Talk:Nukhba (Hamas unit)

armyrecognition.com is not a reliable source
G'day, there are quite a few citations to armyrecognition.com. As indicated here and here, it is not a reliable source. This article cannot be a GA while it has sources of this type. Unless this is rectified shortly (in the next seven days), I will quickfail the GAN after providing some more pointers on possible improvements. Feel free to ask any questions about this on this thread. Cheers, Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 21:45, 29 November 2023 (UTC)
 * ✅ Thanks for pointing this out. Source removed. There was nothing in that source that wasn't widely reported elsewhere. Curb Safe Charmer (talk) 08:05, 30 November 2023 (UTC)
 * No worries. MEMRI is also pretty questionable. See Reliable sources/Perennial sources and search for MEMRI. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 08:15, 30 November 2023 (UTC)
 * there's no doubt that MEMRI is partisan. However the use here is that they've shared on YouTube Hamas' own video about Nukhba from the Izz Al-Din Al-Qassam Brigades' Telegram channel and provided English subtitles translating the voiceover. So in terms of reliability, the only question would be if the translation was accurate. I think it is a valuable source in this regard as there are few places where Hamas itself describes the Nukhba's capabilities, backing up what the Israelis claim. Seems like a reasonable use of the source to me. Curb Safe Charmer (talk) 09:14, 30 November 2023 (UTC)
 * I would expect hard questions about this at GAN, as it is a self-published source and not independent of the subject ie Hamas created the video and this article is about a Hamas unit. Just because Hamas and the IDF agree on a unit's capabilities doesn't mean either of them is right. Hamas may inflate its capability for propaganda purposes, and as we have seen recently, the IDF's intelligence sources are hardly infallible, and if their recent press releases are any measure, they are also prone to use propaganda for their own purposes. I wouldn't pass a source review with it included. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 21:37, 30 November 2023 (UTC)
 * And IDF press releases are hardly "independent of the subject" as WP:RS expects. Surely such things have been covered in legitimate news sources? Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 08:18, 30 November 2023 (UTC)

POV
Clear overreliance on Israeli sources, even Israeli army press releases, all of which I have removed. Makeandtoss (talk) 15:15, 26 December 2023 (UTC)