Talk:Nurture (album)

Requested move 30 January 2020

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The result of the move request was: page moved. This would have been a move request I would have accepted if it were posted on WP:RMTR due to the obvious WP:PRECISE issue, so oage move and request closed early due to the technical nature of this move. (non-admin closure)  Steel1943  (talk) 00:29, 31 January 2020 (UTC)

Nurture (Porter Robinson album) → Nurture (album) – Name not necessary for further disambiguation if Nurture (album) is available. -- Another Believer ( Talk ) 22:56, 30 January 2020 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page or in a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

Reassessment of article content
It's safe to say the article's at C-class now. I think I'll check it against the B-class criteria later this week. —TechnoSquirrel69 (sigh) 17:20, 8 May 2023 (UTC)
 * It's been a little longer than a week, but I've made some miscellaneous improvements and reassessed the article to B-class. I'd call it a B-minus, as it is very bare-bones in places and could do with some expansion and rewriting for clarity. —TechnoSquirrel69 (sigh) 19:11, 11 June 2023 (UTC)

About the shoegaze situation
@36.90.158.136 and Binksternet: It seems we have a disagreement over whether or not the shoegaze genre should be mentioned in the infobox. The citation which actually is supposed to verify it is this The Fader article ("He flips through sounds and styles — delirious shoegaze..."). Binksternet also noted that it's mentioned in the Pitchfork review ("...blissed-out digital shoegaze (the Totally Enormous Extinct Dinosaurs collaboration 'Unfold')...". So while 'Unfold' is, of course, the best example of a shoegaze-like style on the album, it's not the only one. I interpret the language of both of these sources as making more general comments on the stylistic aspects of the album; both of them acknowledge that the work incorporates stylistic influences from several genres, including shoegaze. I'd love to hear what you two think about this, and hopefully we can come to a consensus on this before making any more reverts. —TechnoSquirrel69 (sigh) 06:08, 4 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Disagree. The album infobox should state the overall genres of the album rather than serve as a grab bag of song genres. Pitchfork says that various songs on the album are informed by various genres, making the album a wide-ranging experience. The Fader says the same thing, that the album shows various influences such as "delirious shoegaze, piano balladry, intricate electronic experimentation" which harken back to the earlier description of the song "Musician" which also includes pop, house, and rave. Other reviews don't mention shoegaze at all. Binksternet (talk) 15:37, 4 December 2023 (UTC)
 * I don't necessarily disagree with you when you say the infobox shouldn't be "a grab bag of song genres", but I want to note that several other genres are mentioned in reliable sources with only about the same strength as shoegaze, the ambient and electropop ones in particular. You can see the citations that verify them in this revision. I don't mean to distract from the topic of this discussion, but if you have an issue with how the genres are mentioned in the sources, we have to apply that standard to all of them. —TechnoSquirrel69 (sigh) 23:34, 4 December 2023 (UTC)
 * (Ping.) —TechnoSquirrel69 (sigh) 19:54, 5 December 2023 (UTC)
 * I agree that the infobox genres should be trimmed so that they accurately summarize the sources talking about the album's overall genre. Binksternet (talk) 20:27, 5 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Right, but the question, of course, is "How?". If we cut out all of the genres that haven't been explicitly called out in the sources to apply to the album as a whole, the list probably dwindles to just one or two items. Again, this isn't something I'm necessarily against, but I'd like to establish some consensus for a change like that. Preferably, I'd want to hear from the anonymous editor as well, since they're also involved in this content dispute, but it seems they're not interested in discussion. —TechnoSquirrel69 (sigh) 20:50, 5 December 2023 (UTC)
 * We can empty the infobox genres if nothing specific is said by multiple sources to be the overall album genre. Of course, we would tell the reader all about the various genres contained in the album's songs, using prose descriptions in the article body. Binksternet (talk) 21:18, 5 December 2023 (UTC)