Talk:November Rain

Longest Song
This song is claimed to be the longest song on the top 20, but wasn't No More Tears (Enough is Enough) by Donna Summer and Barbra Streisand longer (11:43)?


 * It's unclear which version of that song charted. Only one version is actually longer than "November Rain". GrimmC (talk) 23:22, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

Was this song based on a short story or novel by author Del James?

--> It was based on the short story "Without You" by Del James. If I remember correctly, it can found in the compilation book "The Language of Fear". Solidius 14:28, 6 February 2006 (UTC)

I've added the short story to the Wikipedia article over November Rain. Included is a link to the actual website. However, the whole story is on the November rain wiki entry. You're welcome.

All Too Well [Taylor’s Version] Officially knocks November Rain off as the longest song to ever hit the top 10, sentence should be deleted NOverPowered (talk) 19:01, 27 November 2021 (UTC)

October Rust
a pun on the title of November Rain?
 * Possibly, but I would like to see some statements from the Type O Negative bandmembers that support this theory before I believe it. -- SoothingR(pour) 08:44, 6 November 2005 (UTC)

Who else worked on this recording?
Was it just the band using synths, or were there any contribution from session musicians? --Robert Merkel 04:40, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

Rock 1000 2006 NZ
Here is a cite for this: http://www.therock.net.nz/Music/tabid/68/articleID/478/Default.aspx

Dunno if it is suitable, or how to cite, so thought I'd whack it here for someone to incorporate.


 * Can this please be rephrased? The segment "an annual countdown of the top 1000 rock songs by New Zealand radio listeners" makes this sound like New Zealand radio listeners, in general, voted. The Rock isn't a bad station, but it certainly isn't indicative of all NZ radio listeners. kabl00ey 22:04, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

Epic Ballads?
It says in the article "At 8 minutes and 57 seconds, it is an epic rock ballad (in the tradition of "Hotel California," "Dry County," "Stairway to Heaven," "Free Bird," "Won't Get Fooled Again" and "Bohemian Rhapsody")" A couple of those songs really don't qualify as epic ballads, but just long songs. Can someone take a few out or something?

Will you be fine with me taking the “epic ballad” off off Hotel California? The last two minutes of the song is the guitar solo by Don Felder and Joe Walsh KevinML (talk) 05:40, 13 December 2020 (UTC)

Longest Guitar Solo in Top 10 Hit?
The reference given doesn't seem to say anything about it that is ironclad, and I don't believe it to be true either... remove it? -mustangwill —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mustangwill (talk • contribs) 19:45, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

Hard rock
How can anyone call this a hard rock song? It doesn't even feature any elements of rock music until 3 minutes into the song. I've tried every genre I can think of that's more suitable, but every time it gets reverted. There's no denying that this isn't a hard rock song either though. What should the infobox say? --Rock Soldier 19:31, 8 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Hard rock songs can be hard rock and still be mellow or slow. The genre isn't just 3 chord bar band blues played in 4/4 time. It can be performed with just a single acoustic guitar or piano just as easy as it can be performed with twin leads, a wailing frontman and a pounding rhythm section. 156.34.218.39 19:37, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

Hard rock played on an acoustic guitar or piano isn't hard rock, it's hard rock replicated acoustically. There's a very, very fine line between hard rock and a symphonic ballad. This song does indeed progress to a hard rock point towards the end, but it is not a hard rock song. Categorizing it as hard rock is saying that it is a song written similarly to most of Guns N' Roses other songs, saying that when it comes to genre, "November Rain" lies side-by-side with "Welcome to the Jungle". Please reconsider. Guns N' Roses indeed are a hard rock band, but that does not mean that every song they play is hard rock. Especially not this one. --Rock Soldier (talk) 20:33, 12 December 2007 (UTC)


 * Agreed. It's not "Patience," but it's not "Sweet Child" either. Probably most accurate to say that it's one of the softer songs (even including classical arrangements) by a band that was generally known for its hard rock singles. Some historians/critics (e.g., Chuck Klosterman) would put GNR into the Hair Band category, and the "power ballad" was something of a staple in that genre. C d h (talk) 16:13, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

Hard rock fused with blues, Rock balled, rock and roll,smooth jazz, and progressive rock? Here's my theory, the song gives off a feeling that the artist is pushing through smoke simmaler to that seen in hard rock and progressive rock when Axl's lyrics kick in. It also builds up like progrssive rock. Axl also sings kind of Bluesy in this song, Slash's solos' also sound bluesy and have hints of smooth jazz. As for Rock and Roll, picture the opening played on accoustic guitar aside from the piano part, it has hints of early beatles, and I do not believe there would be any requirements for what instruments rock and roll is played with in order to be catagorised as rock and roll. Ihe piano part does sound like a rock balled in the intro for sure, no matter how I picture it, unless I picture it played on a saxophone in which it only has hints of a rock balled and is soft jazz, again, no requirements. The ending is a fusion of a hard rock and blues. The orchestra definatly sounds like a rock balled aside from the intro which does until you analisise it. Maybe it should look like this Rock and Roll, Rock Balled, and smooth jazz(?) (intro) hard rock, progresive rock, rock balled, and blues (general) hard rock and blues (ending) blues and smooth jazz (guitar solo's) who see's what I am thinking here? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 63.198.113.60 (talk) 16:42, 2 November 2008 (UTC)


 * November rain is definitely a hard rock/symphonic rock/progressive rock song. It definitely fits the power ballad category too. The "heavy metal" tag does not make any sense at all. This song does not sound like a piece from Manowar or Megadeth. Smooth jazz is complete nonsense. The solos definitely contain a blues feel since Slash is known for having a blues approach and he knows about pentatonic scales. I am a huge fan of The Beatles and the reference to them is complete nonsense. The proper spelling is "ballad" and not "balled", "definitely" and not "definatly".
 * ICE77 (talk) 01:06, 26 November 2015 (UTC)


 * I've truly never seen Guns N Roses mentioned in the context of progressive rock. Where's the source for this being either progressive or symphonic rock other than the fact that it's long and has an orchestral backing on it? (neither of which qualify songs for those genres alone) Rodericksilly (talk) 01:49, 11 January 2016 (UTC)

Question of her death "November Rain"
September 26, 2007

Hello there,

I have always been qurious to know how Axles wife in the video November Rain passes away so suddenly. If the video is clear on how she dies then i must be missing something. I noticed a mirror in the coffin, i was told she was shot. Can someone tell me what really happend. This song has captivated me since i was twelve and it still does now, even twelve years later "November Rain" remains a favorite to me.

Thank You,

J Lindberg

-Just before Slash's first solo, I believe, you can see Axl walking by a gun store. I assume he bought a gun, which Seymour used to kill herself, hence the mirror-line down her face. 72.241.105.214 21:29, 26 October 2007 (UTC)


 * It's all in the article, take a look.
 * --Rock Soldier (talk) 20:34, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

The article suggests she was trampled by guests when the more likely inference is that it was a gunshot wound (likely self-inflicted). Had someone try to tell me that she died by jumping through the wedding cake. 118.210.228.53 (talk) 22:19, 28 March 2010 (UTC)

Since my edit pertains to this section, I thought that I'd announce it here. I deleted the line, "It's also highly plausible that that perhaps Slash melted her face off with a rockin' guitar solo." because, quite frankly, this is really stupid and totally betrays the serious nature of the video. While all the other theories presented are credible (although it would be nice to have site sources of others who have analyzed the video), I think the "rockin' guitar solo" theory is so rediculous that it's not worth even mentioning. Most likely that it was added by some hardcore fan who thought it would be funny. 64.73.44.244 (talk) 15:20, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

Tags
Funeral looked at this article and said we can probably get rid of the weasel words and needs references tags, any comments? (And can Joe Schmo users even take those tags off?) I certainly think it can do without them myself. GrimmC (talk) 00:33, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

Expensive music video
The article says that the song is "currently the 13th most expensive music video ever", but it is only number 17 on this list. Should this part of this article be updated, perhaps? Rom maniac (talk) 04:55, 12 July 2009 (UTC)
 * also estranged by guns n roses is more expensive at $4million, which could be mentioned — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.20.201.105 (talk) 21:28, 21 October 2011 (UTC)
 * I fail to see why Estranged should be mentioned. You did notice the article doesn't say it is the 13th most expensive for some years now, didn't you? --Muhandes (talk) 19:46, 22 October 2011 (UTC)

Symphonic rock
This song is not symphonic rock. Please provide a source to confirm this edit. FateForger (talk) 20:58, 4 July 2010 (UTC)


 * This song is definitely a symphonic rock piece. Look at the Deep Purple of the early albums. There are many similarities.
 * ICE77 (talk) 01:09, 26 November 2015 (UTC)


 * The first comment is correct. Symphonic rock is a subgenre of progressive rock. Guns N Roses have never been affiliated to the progressive rock genre. Please check the symphonic rock page which states "Using an orchestra does not make a piece symphonic rock; it must meet the criteria for being progressive rock in addition to the qualities listed for being symphonic." A long song isn't necessarily progressive rock. Nobody in the world of progressive rock considers Guns N Roses part of the genre. Rodericksilly (talk) 01:46, 11 January 2016 (UTC)

Orchestra
Hi - there is no live orchestra in the recorded version of this song. This was played entirely on synphesizers. I know it's hard to believe listening it, but it's true.

Much of the cost and length of recording was actually Axl Rose attempting to create a symphony orchestra via synthesiser. Which he eventually did. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.254.158.4 (talk) 10:03, 20 January 2014 (UTC)

Comments and questions
I have a few comments and questions.

1. The text says "they did not mime for any of the takes".

Who is "they"?

2. "She appears looking visibly troubled during one shot of the wedding and during the funeral sequence, a mirror is visible, covering over half her face, a technique used by funeral homes to allow victims of head trauma to have the appearance of a full face in the event of an open casket funeral."

This sentence needs to be rewritten. The punctuation is not good.

3. Is Izzy Stradlin really playing rhythm guitar in the recording? I see the song was recorded in 1990-1991 but the video has Gilby Clarke and Izzy Stradlin quit the band in 1991.

ICE77 (talk) 01:11, 26 November 2015 (UTC)

Elton John
Why does Rolling Stone refer to this song as the 'Elton John-inspired epic "November Rain"'? In the article Elton John is only mentioned as participating in a live performance of the song. The article also states that Axl Rose commonly plays 'Someone Saved My Life Tonight' by Elton John before playing 'November Rain'. Here is the link to Rolling Stone:

http://www.rollingstone.com/music/pictures/rolling-stone-readers-pick-the-best-ballads-of-all-time-20110512/4-november-rain-0532167

Mark W. Miller (talk) 08:50, 4 February 2017 (UTC)

Writing credits
How do we decide in wikipedia to do writing credits? In Slash's book he talks about his work in writing parts of November Rain. He says that legally the royalties are split 25% Axl, 15% drums, 20% slash, Izzy, Duff on all GNR songs.

--RobertGary1 (talk) 22:09, 20 April 2017 (UTC)

extrapolating the original tabulature
this is probably what Izzy played in a garage in Lafayette in Indiana in 1978


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 * --2-2-2-22-22--0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0||
 * --3--3--3--3--3--3--3--2--00---2-2||
 * o--3--3--3--3--3--3--3--3--3--3--3--3--3--3--3--3o||
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 * o-1---1---3---1-3---5---6---5--o||
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Why the restore?
@Ringerfan23 ChoticoTheGamer (talk) 06:21, 5 November 2023 (UTC)


 * ah sorry I forgot to type out the reasoning. IMO, the photograph doesn't add anything to the article; especially with a picture of Axl on piano right above it. You can re-add it if you disagree, but perhaps put it in a different area as not to clog up the screen to much. The other edit was reverted for including improper sourcing, please see Reliable Sources. RF23 (talk) 06:33, 5 November 2023 (UTC)