Talk:Nutritionist/Archive 1

State of article
This article currently seems to be more or less entirely an argument that the label "nutritionist" is not trustworthy. I don't really have any opinion on whether or not that may be true, it is not clear to me that this is the defining element of a nutritionist, and this argument is pretty much entirely unrefernced. Shouldn't we de-emphasise the qualifications and lack thereof discussion here, attribute it to someone or other, and expand the article to discuss other aspects of the subject? Jkelly 23:21, 26 October 2006 (UTC)


 * I've attempted to clean this up a little. Jkelly 20:44, 27 October 2006 (UTC)


 * I agree with your assessment. Also, I know that in the US, many colleges offer a bachelor's degree major in Nutrition, so perhaps this article is representative of UK more than any other area. --SidP 21:33, 30 November 2006 (UTC)


 * Would the colleges SidP is referring to include the one3 where Gillian McKeith got her 'PhD|'? Wilmot1 13:22, 9 March 2007 (UTC)


 * I think it is also relevant to keep in mind that while many schools offer bachelor's degree majors in Nutrition, they are often through the Home Economics departments, etc, and that it is a widely held opinion amongst scientific professionals (PhD, Masters) that these schools and their programs do not present study of sufficient scientific rigor to meet muster and that many of their "theories" do not remotely approach scientific consensus. I do agree, however, that if such opinions are to be expressed in the article sufficient documentation is necessary--otherwise it is simply original research in wiki terms.71.51.50.120 (talk) 02:10, 26 November 2009 (UTC)

CNLEM in Berkshire UK run degree courses in nutrition. This article is misinformed and misleading, whoever proffered it as fact doesn't seem to know very much about the subject, what else does Wikipedia make up as it goes along?


 * As I've stated elsewhere, there is a consensus amongst many scientific professionals (PhDs and Masters) who argue that many schools who offer degrees in nutrition do so in bad faith--It's not a question of whether schools offer degrees in the subject, but whether those degrees are worth anything. Many schools become accredited without offering substantive programs (diploma mills).  However, as I also said elsewhere, proper citation should be offered in the article's references if such arguments are to be included.   —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.51.50.120 (talk) 02:14, 26 November 2009 (UTC)

I think the article isn't too bad. It might be worth saying that the Nutrition Society, based in Hammersmith, England is pressing for the sort of registration of nutritionists that currently exists for dietitians, or providing a link for it. The URL is www.nutritionsociety.org. 82.69.28.55 18:53, 11 April 2007 (UTC)


 * That's CNELM and the course is "Nutritional Therapy"GraemeLeggett 14:48, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

This article is terrible. If you do not know how to write an article, there are many administrators and templates on Wiki that can certainly help. This is certainly not up to par, in regards to grammar, organization or sourcing. Once my test is over tomorrow, I will see what I can do. WiiAlbanyGirl 17:24, 19 July 2007 (UTC)


 * I am a nutrition graduate from a university in Canada. It was not until the second year of university that both myself, and many fellow classmates realized that this undergrad alone would probably not lead to a respectable job in the field. The university was not trying to lead us on per se, but the general population does not know the difference between a nutritionist or a dietitian and perhaps the University should have informed us earlier. The Dietetic internship that is required is very competitive (only offered by recognized institutions, mainly hospitals). Without this, you are basically left with a bachelor degree that will get you a job with some fad diet company or a fitness centre....not exactly what I had in mind.--SADeGroot (talk) 16:04, 22 September 2011 (UTC)


 * Please try to stay on topic here. Note that Wikipedia discussion pages are not a forum for general discussion about the subject at hand (or anything else, for that matter), but are for discussion specifically about the article (please see Talk page guidelines for more information.)Jimjamjak (talk) 08:56, 23 September 2011 (UTC)

started tidy up
I've removed some duplicate info, and made some of the sentences shorter. I'll be looking for references and adding those. I will not be removing anything that says "nutritionists do not need any qualifications" because that's true (at least for the UK) - anyone can set themselves up in business as a nutritionist without any qualifications or registrations. Dan Beale 22:33, 2 June 2007 (UTC)

Some possible sources
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/708376.stm [begin quote] Anyone can set themselves up as a nutritional therapist, also known as diet therapists, nutrition counsellors or nutritionists, and they are often confused with state-registered dieticians who are fully trained and regulated. [end quote]

http://www.bda.uk.com/Downloads/NutritionForumReport.pdf

These are both reputable. I'm not sure about NPOV, but they're better than the article as it is now. Dan Beale 00:00, 10 June 2007 (UTC)

Reorganised article
I've reorganised the article and made some sub categories which are by no means complete. Another issue which has not been written about is the difference between dietitians and nutritionists which could be clarified. --Dawesaudax 22:15, 19 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Excellent point! Interestingly enough, my oxford health insurance covers dietitians, but does not specify coverage for nutritionists. Very good point, if you need any help on this, feel free to message me. Best of luck WiiAlbanyGirl 22:01, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

"Preventive nutrition"
What exactly does "preventive nutrition" mean? It doesn't seem to make sense to me. Anyone willing to make an explanation?155.198.40.202 (talk) 13:22, 18 August 2009 (UTC) (Sorry, previous comment should have been signed by me Jimjamjak (talk) 13:23, 18 August 2009 (UTC))

Cleaning up some more
The article still seems biased against the title "nutritionist", as per the original comments on this page. I have cleaned it up some more, with new (objective) references, some clarification of the differences against "dietitian", and brief discussion of the role of nutritionists in health care today. I hope others have more country examples to offer. The previous version seemed very slanted towards the American view of dietitians.Guptan99 (talk) 19:53, 11 March 2011 (UTC)

Questionable sentence
"Regardless of the regulatory environment, some nutritionists have advanced academic and research qualifications (e.g. Ph.D. in Nutrition Science and published research in the American Journal of Clinical Nutrition)." I don't follow the need for this statement. It wouldn't be included on any article about other professions. I can quite easily imagine that some nutritinists have advanced degrees in various subjects, but it's not worthy of note. I am deleting this sentence.Jimjamjak (talk) 10:21, 23 September 2011 (UTC)

Membership of Nutrition Society
According to the article: the Nutrition Society "consider[s] an undergraduate training [10] sufficient for associate membership." The reference doesn't lead me to any article or page explaining membership. I cannot find more details on their page related to associate membership. I would suggest that someone who knows more about this society find the correct link and add this. If not, the sentence should probably be removed, since it is not sufficiently informative at the moment (which undergraduate "training", for example, is considered relevant?).Jimjamjak (talk) 10:26, 23 September 2011 (UTC)

Poorly Attributed Verbatim Copied Material
The three large sections under "Australia" have been copied verbatim from the following source:

http://www.nutritionaustralia.org/national/resource/nutritionist-or-dietitian

Currently the only attribution is the reference link at the end of the third section. The reference link does not describe the source either.

Such a large copy and paste effort with poor attribution is arguably plagiarism. It also may constitute copyright infringement. 114.129.173.106 (talk) 10:19, 19 November 2013 (UTC)

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