 17 August 2012 (UTC)


 * Maybe, but needs a lot of fix. In Finnish Wikipedia Novak Đoković article looks better. I wrote it there. For example, longer titles, not just years. --Stryn (talk) 15:08, 17 August 2012 (UTC)
 * It is far off from GA requirements. There are dead links, choppiness, unreferenced statements, etc. I think we should wait until the tour is over to work relaxed on it. Regards.--Tomcat (7) 14:03, 27 January 2013 (UTC)

Edit request on 27 January 2013
10 titles (6 titles and 4 runner ups)

Ajay080192 (talk) 12:37, 27 January 2013 (UTC)

In terms of record,he is only the third player to win three consecutive Autralian open titles (<http://www.theage.com.au/sport/tennis/djokovic-piles-pain-on-murray-20130127-2dfgw.html.) This could be added under 2013 although I appreciate an earlier comment that the article is getting long Alexa Smith 01:23, 28 January 2013 (UTC)alexasmith — Preceding unsigned comment added by Alexasmith (talk • contribs)
 * Red question icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please be more specific about what needs to be changed. --Jnorton7558 (talk) 21:53, 6 February 2013 (UTC)

Djokovic-Ferrer "Rivalry"
Is this really necessary? I do not consider it a rivalry. Djokovic has beaten Ferrer in almost any match of significance, just because they've met 15 times doesn't mean there has to be a section on it. On top of that its poorly written and referenced. The article is already too long without unnecessary rivalries popping up. Mwhittaker92 (talk) 15:58, 22 February 2013 (UTC)

It isnt. Rivlary becomes "offical" when player is in top 3 on ATP list. Ferrer hasnt made it yet. --94.140.88.117 (talk) 19:11, 3 March 2013 (UTC)
 * "Official???" There are no "official" steps to becoming a rivalry. To make the "unofficial" wikipedia article page at List of tennis rivalries a player must be in the top three, but to make a stand-alone page it must receive significant press for years. Those happen a couple times per decade. Ferrer-Djokovic looks to be nothing imho. Fyunck(click) (talk) 22:03, 3 March 2013 (UTC)

Edit request on 5 April 2013
In the tennis career tab and 2008 sub-tab, you have mentioned "At the Australian Open, Djokovic reached his second consecutive Grand Slam final without dropping a set, including a victory over three-time defending champion Roger Federer in the semifinals." but Roger Federer was just two time defending champion and actually Novak became the first man in 2013 to win three back to back Australian Open tites.

Pratiklabhane (talk) 14:21, 5 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Novak may have been the first to win three consecutive Australian Open titles, but Federer won in 2004, 2006 and 2007 (non-consecutively). It still counts as three-time defending champion for Federer. Harryboyles 01:48, 6 April 2013 (UTC)

RfC on name spellings could affect this article's title and lead in the future - comments?
An ongoing RfC on name spellings could affect this article's title and lead in the future. Regardless of feelings please comment if interested on whether alternate English spellings should be banned or kept. Fyunck(click) (talk) 09:04, 27 May 2013 (UTC)

Djokovic-Murrray Rivalry
This section needs to be updated. The 11-8 win count includes both Wimbledon 2013 and 2012 Olympics, so Murray is 2-0 on grass... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.112.138.32 (talk) 12:57, 24 July 2013 (UTC)

Various slavic signs etc...
I'd like to share my logical dilema on this.

Why are there articles, all about tennis players, that have their names written in original, yet Novak's name (specifically surname) is written phonetically in English?


 * http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jan_Kodeš
 * http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goran_Ivanišević
 * http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mario_Ančić
 * http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ivan_Ljubičić
 * http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Janko_Tipsarević
 * http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tomáš_Berdych

why not then http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Novak_Đoković

Though I am not all against "novak djokovic" page, that page should exist and redirect to a proper page....the oposite of what is now the case.

it's just illogical. 78.1.107.135 (talk) 23:03, 24 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Because people have gotten too tangled up in Wikipedia's bureaucracy and forget to WP:IAR.  VEO one five 19:51, 27 August 2013 (UTC)

Edit request on 6 October 2013 - novak djokovic is no. 2 in the world
182.64.199.73 (talk) 04:10, 6 October 2013 (UTC)


 * According to ATP, he still #1. Tb hotch .™ Grammatically incorrect? Correct it!  See terms and conditions.  04:30, 6 October 2013 (UTC)

Well, then you'd better not have him and Nadal be No. 1 unless you are a Nole fan. Get real. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.93.146.124 (talk) 23:58, 6 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Yeah, because my reply makes me by default a fanatic and the writer of the article. Tb hotch .™ Grammatically incorrect? Correct it!  See terms and conditions.  00:03, 7 October 2013 (UTC)

Well, that is a possibility but Wikipedia continues to distribute inconsistency by listing both Nadal and Djokovic as No. 1. You don't care I assume... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.93.146.124 (talk) 03:21, 7 October 2013 (UTC)

WP:TENNIS discussions
I thought I should mention the ongoing discussions going on at WP:TENNIS; we are discussing how career statistics list should be modelled, it would be nice if any of you would participate in it. --TIAYN (talk) 15:19, 31 October 2013 (UTC)

Novak about Kosovo, his roots from Kosovo and Serb patriotism
Also he speaks that speaker who mistakenly called him Croat he said "He has hurted me too a lot, but didn't want to make scandals".

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreen&NR=1&v=tI2w5-GzfPA 79.175.89.239 (talk) 10:58, 22 February 2012 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 3 February 2015
Can someone please edit Novak's wikipedia profile Image? It's horrible.

202.46.22.10 (talk) 08:53, 3 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: If you happen to own a better image or have access to a freely licensed one, feel free to suggest it. Cannolis (talk) 13:01, 3 February 2015 (UTC)


 * Done – I have just changed Djokovic's profile image. JayJ47 (talk) 03:17, 6 February 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 6 February 2015
Please change: The pair have met 9 times in finals, with Murray having advantage 5–4. Five of the finals were ATP Masters 1000 finals, with Murray winning the first three in straight sets, but Djokovic defeated Murray in the most recent 2 finals: first in straight sets, second in three sets. They have met in four Grand Slam Finals: The 2011 Australian Open, the 2012 US Open,[185] the 2013 Australian Open and the 2013 Wimbledon Championships. Djokovic has won in Australia twice,[186] but it was Murray who emerged as the victor at the American Grand Slam and Wimbledon.

To: The pair have met 10 times in finals, with a split record of 5-5. Five of the finals were ATP Masters 1000 finals, with Murray winning the first three in straight sets, but Djokovic defeated Murray in the most recent two finals: first in straight sets, second in three sets. They have met in five Grand Slam Finals: The 2011 Australian Open, the 2012 US Open,[185] the 2013 Australian Open, the 2013 Wimbledon Championships, and the 2015 Australian Open. Djokovic has won in Australia three times,[186] but it was Murray who emerged as the victor at the American Grand Slam and Wimbledon.

Laki10 (talk) 16:07, 6 February 2015 (UTC)
 * ✅--Soundwaweserb (talk) 16:20, 6 February 2015 (UTC)

Requested move 26 February 2015

 * The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section. 

The result of the move request was: Not moved. There is clear consensus against moving Novak, while there isn't much conversation one way or the other about Marko (so no consensus for a move there either). &mdash; Amakuru (talk) 23:01, 6 March 2015 (UTC)

– Following normal en.wp practice for -vić Serbian bios, such as Milošević etc. (see Category:Serbian-language surnames), per full unicode English hardback sources such as John Grasso Historical Dictionary of Tennis ‎2011 "December: Novak Djoković wins two singles matches and helps Serbia defeat France to win the Davis Cup." Note that Djoković with a "Dj" is the now less used older Roman Serbian spelling, per Gaj's Latin alphabet, while in the modern romanization of Serbian (such as supermarket tabloid newspapers like Blic) "Dj" is now more usually rendered with "Đ", so Đoković. However both Đ and Dj are still used in Serbian so the proposal is to move to a middle position which retains consistency with en.wp's -vić Serbian bios but is fully transparent and recognizable to English-language tennis fans. In ictu oculi (talk) 08:26, 26 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Novak Djokovic → Novak Djoković
 * Marko Djokovic → Marko Djoković


 * Oppose - No idea about Marko Djokovic. But per the ATP, per USA Today, per Novak Djokovic official English website, per Novak Djokovic's official clothing line, per the Novak Djokovic Foundation, per the Wall Street Journal, per Air Serbia, per the Toronto Star, per BBC Europe, per the International Tennis Federation, per Tennis World, per International Business Times, per Business Insider, per UAE The Notional, per The Irish Times, per The Times of India, per Vogue Magazine, per the new Yorker, per New Zealand's Otago Daily Times, per Japan Times, per Eyewitness News South Africa, per his official Twitter account, and per his official Facebook account, he is known as Novak Djokovic in English. No real reason to mess with this just like the last two failed move requests. Fyunck(click) (talk) 09:33, 26 February 2015 (UTC)


 * Support. The subject is known primarily for activities in or representing Serbia and his name should be represented as such (like other similar figures' Wikipedia article titles).  While some sources can't use diacritics for technical reasons or have style manuals that prohibit diacritics, Wikipedia does not.  Wikipedia is an online, Unicode-based reference work that need not reflect archaic typographical limitations. This is the standard practice Wikipedia follows for names in Latin-alphabet languages (e.g. Nikola Čačić, Nebojša Đorđević).  —  AjaxSmack   17:00, 26 February 2015 (UTC)
 * The subject? Which one are you talking about since there are two and we have one primarily in Serbia and one international superstar? And all Novak's personal pages are allowed diacritics yet he chooses not to use them. I don't see a diacritic in his signature either (though it's pretty sloppy). Again if this is about Marko I don't know much about him. Fyunck(click) (talk) 18:34, 26 February 2015 (UTC)


 * Oppose per Fyunck. He seems to use English spelling (Djokovic) everywhere. –  nafSadh did say 18:54, 26 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Oppose Novak Djoković is not his proper name in Serbian if that what the prosper is asking. Secondly common name in English and English sources clearly show Djokovic no accent no alternate spelling. This is not international wikipedia but the ENGLISH and therefore ENGLISH sources should be used. 88.105.150.243 (talk) 22:53, 26 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Oppose per WP:COMMONNAME Red Slash 01:27, 27 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Oppose. Bud Collins is the top tennis reference work, vastly outselling Grasso. I don't think Collins uses diacritics at all. The sports almanacs are even more widely used than Collins. We should follow a reference that a professional copy editor might reach for. Grasso is clearly an outliner. The eigenvector (talk) 02:40, 27 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Oppose per Fyunck AND COMMONNNAME - If he uses and prefers the English version then we should respect that and use it too. – Davey 2010 Talk 05:08, 27 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Oppose Again this argument has come up if you in put his name in Serbian on Google Translate here Новак Ђоковић the spelling that comes out in English is Novak Djokovic on encyclopedia britannica both without the diacritic and concur with other opposer comments:--Navops47 (talk) 06:48, 27 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Most of the above expected. User talk:Fyunck(click) you have been through all of Wikipedia removing "ć" from text body for one other Serbian person's name, can you explain why these individuals should be treated differently from normal Wikipedia practice?
 * Likewise User:Navops47 User:Red Slash also User talk:Davey2010 please look again at WP:COMMONNAME which only applies to the Dj not the issue of ć, see the examples in guideline and the following section. User:The eigenvector your argument would apply to every East European bio on en.wp, so you need to make an argument as to why we should follow 26-letter ABC fonts in this article but not all other East European bios. The issue isn't why this one bio should have "ć", but why it should be the only Serbian bio that doesn't, why shouldn't it follow standard en.wp practice? what are your answers to this question? User:Nafsadh The RM was proposed on the grounds of en.wp consistency, so please address why consistency is wrong is this case. In ictu oculi (talk) 07:37, 27 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Simply put if Novak Djokovic himself has no problem with his name being spelt Novak Djokovic in English as per his own official website http://novakdjokovic.com/en/novak-djokovic/ which does not have the diacritic showing then it shouldn't be added here he obviously doesn't have an issue with it so why should you regarding consistency as with all other official source's here http://www.itftennis.com/procircuit/players/player/profile.aspx?playerid=100004087 and here http://www.atpworldtour.com/Tennis/Players/Top-Players/Novak-Djokovic.aspx and here http://www.ausopen.com/en_AU/players/overview/atpd643.html and here http://www.rolandgarros.com/en_FR/players/overview/atpd643.html and here http://www.wimbledon.com/en_GB/players/overview/atpd643.html and here http://2014.usopen.org/en_US/players/overview/atpd643.html and here http://novakdjokovicfoundation.org/ they all consistently do not use the diacritic English spelling --Navops47 (talk) 08:24, 27 February 2015 (UTC)
 * I'll honor past administrative advice to not engage with user In ictu oculi except to defend myself. So no comment. Fyunck(click) (talk) 08:35, 27 February 2015 (UTC)
 * User:Navops47 what relevance does listing websites with basic ABC fonts have to the RM proposal? One website says "Janko Tipsarevic and Nenad Zimonjic, led by team captain Bogdan Obradovic" so the website you have cited doesn' use full Unicode fonts, en.wikipedia does. Are you aware of this? - that en.wp uses "ć"? In ictu oculi (talk) 14:33, 27 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Encyclopedia Britannica obviously has the ability to print eastern European diacritics, but chooses not to use them in this case. Only a few eastern European tennis players are listed in EB. So it wouldn't necessarily trigger a mass movement of articles if we accepted the idea that EB trumps Grasso. The eigenvector (talk) 10:21, 28 February 2015 (UTC)
 * User:The eigenvector you say "it wouldn't necessarily trigger a mass movement of articles if we accepted the idea that EB trumps Grasso." We would have to move approx 499,997 articles to conform with the three ć-less articles. Can you please justify why this article should be inconsistent with the rest of the East Europe bio article stock? In ictu oculi (talk) 06:22, 1 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Our spelling should be consistent with that of a reference that someone in the publishing industry might use, for example Encyclopedia Britannica or the ESPN Almanac. The spelling of a contemporary tennis player doesn't have to be consistent with that of a historical figure or even that of a player in another sport. This RM is only about this title anyway. The eigenvector (talk) 10:30, 2 March 2015 (UTC)


 * Support, Wikipedia should not be limited to being a lapdog to the inaccurate presentations of the media. We should act more as an encyclopaedia rather than a press cutting scrap book.  We should present the guys name correctly.  GregKaye 19:05, 28 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Of course it's not just the media since Novak specifically spells his name that way himself. Fyunck(click) (talk) 19:19, 28 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Fyunck(click) as the editor responsible for the removal of "ć" from hundred plus articles mentioning Ana Ivanović you made a similar assertion that because Ivanović's manager employed a web designer in Slough UK to build a website which doesn't give -vić to any Eastern European players there for Ivanović "wants" her name to be de-"ć"-ed. The problem with this idea of yours that you know Ivanović and Novak's minds is that you're going from a consistent website to an inconsistent website. You're saying that because Ivanović and Novak's managers employ webdesigners with basic ABC fonts, to make consistent commercial home pages, therefore Ivanović and Novak want to be treated different from all other Serbian nationals on en.wp. You personally are saying "Ivanović and Novak don't want to be treated like other Serbian citizens by us". That's the issue, and that's the problem with your having cleaned "ć" from every mention of Ivanović in pages which bristle with dozens of other "ć" names. Your fanship for these two players is leading you to make them different from other Serbians. In ictu oculi (talk) 06:22, 1 March 2015 (UTC)


 * Comment the Serbian article is Новак Ђоковић. GregKaye 19:44, 28 February 2015 (UTC)
 * But that's just another wiki article... his own personal English websites (that allow diacritics) don't have them. Fyunck(click) (talk) 19:55, 28 February 2015 (UTC)
 * "own personal English websites (that allow diacritics)" is this true - does Novak's website have ć for other Serbs and only de-ć himself? No of course not - as above to User:Navops47 "what relevance does listing websites with basic ABC fonts have to the RM proposal? One website says "Janko Tipsarevic and Nenad Zimonjic, led by team captain Bogdan Obradovic" so the website you have cited doesn' use full Unicode fonts, en.wikipedia does." that website was exactly Novak's management company's website. In ictu oculi (talk) 06:22, 1 March 2015 (UTC)


 * Oppose per reliable sources presented above, including the subject's own website. -- Calidum  04:38, 2 March 2015 (UTC)


 * Oppose the same reasons as Fyunck.Many websites include the official website of Nole is Novak Djokovic.--Chinyen Lu (talk) 00:48, 4 March 2015 (UTC)


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Country
Novak was represented Serbia and Montenegro from 2003 to 2006. As we use the name of the birthplace at the time of birth, in the infobox should write the names of all the countries for which he was competed. That's the way it is done on many other pages. Serbia and Montenegro did not change name and flag, Serbia is a new and different country. --Aca Srbin (talk) 18:55, 8 November 2014 (UCT)
 * I'm not sure how it works with all others. In a citizenship change, yes. But Serbia became the legal successor of the union after the breakup, while Montenegro had to re-apply for membership in all international organizations. You're probably correct but do others also fall under this same type of umbrella? Fyunck(click) (talk) 19:07, 8 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Serbia inherited the state union Serbia and Montenegro, practically these were two separate states, Serbia is the only country for which he played Novak Djokovic. Montenegro had its own institutions and the tennis association. Novak competed only for Serbia.--Soundwaweserb (talk) 19:20, 8 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Serbia is not the only country for which he played. Novak played for Serbia and Montenegro from 2003 to 2006 in Davis Cup, Grand Slams and ATP Tour. For example: ,,,, Serbia became the legal successor of the union, it's ok, but still it is a different state. --Aca Srbin (talk) 21:03, 8 November 2014 (UCT)

And that is only represented Serbia, not the state union. Montenegro had its own tennis federation, competed only for Serbia, where he was born. State union Serbia and Montenegro does not have tennis federation, they separate.--Soundwaweserb (talk) 20:13, 8 November 2014 (UTC)
 * This is not true. There was only one state, and at all competitions sportpersons competed under one flag. Alongside Novak's name is stated only "SCG" or flag of Serbia and Montenegro. There was only one national Davis Cup team:, it was organized by one federation. Montenegro Tennis Association was responsible only for clubs and competisions in Montenegro. It became a member of ITF in 2006. and Montenegro Davis Cup team made its debut in Davis Cup in 2007. Serbia became the legal successor of former country. It was not the same country as Serbia today. --Aca Srbin (talk) 22:14, 8 November 2014 (UCT)
 * Yes, it is true. They were separate from 2003, and Serbia is only the legal successor of the FR Yugoslavia/S.U. Serbia and Montenegro.--Soundwaweserb (talk) 21:23, 8 November 2014 (UTC)
 * They were separate from 2006. When we say: legal successor, that means there are different countries. One state is the successor of the other. I have never seen separate appearances athletes from Serbia and from Montenegro during 2003-2006. --Aca Srbin (talk) 22:28, 8 November 2014 (UCT)
 * It was only Tennis Federation of Serbia during 2003-2006, not Montenegro. Later Montenegro maybe have own, please stop vandalize this page with your political agenda. It is clear that the only country is competing Novak is Serbia.--Soundwaweserb (talk) 21:35, 8 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Discussion is not over and the problem has not been solved. I don't vandalize this page! Novak played for Serbia and Montenegro from 2003 to 2006 in Davis Cup, Grand Slams and ATP Tour. It is fact. This is evidence: ,,,,


 * I think this is the most appropriate solution for infobox:
 * (2003–2006) 🇷🇸 (2006–)
 * That's the way it is done on many other pages --Aca Srbin (talk) 23:53, 8 November 2014 (UCT)

Aca Srbin - Don't add to the main page while under discussion. Soundwaweserb - don't delete talk page items unless it is true vandalism. Assume good faith. Other tennis editors may stop by and give their own advice to form some sort of consensus. Fyunck(click) (talk) 23:19, 8 November 2014 (UTC)
 * In doing my own cursory check of male and female players in categories like "Serbia and Montenegro tennis players", and "Serbian tennis players" I would be inclined to agree with Aca Srbin in that's the way we normally do it here, we list them both. Now whether we should is a different matter. Obviously if a player switches from playing from Russia to Bulgaria we always place both sets of info. When a country changes it's name/flag/or splits it's a tougher call when a player may have lived in the same city during those times. Serbia considers the Fed Cup team of "Serbia and Montenegro" as the Serbia fed Cup team... Montenegro does not. In country naming all sorts of worms can come out of a can if we have to start checking those things. My call would be to check the ATP/WTA/ITF and use what they use. In looking at the French Open official draw sheet in 2005 Novak Djokovic was listed as playing for SCG (Serbia and Montenegro). Same for the US Open drawsheet, so that's what I would use for that time period. It makes it easy to source if needed, and if anything on wikipedia is challenged sourcing is what we fall back on. Others may have a different thought process? Fyunck(click) (talk) 07:08, 9 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Hypothetically, imagine that Scotland voted for independence and Andy Murray is competing for them from this year, would we put in his infobox only Scotland or something like this:
 *  (2005–2014) (2014–)
 * I'm sorry if someone feels offended by this example. Obviously, it would not be the same country (or national team) and situation. Also, Natasha Zvereva (from Belarus), Larisa Neiland (from Latvia) and Leila Meskhi (from Georgia) played for their independent countries, but before that they played for Soviet Union and reach together to final of 1990 Federation Cup. It would be wrong to not put in infobox both countries.


 * Novak also won futures tournaments in Serbia and Montenegro, for example: . Before that he played for FR Yugoslavia (Serbia and Montenegro) national team in 2001 ITF World Junior Tennis Competition: --Aca Srbin (talk) 16:43, 9 November 2014 (UCT)

What means word country in the box? but, what do we do in the case of Germany or the Czech Republic? CarRadovan (talk) 17:54, 9 November 2014 (UTC)
 * if this is a political name of country, then Aca Srbin maybe right about Novak Djokovic, but not for Natasha Zvereva, because in her case it would look like this:
 * USSR (1988-1991)
 * CIS (1991-1992)
 * Belorussia (1992-1994)
 * Belarus (1994- )
 * if this is a the name of national team, then Soundwaweserb right, because:
 * Belorussia or Belarus, the name of the same national team
 * West Germany or Germany, the name of the same national team
 * Czechoslovakia or Czech Republic, the name of the same national team
 * Serbia and Montenegro or only Serbia, the name of the same national team!
 * It is the name of the country they represent in international tennis. Germany isn't much of an issue since East Germany was barred from competing in international events. Fyunck(click) (talk) 19:04, 9 November 2014 (UTC)
 * CIS is not country, it was a kind of temporary solutions, when we talk about national teams. Belorussia and Belarus is the same national team. Also, FR Yugoslavia and Serbia and Montenegro, but Serbia is not the same national team (definitely not the same country). It is successor of results, but not same. The same goes for these other cases. --Aca Srbin (talk) 20:42, 9 November 2014 (UCT)

Again, the rules, way for all other articles and WikiProject Tennis discussions are violated. Djokovic was represented Serbia and Montenegro from 2003 to 2006 in Davis Cup, Grand Slams and ATP Tour. For example: ,,,,. As we use the name of the birthplace at the time of birth, in the infobox should write the names of all the countries for which he was competed. Serbia and Montenegro did not change name and flag, Serbia is a new and different country. This is the one and only true facts. In tournaments where he was competed under Serbian flag we should put only Serbian flag, but in an article about the whole career we should put all the countries for which he was competed. It is only fair and objectively respect the history of former countries. --Aca Srbin (talk) 12:35, 13 February 2014 (UCT)
 * Per CarRadovan. Serbia is country of Novak.--Soundwaweserb (talk) 11:45, 13 February 2015 (UTC)
 * It is now, but was not in 2003-2006 period. Btw, CarRadovan said: "If this is a political name of country, then Aca Srbin maybe right about Novak Djokovic" and why he is relevant? --Aca Srbin (talk) 13:20, 13 February 2014 (UCT)
 * Because the only country was Serbia, not Montenegro.--Soundwaweserb (talk) 12:25, 13 February 2015 (UTC)
 * It is not true. They both were constituent countries of Serbia and Montenegro. Djokovic was represented Serbia and Montenegro in international tennis event in 2003-2006 period, it is fact! --Aca Srbin (talk) 13:42, 13 February 2014 (UCT)
 * It is true, Serbia and Montenegro is the same as Serbia. And that is fact. Please stop insult wikipedia and please stop vandalize this page. Thank you.--Soundwaweserb (talk) 12:49, 13 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Please, stop me falsely accusing. Serbia and Montenegro is the same as Serbia? Totally pointless and inaccurate. --Aca Srbin (talk) 13:55, 13 February 2014 (UCT)
 * Again, please stop, I explained all.--Soundwaweserb (talk) 13:07, 13 February 2015 (UTC)

Again, rules, way for all other articles and WikiProject Tennis discussions are violated. Novak Djokovic was represented Serbia and Montenegro from 2003 to 2006 in Davis Cup, Grand Slams and ATP Tour. For example: ,,,,. --Aca Srbin (talk) 20:26, 27 March 2014 (UCT)
 * Again, Novak Djokovic was represented only Serbia.--Soundwaweserb (talk) 19:54, 27 March 2015 (UTC)
 * I have references from reliable sources. He was represented Serbia and Montenegro from 2003 to 2006. During this period, Serbia was not an independent state. Do you have references that Novak was represented only Serbia at the time? Please, stop making threats and politicize this situation. This is the way for all other articles and agreement in the WikiProject Tennis. If you want to bring in new rules, we would have to agree at talk page and then change it. --Aca Srbin (talk) 23:39, 27 March 2015 (UTC)

One for the Investment section?
Looks like Djokovic has launched a new range of gluten free foods or snacks a couple of days ago "DJOKOlife". There's lots on google, here's a link. Could one of the existing editors add it in? Tennispompom (talk) 07:52, 22 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Well, he isn't quite advertising healthy foods with that. Gluten free ≠ healthy. The only people gluten forms a health risk for, are people with a gluten allergy. There's no problem with consuming gluten for people who don't have such an allergy. Moreover gluten free foods contain replacement substances needed to perform the functions gluten normally performs in food. These replacements, in contrary to gluten, are unhealthy. Tvx1 00:02, 4 June 2015 (UTC)
 * How is the quality / gluten content relevant to inclusion or otherwise in the Investments section? Tennispompom (talk) 17:22, 6 June 2015 (UTC)

Donations
I think we should add new section to this article, named Donations. Novak has donated a lot of things numerous times, to Serbian Orthodox Church, for the medical needs for children, with most recent one, 3,000,000 dinars that allowed Serbian team to go to 2015 Special Olympics World Summer Games donations. What do you think? Maybe entire section should be renamed, like Public work (or Off the court), with subsections Sponsorships, Investments, and Donations (or Philanthropy)? -- Ąnαșταη  ( ταlκ )  14:16, 15 June 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 18 July 2015
Please edit the records section as the entry "3+ runner-up finishes at 2 Majors" is now shared by Roger Federer. Please make the corresponding addition to the Federer page as well.

Dhruvanand93 (talk) 11:48, 18 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made.  True CRaysball  | #RaysUp 19:21, 6 August 2015 (UTC)

Greatest match
The article says, "with the 2012 Australian Open final being considered the greatest match ever seen".

The page for the 2008 Wimbledon Championships – Men's Singles final says, "It is widely regarded as the greatest match in the history of tennis".

Clearly they can't both be the greatest match. Maybe it's better to lose hyperbole and cite more sober comments? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 149.241.226.114 (talk) 01:11, 28 June 2015 (UTC)
 * It's clear that the claim on the Wimbledon final article is desperately outdated. The sources used to back it all date to 2009, three years before the aforementioned AO final. Tvx1 17:34, 4 July 2015 (UTC)
 * The problem is there are many candidates for greatest match since it's such a subjective subject. Neither is correct and neither is wrong. Fyunck(click) (talk) 17:40, 4 July 2015 (UTC)
 * In that cause we should change if from the greatest to one of the greatest, which is more neutral. Tvx1 21:39, 4 July 2015 (UTC)
 * This is probably a good idea. It's like the greatest player debate. We have quotes from the same authority saying a different player is the greatest ever. When there are multiple quotes with different viewpoints it's best to say "one of the greatest" or perhaps "some sources have called it the greatest." That we could have 5 or 6 matches that say "some sources have called it the greatest" without it stepping on the toes of other greatest matches. heck I watched them both and still have a hard time saying they were any better than witnessing the Borg/McEnroe Wimbledon final from 1980. Or the Federer/Roddick final of 2009. Or the Graf/Navratilova French final of 87. Recent always gets the nod by press and fans though as being the latest and greatest. Fyunck(click) (talk) 23:51, 4 July 2015 (UTC)
 * I have the exact same opinion as you on those matches. I watched both of them too I and I have a hard time considering them greater than those others you mentioned. In fact, I rate two more Wimbledon finals high up there. The 2001 Ivanisevic/Rafter final, which was another epic thriller which produced a wildcard winning a grand slam title, and the 2014 Federer/Djokovic final which was another epic battle between all-time greats. And the 2007 Federer/Nadal final was quite gripping as well if you ask me. Tvx1 16:09, 5 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Absolutely true. Of course, yours and my opinions don't matter... only what we can source. But when multiple sources say different matches are the greatest ever, we have to be careful here how we use the term. Fyunck(click) (talk) 18:31, 5 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Speaking of greatest matches, I have seen one last night that had a quality that I haven't seen that often yet. Tvx1 16:30, 5 September 2015 (UTC)
 * You talking Nadal/Fognini? Amazing stuff. Fyunck(click) (talk) 17:30, 5 September 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 14 September 2015
Please change Novak Djokovic's Grand slam titles from 9 to 10 because he won a few minutes ago tonight.

Yaliyu01 (talk) 03:03, 14 September 2015 (UTC)


 * Pictogram voting wait.svg Already done Inomyabcs (talk) 03:25, 14 September 2015 (UTC)

Donkey cheese claim apparently false
According to this nytimes article http://dinersjournal.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/12/19/dont-worry-donkey-cheese-is-still-available/, the donkey cheese claim in the "Investments" section is false. Someone should remove it, or add a disputing article.


 * ✅ Inomyabcs (talk) 03:45, 14 September 2015 (UTC)

Name spelling
I know there was a huge talk about this but I think that current name spelling is not correct. It actually is what is written on ATP rankings and so, but why only for Novak Đoković you use Novak Djokovic for Wikipedia? Every other tennis player form Serbia or Croatia, and every other public figure is spelled with Serbian/Croatian letters. Why is Novak different? I will just remind you with this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Janko_Tipsarevi%C4%87 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ivan_Ljubi%C4%8Di%C4%87 https://sh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marin_%C4%8Cili%C4%87 So ether change all Serbo/Croatian spelling or make it for Novak to be the same. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 95.155.24.199 (talk) 13:57, 14 September 2015 (UTC)
 * We go by English sourcing and consensus. Djokovic was the overwhelming choice. Fyunck(click) (talk) 18:34, 14 September 2015 (UTC)
 * After seing the deleted comment from the IP I must say one simple thing to all this sort of requests in the future: This article will be named the way English-language sources name him, simple. This is English Wikipedia and it is written in English.  The requests to change the spelling would be just as if someone would come to Serbian Wikipedia asking for the article of Vienna (in Serbian Beč) to be renamed Wien just because that is the way it is written in original. No, Beč article will stay as Beč in sr.wiki because that is how the city is named in Serbian, and Novak Đoković article will stay Novak Djokovic because that is the way he is named in English.
 * The irony here is that we Serbs write foreign names the way we want. So IP, just imagine the opposite situation, a bunch of Americans coming to Serbian Wikipedia bitching why Džordž Vašington article isn't written as George Washington.  That would be ridiculs, wouldn't be? FkpCascais (talk) 01:27, 15 September 2015 (UTC)
 * The thing he was correct about is that we aren't consistent at wikipedia. The sources in English are very consistent but when editors get together to decide on spelling, all hell breaks loose and the voting goes in all sorts of directions. One thing though. A lot of times we also look at a persons official English website or twitter account to see how they spell it in English. Novak officially spells it Djokovic in English. Fyunck(click) (talk) 02:51, 15 September 2015 (UTC)


 * You are still missing my point. My question is why only Novak Djokovic? Why not thousands of other articles 95.155.24.199 (talk) 13:24, 15 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Because Novak Đoković is by far the most notable one, and the one that receves enormous ammout of citations, attention and media coverage, so, by simple logic, English-language media used and use a spelling which is more comfortable for them.
 * There is a parallel situation with Serbian football clubs. Why is only Red Star Belgrade having a translated article title and other Serbian clubs use the original Serbian Latin scrypt name? Well because Red Star is too often cited and English-language sources named the club that way (Red Star Belgrade instead of FK Crvena zvezda), and here on English Wikipedia we follow the rule of WP:COMMONNAME for article titles. If Tipsarević, Ćilić etc happened to be written by majority of English-language sources in another way, they would also be renamed to the most common spelling.  It really has nothing to do with Đoković or Serbia or Serbs. FkpCascais (talk) 18:20, 15 September 2015 (UTC)
 * You need to understand English-language naming conventions for foreign names. For instance, I read somewhere that English-language translates or adapts names of languages that are originally written in a different scrypt than Latin, but tend to use the original names for languages using Latin.  Now, in practice this means that Russian football clubs and names are written in proper forms, while the names of, exemple, Austrians, are written in original. Regarding Serbia, English language considers Serbia to be part of the Serbo-Croatian language that uses both Latin and Cyrillic scrypt, however, because it uses Latin, the names are written in original. So that is why most Serbian and Croatian related articles have their titles in S-C original spelling. HOWEVER, there is one exception, which is for names of people or institutions of exceptional importance and which are often cited, then English-language reserves herself the right to name it the way it is more suitable for them, like in the case with Đoković. You can also see the case of Belgrade, which was cited enough times in the past that ended up receiving an English name, versus the cases of Kruševac, Šabac, Niš, etc. which are written in original Serbian Latin spelling. FkpCascais (talk) 18:38, 15 September 2015 (UTC)
 * So, this is not at all a case of discrimination or anything else towards Serbia, but you can even see it in a opposite way, English-language community cites Đoković so much that they even adopted him and gave him an adaptation/translation for his name. Someone expert in linguistics could certainly explain this in a simplier and clearer way than me, but I hope I answered the question. FkpCascais (talk) 18:45, 15 September 2015 (UTC)
 * It is really all about the amount of citations a foreign name has in English-language publications. If has substantial amount, it may end up receiving an adapted version of spelling which would be more suitable for English-language speakers. The case of Đoković is clear, English-language simply cite him too often, and English-language ended having an adaptation of spelling for his name. FkpCascais (talk) 19:10, 15 September 2015 (UTC)
 * You are again messing things. You compare Novak Djokovic with other Serbs, and that was not my intention. My idea is to compare Novak Djokovic with other non Serbian articles that are named on native language here and that are famous as Djokovic is or even more. For example, Bjorn Borg. He was, for now, more successful Tennis player then Djokovic. So your story about citations and stuff is wrong. If you do the same thing for every person here I wouldn't mind. But when spear has to be broken only on Djokovic, a Serb, forgive me but I have to be suspicious with your intentions. This is a pure double rules and standards. And your giant texts will not hide your intentions.
 * What intentions? I am Serb, all I want is this and other articles to have quality. Regarding the name, if in English-language publications his name is written with Dj instead of Đ and c instead of ć, that only happend because those letters are not used in English, and he is cited so much that English language simply adapted a simplified version of Djokovic just to make it easier for English-language writers and readers.  There really isn't any other reason besides that one. Also, Djokovic is not the only case, I cant see now any exemple at hand but I am sure he is not the only one. Ice-hockey players have most of them, regardless of being Polish, Czech, Slovak, etc. a name in the article title written without diacritics, despite having them in the name. FkpCascais (talk) 22:17, 15 September 2015 (UTC)


 * But you aren't really listening to us. Usually, with a lack of sources, we have been adding the diacritic marks. But when we have sources to look at we go with those sources. We tend to have lots of sources when a player wins some Majors. Borg was about 50/50 with the diacritics in English so whoever voted chose to stay with it. French champion Max Décugis was found to have a heavy English spelling of Max Decugis, so that is what we use. The official ATP and ITF websites never use diacritics with Djokovic. Novak Djokovic himself uses Djokovic in English, so we do too. It's the same with Martina Navratilova. We don't spell it as they do in the Czech Republic with Navrátilová. Also with Victoria Azarenka... our article is not at the way it's spelled in Belarus, (Viktoryja Azaranka). Fyunck(click) (talk) 22:39, 15 September 2015 (UTC)


 * Oh, you didn't needed Fyunck to remove it, it was not an insult neither some major PA. I can even answer to him: IP, it is hard to understand your logic.  You seem to believe that writing Djokovic instead of Đoković will make him less Serbian, that it is an anti-Serbian action, why?  What is the logic behind that?  Even Nole in his personal website has written Djokovic.  He seems to prefer to have it written that way for non-Serbian context, probably because he is aware that Djokovic is easier for non-Serbs to read and pronounce than Đoković.  Even we Serbs often use Dj instead of Đ, and Dj is clearly more suitable and practical for others to pronounce Serbian names than Đ which the vast majority doesn't know how to pronounce. So, what advantage you see for Serbia and Serbs in wanting to make English-language speaking people twist their tongue by writing Đoković instead of using an already established and much easier version of Djokovic which makes them immediately recognize the brilliant Serbian tennis player? FkpCascais (talk) 19:43, 16 September 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 22 September 2015
Djokovic set a new record after his win in US Open Please, add that to his "Other records".
 * Highest ATP ranking total points (16145) source

DjokerNole87 (talk) 19:16, 22 September 2015 (UTC)
 * ✅ --Wolbo (talk) 10:31, 23 September 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 8 November 2015
The "Rivalries" section, vs. Murray, ends with "Their most recent meeting was in the final of the 2015 Rogers Cup, where Murray truimphed in three sets...". They've played twice since that match, with Djokovic winning both times. Most recent being the Paris final, on Nov 8. Another update to this may be needed after the Tour Finals in London.

Similarly, vs. Wawrinka: "Most recently, Djokovic defeated Wawrinka at the 2015 Cincinnati Masters." They also met in the Paris semis, on Nov 7 (may also meet in London).

It might also be interesting to note his love of skiing, and the fact that he actively ensures his sponsorship deals do not prevent him from it. Can also draw a contrast with Federer, who also likes it, but avoids it due to the risk of injury. Several sources can be found, such as: http://www.thenational.ae/sport/tennis/novak-djokovic-differs-with-federer-over-the-love-for-slopes or http://uk.reuters.com/article/2015/03/02/uk-tennis-djokovic-interview-idUKKBN0LX1PM20150302 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Suirad17 (talk • contribs) 04:39, 9 November 2015 (UTC)


 * I updated those statistics.  Vanjagenije  (talk)  20:45, 22 November 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 26th November
From the introductory paragraphs: — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tehnoodnub (talk • contribs) 22:58, 25 November 2015 (UTC)

"In Grand Slams, Djokovic has won an Open Era record 5 Australian Open titles, 3 consecutive titles from 2012-2013 and is the only player to achieve both feats."

The above should read as 2011-2013. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tehnoodnub (talk • contribs) 22:57, 25 November 2015 (UTC)
 * ✅--Soundwaweserb (talk) 23:32, 25 November 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 10 October 2015
I agree with the IP. Novak Dokovic is half Monteneigran, half Croatian and since he is wrong about his ethnicity it would be nice to state it in the article since many people are wondering about that. I googled for a bit and there are really too many results on google so that qualifies that info as an interesting enough to be stated in the article, although it is not really mandatory or even not very usual to state ethnicity for every single person. However from case to case that seems to be an interesting fact to state.

Here is the source: http://arhiv.slobodnadalmacija.hr/20060730/sport03.asp

Since the source is in Croatian I will translate his own statement: "My mother in a Croat from Vinkovci, and father Monteneigran".

The concrete request is to add ethnicity info to infobox. If not to the infobox because of the first reason stated above than this will be added to the article body under Early and personal life. Let's start with the infobox for now, because the first reason stated above does not forbid to state it. It only gives suggestion to what is generally expected to be stated, but as I said, from case to case it is nice to add other info that qualify as interesting and since he is very well known as a Serbian tennis player it is very interesting to see that he is not Serbian by ethnicity, but half Croatian, half Monteneigran. 178.151.135.224 (talk) 22:07, 10 October 2015 (UTC)


 * Even if that, now quite old, interview he gave when he was 19 to a Croatian newspaper Slobodna Dalmacija was used to decide his nationality, it would still be Serbian, and only Serbian. Lets see exactly what Djokovic said in the interview:


 * Novak Djokovic: When I got into the quarter-finals of Roland Garros, I receved a call from prime-minister Koštunica who congratulated me for the archievement. I was in shock cause he knew all about me.  That my mother was Croat, despite being born in Belgrade, cause all her family is from Vinkovci, and I have plenty of relatives there.  My father is Montenegrin, and I am...
 * Slobodna Dalmacija: He is half-way, so Serb.
 * Novak Djokovic: Yes, yes, but that is not important - he laughed.


 * So, not sure how exactly you pretend for a person born in Serbia, representing Serbia internationally, and claiming that is Serbian, remove that fact and replace it by half Montenegrin half Croatian? You really believe your proposal is correct and objective? FkpCascais (talk) 01:21, 11 October 2015 (UTC)


 * Note here that you are mixing his nationality and ethnicity. By nationality he is Serbian, and by ethnicity he is half Croatian, half Montenegrin. As an example, the world famous actor Rade Serbedzija is Croatian of Serbian ethnicity. The source is reliable and I don't see how this wouldn't be included in the article since this very own discussions show that this fact is obviously interesting enough. People seem to wonder and people make mistakes. Here we have a source where Djokovic himself is speaking of his ethnicity and it would be advisable to include it in the article in one way or another. It is interesting enough for this article. I see you are Serbian and it seems to me that your whole attitude is that "they are taking away Djokovic from us". That is not the case and he will still be a Serbian tennis player. It wouldn't be right to hesitate to state his ethnicity because some Serbs are afraid that someone is "taking away Djokovic" from them. Here we have a RS and I think it's quite obvious that this info qualifies as interesting enough to include it in the article. The very own request where the IP suggested that he is half Croatian and half Serbian shows that people are interested in this fact and that they make mistakes. We have a chance to include a RS in the article where Djokovic himself is speaking of his ethnicity and that's enough for me. 109.197.10.195 (talk) 13:56, 11 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the template. Deactivating the template since there is obviously some disagreement about it and therefore not really in the scope of a edit request. My two cents: if the reliability of the source is not in question, it seems worth including in his early life section - e.g. "Monteneigran father Srđan and Croatian mother Dijana". I do not think adding it to the infobox is as good an idea - the athlete infoboxes typically do not refer to "nationality" or "ethnicity", simply the country they represent.  Cannolis (talk) 14:51, 11 October 2015 (UTC)


 * Cannolis, I personally think it's a good idea to include it in the infobox, since this info is clearly trivia for this person. You can google for yourself and you will find that it qualifies as interesting enough to include it in the infobox, although it is not usual to include such info in the infobox. However, I won't really push it to the infobox, since I don't even understand why the opposition to that. Well I understand that some Serbs will feel like someone is "taking away Djokovic from them", but that's not really a valid opposition. No one is taking away anyone, but we are listing a fact that Djokovic himself had confirmed. Thus, I agree with your suggestion to include it in the article. I don't think I need to prove that the source is reliable. No one had questioned it. So, please continue to include the sentence you suggested to the article. I would only suggest that it is clearly stressed that his ethnicity is half Croatian, half Montenegrin. I think that the usage of the word ethnicity would prevent further confusion and that it would be clearly stated that he is a Serbian tennis player, but that he is not Serbian by ethnicity which is an interesting fact by itself. 109.197.10.195 (talk) 15:24, 11 October 2015 (UTC)


 * Your statement "I don't think I need to prove that the source is reliable." is entirely incorrect, and, as you describe it as "trivia" it should not be included. - Arjayay (talk) 08:06, 12 October 2015 (UTC)


 * Unfortunatelly for you disruptive indef-blocked User:Asdisis evading block trough IP, Djokovic doesnt say anywhere that he is half Croatian half Montenegrin. FkpCascais (talk) 12:24, 12 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Don't be mixing my words. Are you questioning the source? I won't have any trouble to show it is reliable if that is the case. I can even find more reliable sources if you have doubts, but I feel your attitude is hostile, Arjayay. FkpCascais, the source says what it says and that will be included in the article. The more you object, the more is evident that this article misses that info.194.152.253.49 (talk) 13:28, 12 October 2015 (UTC)


 * I added to the article what the source exactly says. The problem is not the source or its content, the problem is your (miss)interpretation of it. You claimed several times here Djokovic himself said he was half Croatian half Montenegrin and you are tring to add that to the artice, however all Djokovic says is that his father is Montenegrin and mother Croatian, right next he actually says he is Serbian.  So we can only add what is in the source, not more than that. Also, it would be good to have more recent sources, this one is from when he was 19. FkpCascais (talk) 16:18, 12 October 2015 (UTC)


 * You just added the exact thing I suggested to be added. What am I misinterpreting? You are making no sense at all. You seemed to oppose my suggestion and then all of the sudden you went and edit it to the article. What's your problem? 194.226.8.147 (talk) 16:56, 12 October 2015 (UTC)


 * He never said that he was half Montenegrin half Croatian as you initially claimed. FkpCascais (talk) 17:23, 12 October 2015 (UTC)
 * What??? You just entered that fact to the article. By ETHNICITY he is half Croatian - half Monteneigran. You just said his mother is a Croat and that his father is Monteneigran. You blow my mind.194.226.8.147 (talk) 17:30, 12 October 2015 (UTC)

Can we close now when we have a consensus, Cannolis? 194.226.8.147 (talk) 18:36, 12 October 2015 (UTC)
 * There is no consensus. Here Novak's father says that he is Serb and his family — link. Also, here is Novak said something about his ethnicity . Everything is clear, request of IP address should be rejected. Thank you.--Soundwaweserb (talk) 21:16, 12 October 2015 (UTC)


 * I'm sorry. I can help to a certain extent but I'm not as good in Serbian to look trough all this. I think you also know this would be a primary source, and we already have a secondary source that speaks of the matter. A secondary source whit Djokovic's own statement. However, although I'm not as good in Serbian I think I can translate your whole position as you expressed it here. To quote your statement to FkpCascais:"What's your problem and why are you introducing lies and Croatian propaganda to the article. No one made you to enter Novak parent's supposed nationality to the article. Without any reason you are destroying the article of such a great sportsmen. We all know Novak is Serbian and he represents Serbia, and we don't have to speak about how much he loves Serbia. It is not right for you to do this and with that you are backing up nationalistic and shovinistic propaganda.". The answer by FkpCascais is also interesting: "Why did you come to fuck me around here. "We all know Novak is Serbian bla bal". UU big argument. We don't "know" here, but go there and move your ass and I shouldn't do all over there. They have a source where Novak himself said those things and you go and find sources to deny that one. "
 * I think you two have the stand that Novak will less of Serbian if he is not Serbian by ethnicity and I can only repeat. Nobody is "taking away Novak" from the Serbs by stating a fact about his parents that he himself confirms. Seriously guys, stop with that and let't do it according to the RS. It won't make Novak any less of Serbian, even though he is not Serbian by ethnicity. 188.242.144.157 (talk) 22:13, 12 October 2015 (UTC)


 * FkpCascais already entered that to the article and I agree, and the admin himself suggested that edit. So 3 people agree and I even won't count the IP who started this second request. I don't know the position of one editor who seems to be oriented to mixing up my words, but I don't think he will oppose when we have a RS. So that leaves only this new guy who feels Novak will be less of a Serbian if we state that his parents are not Serbs. That's not really a valid position and I assure him that is not the case in any way. 188.242.144.157 (talk) 22:17, 12 October 2015 (UTC)
 * No, you're wrong. Maybe I was not clear enough, so I'll repeat it. I gave relevant references about his ethnicity, your reference is not relevant. You obviously come here to attack users. Personally attack me and other user with which you disagree or have different views. Sorry, I have good intentions, you do not.--Soundwaweserb (talk) 22:41, 12 October 2015 (UTC)


 * No you didn't. You just feel that this will make him less of a Serbian. Well it won't. Well consider how he would feel if you said the things you just said about him to his face. He is probably very proud of both his nationality and ethnicity. 188.242.144.157 (talk) 23:20, 12 October 2015 (UTC)

First of all, Djoković is a Serbian by nationality and ethnicity , this source that this person is writing about are Croatian newspapers not very famous about spreading the truth. And that is the ONLY source that are trying to write about that, second of all - here is the source that talks about that Djokovići are from Kosovo in ENGLISH ( my father, granfather are all from Kosovo ) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tI2w5-GzfPA — Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.139.46.170 (talk • contribs) 17:50, 1 December 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 10 October 2015
Could you maybe include his ethnicity to the infobox. Djokovic is half Croatian (on mother's side)-half Serbian(on father's side). Thank you. 95.110.35.193 (talk) You have not supplied WP:RS|reliable sources]] to support your statements about his parents His parentiage is not sufficient; You would need a reliable source quoting Djokovic stating that he considered himself to be half Croatian and half Serbian - Arjayay (talk) 17:28, 10 October 2015 (UTC)
 * ❌ for three reasons:-
 * Ethnicity is not a parameter supported by Template:Infobox tennis biography so cannot be inserted


 * I don't think that Wikipedia forbids that to be stated in infobox. I think that's a nice touch and I will state it, well try. I can provide RS and I'll be back with them. The third reason is really something i first heard of. RS are enough to introduce that edit. That's interesting thing you just stated, that we need his own statement about his ethnicity. I'm sorry, but his own opinion on that matter is irrelevant in Wikipedia. Even if he stated otherwise that would be irrelevant to the question of his ethnicity. I really do not have to note that there's a bunch of articles which state someone's ethnicity without the statement from the person in question. I would like to discuss more about that third reason because I even saw articles that state something directly against to what the person in question states himself. But that's more a Wiki policy discussion. 89.22.129.45 (talk) 21:36, 10 October 2015 (UTC)


 * In the link provided in the next section from another IP with same edit-request, we can see that Novak Djokovic considers himself Serbian. The fact that he says his father is Montenegrin and mother Croat is not him referring to himself and his own ethnicity. So what is the doubt here? FkpCascais (talk) 03:44, 11 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Also, what Arjayay said is not that if you had such source that you could insert it immediately at the article, but that in this case you have no sources to back-up you edit request, and having at least one such would be that one, would at least open a discussion here, but obviously secondary sources are the strongest ones, not primary. FkpCascais (talk) 03:49, 11 October 2015 (UTC)

Croatian newspapres Slobodna Dalmacija are already had problems about spreading false information to the public and I´ve would not be surpised that this is a lie also, used only to spread Croatian propaganda, especially because there are no other sources confirming other origin then Serbian,and plus: 1. In this link between minute 5:00 and 5:10 Novak˙s father says that ˙We are Serbs, and will always be Serbs˙( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k_FtleVsXuY), 2. Djoković family are celebrating Arhandjeo Mihajlo Slava, Slava´s are traditional celebration founded in early middle ages period , celebrated only by the Serbs , and that is tradition that goes through the family and you can actually see the origin of your family if you study that tradition - so HE MUST have Serbian origin or ethnicity because Montenegro and Croats do not celebrate that, neither the other ortodox nations , and above that St .Nikola and Arhandjeo Mihajlo are the 2 biggest Slava˙s in Serbia so his family must have lived in Serbia for a long time ago , because for instance the most spreaded Slava among Serbs in Croatia is St. Georgije ( Djurdjevdan) and so on and on .... Slobodna Dalmacija is not as nearly enough evidence, so this proclamation of his ethnicity is nothing more then provocation — Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.100.170.70 (talk) 19:41, 28 December 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 2 January 2016
AlexanderPierce2 (talk) 00:55, 2 January 2016 (UTC)


 * Red question icon with gradient background.svg Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format. Cannolis (talk) 01:49, 2 January 2016 (UTC)

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Novak Đoković has a Serbian origin..

quote from the Serbian news portal

The truth is that my wife is Croatian, but it is also true that she living in Serbia for more than 40 years and that is a loyal citizen of our state. Her parents are former military personnel born in Vinkovci, Croatia, Serbs are normal people and my wife never had problems as other nations.

http://arhiva.kurir-info.rs/arhiva/2006/avgust/04/SP-04-04082006.shtml

Srbinđoković.93.138.81.194 (talk) 20:11, 21 January 2016 (UTC)

Wawrinka
Wawrinka was no more than a party spoiler. The win-loss (19-4) ratio is heavily on the Djokovic's side. It's difficult to talk about their rivalry.--65.220.39.187 (talk) 19:41, 22 January 2016 (UTC)

2015 French Open
Djokovic didn't win the 2015 French open as stated in the info panel. Wawrinka beat Djokovic in the final. The 2015 French open page will confirm this.130.56.81.166 (talk) 03:36, 29 January 2016 (UTC)
 * It does not state that he won see (F) means three finals not 3 wins.--Navops47 (talk) 04:03, 29 January 2016 (UTC)

3rd player ever?
By reaching the 2015 US Open final, he became the third player *ever* to reach the finals of all four grand slams in the same season, after Rod Laver and Roger Federer. Does this make sense? Crawford 1933, Budge 1938, Hoad 1956? 31.217.27.24 (talk) 21:19, 30 November 2015 (UTC)
 * It sounds wrong. Fyunck(click) (talk) 21:56, 30 November 2015 (UTC)
 * He is the 7th player to reach all four GS finals in a calendar year Jack Crawford 1933, Don Budge 1938, Frank Sedgman 1952, Lew Hoad 1956, Rod Laver 1962,69, Roger Federer 2006,07,09, Novak Djokovic 2015 and only the third player in the Open Era see: Overall tennis records – men's singles.--Navops47 (talk) 04:13, 29 January 2016 (UTC)