Talk:Nun komm, der Heiden Heiland/GA1

GA Review
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Reviewer: Vami IV (talk · contribs) 21:08, 30 March 2019 (UTC)

Opening statement
In reviews I conduct, I may make small copyedits. These will only be limited to spelling and punctuation (removal of double spaces and such). I will only make substantive edits that change the flow and structure of the prose if I previously suggested and it is necessary. For replying to Reviewer comment, please use ✅,, , ❌, , or , followed by any comment you'd like to make. I will be crossing out my comments as they are redressed, and only mine. A detailed, section-by-section review will follow. — Vami ♜  _IV♠  20:30, 30 March 2019 (UTC)

I am reviewing this article as the Coordinator of WikiProject Germany. Full disclosure: I would consider myself as being on good terms with the nominator, Gerda Arendt. — Vami ♜  _IV♠  20:30, 30 March 2019 (UTC)

Use of italic text
Per the Manual of Style section on italic type for names and titles. Nun komm, der Heiden Heiland, Veni redemptor gentium, Intende qui reges Israel, Veni Creator Spiritus, Nun freut euch, lieben Christen g'mein, and Orgelbüchlein should have their quotation marks (where applicable) removed and be italicized, as is the case for hymns in the second paragraph of section "History".


 * Thank you for the undertaking, and the copyedits. As far as I know, poems, songs and hymns are in quotation marks, no italics, while books, collections and hymnals are in italics. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:15, 30 March 2019 (UTC)
 * This section of the MoS, "Titles of works", is also relevant. – ♠Vami _IV†♠  22:23, 30 March 2019 (UTC)
 * I think we speak of different things. "Nun komm, der Heiden Heiland" is not a title. A title would be something like "Advent Hymn". "Nun komm ..." is an incipit, and so is "Veni redemptor gentium". In incipits, no title case, no italics. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:29, 30 March 2019 (UTC)
 * What about as foreign-language text (in Latin script)? – ♠Vami _IV†♠  02:51, 31 March 2019 (UTC)
 * The idea of quotation marks and italics is to separate from other text. Quotation marks clearly do that, - no need for Italics on top. Familiar Latin phrases, such as Nunc dimittis, dont even need quotation mark, and are straight. I think that Veni redemptor gentium comes close, but give it quotation marks because it's longer. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:19, 31 March 2019 (UTC)
 * Fair enough. The other items I indicated that should be italicized are now, so I'm going to scratch this section off now. – ♠Vami _IV†♠  08:25, 31 March 2019 (UTC)

History

 * Luther wrote the hymn end of 1723 at the end of 1723?
 * I didn't even notice the date is 200 years in error. Oops! –Vami
 * oops, fixed --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:33, 30 March 2019 (UTC)


 * theology of the church If this is referring to the Roman Catholic Church, then "church" should be capitalized.
 * Well, good question. Very early into Reformation. Suggest to say "traditional" theology, - it's still more a catholic church than a Catholic Church. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:51, 30 March 2019 (UTC)

Melody and musical settings

 * melodies,[7][13] He Edit scar?
 * Good catch, fixed --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:54, 30 March 2019 (UTC)
 * No it isn't. – ♠Vami _IV†♠  02:52, 31 March 2019 (UTC)
 * Sorry, can't see what you mean with the [13]? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:21, 31 March 2019 (UTC)
 * The problem is the "He", which I am to believe refers to Luther. – ♠Vami _IV†♠  08:22, 31 March 2019 (UTC)
 * I don't know what you mean. Luther is (now) the subject of the first sentene, - the second would then refer to him, no? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:45, 31 March 2019 (UTC)
 * Nevermind. I fixed it myself. The "He" was preceeded with a comma, not a period and last I checked, Luther is not a deity. – ♠Vami _IV†♠  05:17, 1 April 2019 (UTC)


 * The third paragraph of this section has no citations.
 * Another good catch. I took the Red Shoes item from this blog, and thought I'd find a better source but didn't. We can drop it, or search harder. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:18, 30 March 2019 (UTC)