Talk:Nutritional yeast/Archive 1

Number of species
Beer and wine aren't made with 1,000s of species of yeast--they're made with 100s, maybe thousands, of strains. Big difference. Beer is made with either Saccharomyces cerevisiae or Saccharomyces carlsbergensis (which has another name); the first is ale yeast, the second is lager yeast. Different strains produce greatly varying flavours, but they're just two species.


 * Thanks. 1000's seemed kind of high to me too.  In the "yeast" article only one species was mentioned.

When developed?
When was this stuff first developed? Badagnani 07:39, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

Vegans
Okay, the stuff about vegans having forgotten what dairy products taste like is silly, somebody fix this please. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.130.135.221 (talk) 23:59, 17 November 2007 (UTC)

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Glutamate
Need to add the free and protein glutamate counts for nutritional yeast (including the popular Red Star brand). Badagnani (talk) 18:05, 2 October 2008 (UTC)

Good idea! Petrelharp (talk) 18:06, 21 October 2009 (UTC)

Alabama?
I removed the statement "In Alabama, this substance is illegal.", since it's not cited and I can't find any other reference to this. If it's true, please put it back with a citation. Petrelharp (talk) 18:06, 21 October 2009 (UTC)

"nutch"
Is that pronounced "nooch"? 'Cause it's spelled like "hutch". —63.249.110.34 (talk) 18:16, 20 March 2010 (UTC)

"Lesbian Doritos"?
I see only four references on Google to "Lesbian Doritos" and one of them is Wikipedia; Im inclined to believe a citation is needed here, and probably outright deletion. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.242.1.197 (talk) 22:54, 9 January 2011 (UTC)

agreed. the whole article should be returned to the version prior to the most recent edit.


 * Surely "Lesbian Doritos" deserves its own Wiki page. Of course it'll be troll magnet.... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.117.8.178 (talk) 14:38, 8 July 2016 (UTC)

brewers yeast
The opening line of the article reads, "Nutritional yeast, like brewer's yeast, is a deactivated yeast..." I brew my own beer. Brewers yeast is only deactivated after beer is pasteurized. Even then not all beer is pasteurized. If you pitch inactive yeast into your unfermented beer it simply won't ferment. Brewers yeast is not deactivated. I'm deleting the clause "like brewers yeast." If you think this is wrong, change or amend the statement to make it clear.

I considered changing the wording of the opening sentence to specifically refer to deactivated brewer's yeast. However I could not find a wording that was both concise enough to be worthy of space in the opening paragraph and also contributed valuable information. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Marcusyoder (talk • contribs) 02:24, 9 July 2011 (UTC)
 * I am not sure that "brewer's yeast" is the same as "yeast that beer brewers use". I think brewer's yeast might be an older name for nutritional yeast, but I am not sure. Right now brewer's yeast does not redirect to this article. I am not sure if these two are the same but I think they might be. I cannot find sources but at least some sources describe these as the same.  Blue Rasberry   (talk)  21:19, 30 December 2015 (UTC)


 * I'm sure whoever wrote "...like brewer's yeast" meant to write "...unlike." In fact, I would change that sentence to "Nutritional yeast, unlike the yeasts used by brewers and bakers, is inactive." 209.117.8.178 (talk) 16:02, 12 February 2016 (UTC)HelenChicago

He probably meant what he said the first time. In context, the reference is to deactivated Brewer's Yeast, packaged and sold similarly to nutritional yeast, used to fortify the diet of Vegans etc... The two products will be next to each other on the shelf at the market (or in the same search on Amazon). Even though the two are the same species (usually), Brewer's Yeast (as opposed to Nutritional Yeast) is normally found unflavoured and unfortified, its taste is bitter, it's not used as a condiment but as an additive, or an outright supplement. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Drsruli (talk • contribs) 08:07, 7 July 2020 (UTC)

Iron
Re this edit: It really doesn't make any sense for unfortified yeast to have more iron than yeast that has been fortified with iron.

The sourced text says, "Both fortified and unfortified nutritional yeast contains iron, but the unfortified type offers 20 percent of the recommended daily allowance, or RDA, while the fortified type provides just 5 percent."

The source cited says, "Both fortified and unfortified nutritional yeast contains iron, but the unfortified type offers 20 percent of the recommended daily allowance, or RDA, while the fortified type provides just 5 percent."

The problem here is not the seeming contradiction -- which I'll get back to -- it's the copyright violation. This needs to be re-worded.

As for the seeming contradiction, the editor apparently feels the text is saying that fortifying the yeast removes iron and that this doesn't make sense. Maybe, maybe not. The reliable source does say that fortified yeast provides less iron. Several possibilities: The source may be wrong (we'll need a better source correcting this if you believe this is the case). The act of fortification may somehow remove iron. Fortification may make the iron less bio-available (i.e. just as much iron, less of it can be absorbed by the body). Fortification may displace the iron (2 tablespoons of fortified nutritional yeast is less than 2 tablespoons of yeast plus whatever is added (for a total of 2 tablespoons)). A serving of nutritional yeast is ~ 16 g. 720% of the daily value for riboflavin is roughly 1 g. If we fortify nutritional yeast with just the riboflavin, we would have 15 g of yeast and 1 g of riboflavin.

I do not know that any of these, alone or combined, answer the concern. The point is, the source seems to be reliable and I have no reason to believe it's "wrong". - Sum mer PhD  (talk) 03:20, 6 September 2012 (UTC)

The link under the external links at the bottom that is labeled "Nutritional yeast description" is spam
The link is an advertisement for a particular brand, and should be removed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.5.222.55 (talk) 21:55, 30 December 2013 (UTC)

Arbitrary units.
In Nutrition, "two tablespoons provides 60 calories..." What is two tablespoons in some sort of standard, preferably SI, units. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:C7D:11B2:A800:E9A1:A611:2208:CF12 (talk) 10:41, 19 March 2017 (UTC)

2 tablespoons == 30 ml More or less... Though by weight would be better. 24.212.128.6 (talk) 01:58, 8 March 2018 (UTC)

Hippie dust
I'm not particularly attached to the term, but it appears to be well-known. More importantly, it shouldn't be removed because it allegedly isn't used for yeast (it clearly is), and certainly not through edit-warring. If there are reasonable objections, let's discuss them. Martijn Meijering (talk) 21:40, 29 April 2017 (UTC)


 * I also think it should be removed unless citation is added showing the term's use in hippie communities. My objection is, usage of the term can easily be viewed as suggestively disparaging of hippies and of the yeast itself. My first encounter with the term was in this wp article and I read it as suggesting that it's rubbish (dust isn't food) that mostly "hippies" (them, not us) eat. Urban Dictionary was the top DDG search result I got. The term seems like fringe slang (at best), or a derogatory jab (at worst), rather than a positive contribution to the article. The point is, [@Mmeijeri: I'm not suggesting you're bad; I expect you'll consider my argument fairly] we don't typically use slang terms made up from an identifiable sub-group's name -- examples "Redneck Bouquet", "Arab Repellent", "Hip-hop Sauce" -- one of Life's rules, as I got it, is people in a group don't normally slangify terms using their own group name; however people outside the group mostly do it with negative connotation, even when it's just teasing. Also, I just made up those examples for this reply so if any of them already exist it's purely coincidental.


 * I would never go to my local health food retailers and kindly ask for "hippie dust". Would you ?


 * FYI, my recent purchase of this yeast brought me here; and the apparent insulting slant of the term sparked this Talk Page edit. I offer my apology in advance, in case my tone is off or I'm doing this the wrong way; I'm a long time wiki reader, barely educated in the ways of wiki edit, and far from being a hippie/vegan/vegetarian affiliate. [Disclosure: I did buy frozen veggie patties >10yrs ago and, I have some Grateful Dead on CD and d/l from archive.org]206.47.112.97 (talk) 02:31, 10 August 2018 (UTC)

If you wanted "Hippy Dust" brand nutritional yeast, then you would have to. Currently, there is a brand of Hippy-Pop popcorn, so named for featuring nutritional yeast, and they do use the expression "hippy dust" on their label, and in their literature. https://www.hippypop.com/ "sprinkle with magical hippy dust (aka nutritional yeast)". Drsruli (talk) 09:59, 1 August 2020 (UTC)

Nutritional Yeast and the hazardous air pollutant Acetaldehyde
In the article it says: 'Acetaldehyde is the hazardous air pollutant emitted in the largest quantities from the manufacturing of nutritional yeast.[6]' What does that have to mean? Does Nutritional Yeast contain Acetaldehyde and so is toxic? Or does that have to mean, that in the process of producing nutritional yeast also Acetaldehyde is produced - aside of nutritional yeast? And if it's a by-product of the production of nutritional yeast, is that only in form of a gas, or also a liquid? If the later is the case, can the liquid get into the nutritional yeast, so that nutritional yeast, in the end, indeed, contains Acetaldehyde? Or does this information have to mean, that while manufacturing of nutritional yeast, a couple of substances are produced as a by-product, and of all of those substances, the substance 'Acetaldehyde' is produced the most, which does not have to mean, that as such, the amount of 'Acetaldehyde' produced during manufacturing of nutritional yeast, makes commercial production of nutritional yeast an ecological worthmentioning problem? Is the Acetaldehyde emitted in the course of nutritional yeast production just blown out in the sky, or is it catched and collected for giving/selling it to chemical industry, as an important, needed component for chemical industry? Is nutritional yeast unecological because of the amount of hazardous air pollutant Acetaldehyde emmitted from the manufacturing of nutritional yeast? You see, the cited information dropped by the way raises a lot of questions. The cited information needs clarification and more information regarding the mentioned questions it raises. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 178.201.144.69 (talk) 11:07, 8 May 2018 (UTC)

Nutritional Yeast vs. Quinoa extract vs Ordinary food as a source of Vitamin Bs?
https://www.b12-vitamin.com/b-complex/

"B Complex from Yeast and Quinoa A larger number of supplements use quinoa or yeast cultures, which are bred with a nutrient culture of (mostly synthetic) B vitamins. The quinoa/yeast absorbs these vitamins and can then be harvested and marketed as a natural source of B vitamins, yet whether this method is really comparable to natural sources of B vitamins is debatable".

No scientific references are given so this can't be used in Wikipedia, but can you find better references?

--ee1518 (talk) 11:46, 24 October 2019 (UTC)